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post #271 of 298 Old 09-30-2017, 04:00 AM - Thread Starter
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Looks like a great setup! I'm curious how you were able to get 9.1.6 going using 4 AVRs. I understand if this is matrixed, but if not, then how is the DSP being handled? For instance how can the Wides be turned on and one system knows what to do with it while the other system is able to account for whatever the wides would be doing? I would think it all has to be "orchestrated", no? Also why does it take 4 AVPs instead of 2?
Thanks, I do enjoy this setup greatly.

The trick is to use two Atmos AVRs to do the main work. It turns out the Atmos renderer isn't very clever at all, it is a clear split between the base layer and the height layer. It doesn't matter if you have 2 or 4 heights, the same amount of audio is extracted from the base layer and the heights are rendered to any and all speakers available.

As a result I set the base layer AVR1 to run 9.1.2, and leave the two heights unused.
The height layer AVR2 is set to 5.1.4 and I leave the 5.1 unused.

AVR1 will render everything to the 11 speakers it knows of and anything that is destined for the heights are sent to the ether and no height information is left in the base 9 speakers thanks to the Atmos processing.
AVR2 will also render everything to the 9 speakers it knows of and anything that is destined for the base layer is sent to the ether while the 4 heights it knows of will render as intended.
Mix the two together and you have 9.1.4 with no overlapping. The second set of AVRs are simply doing Dobly ProLogic II Movie upmixing of the 4 heights to turn them into 6 discreet speakers.
Due to the PLII upmixing I can't run any room correction on AVR2 as that will break the center extraction well and proper.

As a result of the above I can play the 9.1.6 test tones and everything is rendered where it is supposed to be with 0 bleeding. Now DTS:X is a different matter as it is trying to do phantoming between the base and height layer. To minimise this impact without having to upgrade AVR2 to an 11channel model I simply set the height on AVR1 to TM and on AVR2 I set the heights to TF an TR instead of FH and RH.

The reason I don't use the TM from AVR1 is simple, those two speakers will play all sounds destined for the heigths duplicating any sound that AVR2 would send either to the TF or TR. This is why the PLII AVRs are needed.

I have a wall of text how everything is connected/set up in post 5 in this thread.

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So Black Friday happened, as a result the 60" Kuro that has served me since 2009 will soon be replaced by a Panasonic 65" OLED (TX-65EZ952B).

It should be on the wall by mid December.
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So Black Friday happened, as a result the 60" Kuro that has served me since 2009 will soon be replaced by a Panasonic 65" OLED (TX-65EZ952B).

It should be on the wall by mid December.
Awesome. Congrats!

While many people chase larger sizes of front projection, I went 65" OLED instead (after several auditions). To me, panels are the only way to truly experience HDR within a reasonable budget.
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Awesome. Congrats!

While many people chase larger sizes of front projection, I went 65" OLED instead (after several auditions). To me, panels are the only way to truly experience HDR within a reasonable budget.
Thanks, which OLED do you have?

This should tidy us over nicely until SONY CLEDIS or equivalent is affordable in the future.

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Thanks, which OLED do you have?

This should tidy us over nicely until SONY CLEDIS or equivalent is affordable in the future.
LG OLED65E6P

I am a 3D fan so my only option for a larger size is a 77E6P (~$9k USD) or front projection.

I plan to install a tab-tensioned screen to drop down over the OLED. I am just waiting for a JVC or Sony laser for under $5k.
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The new Panasonic TX-65EZ952B has finally been put up on the wall. The old Pioneer found a new home via ebay.

With this OLED upgrade it means the Tower Cinema is finally 4k/UHD capable. Speaking of which, the trick to get the HDCP 2.2 chain to work is to connect the outputs from both the Atmos AVRs to the HDCP 2.2 capable inputs on the TV, that way things won't be downgraded to HDMI 1.3.

The first film I watched was Passengers followed by Pacific Rim. The picture produced by this screen is spectacular and has to be experienced in person.







Whoever is saying OLED HDR is dim has never wached an OLED in complete darkness. When HDR is enabled the subtitles are almost too bright to read.
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The new Panasonic TX-65EZ952B has finally been put up on the wall. The old Pioneer found a new home via ebay.

With this OLED upgrade it means the Tower Cinema is finally 4k/UHD capable. Speaking of which, the trick to get the HDCP 2.2 chain to work is to connect the outputs from both the Atmos AVRs to the HDCP 2.2 capable inputs on the TV, that way things won't be downgraded to HDMI 1.3.

The first film I watched was Passengers followed by Pacific Rim. The picture produced by this screen is spectacular and has to be experienced in person.







Whoever is saying OLED HDR is dim has never wached an OLED in complete darkness. When HDR is enabled the subtitles are almost too bright to read.
Congrats on the new 4K setup it [email protected]@ks AWESOME. Brings mucho enjoyment to experiencing movies. Enjoy your new setup.

Was wondering where you got the big feet under your AVR?.

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Whoever is saying OLED HDR is dim has never wached an OLED in complete darkness. When HDR is enabled the subtitles are almost too bright to read.
Those people watch on paper! Well… PDFs & forums nowadays.
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The new Panasonic TX-65EZ952B has finally been put up on the wall. The old Pioneer found a new home via ebay.

With this OLED upgrade it means the Tower Cinema is finally 4k/UHD capable. Speaking of which, the trick to get the HDCP 2.2 chain to work is to connect the outputs from both the Atmos AVRs to the HDCP 2.2 capable inputs on the TV, that way things won't be downgraded to HDMI 1.3.

The first film I watched was Passengers followed by Pacific Rim. The picture produced by this screen is spectacular and has to be experienced in person.







Whoever is saying OLED HDR is dim has never wached an OLED in complete darkness. When HDR is enabled the subtitles are almost too bright to read.
Nice Should make watching UHD’s with Atmos tracks a real joy now,

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Congrats on the new 4K setup it [email protected]@ks AWESOME. Brings mucho enjoyment to experiencing movies. Enjoy your new setup.

Was wondering where you got the big feet under your AVR?.

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Thank you, the picture is very pleasing.

Thefeet are some candle holders made out of quartz.

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Thanks, it certainly does.

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Very nice new set, and entire setup! How do 5.1 soundtracks sound upscaled to play Atmos?

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Very nice new set, and entire setup! How do 5.1 soundtracks sound upscaled to play Atmos?
For upmixing you can either use the Dolby Surround Upmixer or Neural:X, I prefer Neural:X since it will use the wides. 5.1 upmixes works really well, some ambient sounds are steared to the height and the front stage is expanded to the wides. I have yet to hear a major Upmixer artifact.

I do however prefer native Atmos as it is fully discreet, but everything to date has sounded good. Even some stereo music videos from YouTube sounds great.
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Any progress on BAD ARC panels?

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I'm planning on putting up GOM equivalent fabric frames covering all the wadding around the soffit. There will also be a LED light strip integrated into the wooden edging.

As for treatments, this is just the start. I was simply curious what this one change would do. I'm not going to do any more wall/ceiling treatments until the room is operational. I will probably go down the route of DIY versions of the BAD ARC panels.

Looking to see if you are still moving forward with this part of your build or not. I am considering BAD ARC panels as well, but want to get a feel if you replicated GIK's solution, based on their patent, or if you are going to be going full different set of primes.

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Looking to see if you are still moving forward with this part of your build or not. I am considering BAD ARC panels as well, but want to get a feel if you replicated GIK's solution, based on their patent, or if you are going to be going full different set of primes.
I have not progressed any further work in the HT. When I have a free moment between studies it is normally used to enjoy the picture and sound. I will hopefully have some spare time in early 2019 to apply the final touches, including finish the cladding of last step to enter the room.

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Unscheduled update time.

I had some spare time over the past weekend so I decided to finish off one major thing with this room, the entrance to it.

So up until a few days ago this was the view greeting anyone entering the room:




This was the only area in the entire house left bare after removing all carpets a few years ago. I finished cladding the two flights of stairs prior to starting this project, however this last step was left out at the time.

Well this had to be sorted out, so lets get the cladding collecting dust put to use:




The above curved piece with support took an entire day to cut and fit. Knowing that cutting it wrong would result in ordering a new £130 replacement didn't speed things up.




Another day of slowly cutting away and the thread could be fitted as well.

This is it for now, a threshold will be added at some stage to finish it off.
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Unscheduled update time.

I had some spare time over the past weekend so I decided to finish off one major thing with this room, the entrance to it.

So up until a few days ago this was the view greeting anyone entering the room:



This was the only area in the entire house left bare after removing all carpets a few years ago. I finished cladding the two flights of stairs prior to starting this project, however this last step was left out at the time.

Well this had to be sorted out, so lets get the cladding collecting dust put to use:




The above curved piece with support took an entire day to cut and fit. Knowing that cutting it wrong would result in ordering a new £130 replacement didn't speed things up.




Another day of slowly cutting away and the thread could be fitted as well.

This is it for now, a threshold will be added at some stage to finish it off.
That looks great (Nathan Funkish)! I have 27 steps I'd like you to do for me.
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That looks great (Nathan Funkish)! I have 27 steps I'd like you to do for me.
I did a small worklog over the staircase work, and with the amount of work required I will happily do your 27 steps in exchange for say an Altitude16.

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Sweet room and setup!

Have a few questions for you...

1. Do you experience any "hot-spotting" with the side and back surround speakers that close to you?

2. My room is 12 ft long x 11 ft wide x 9.5 ft high and I want to to a 9.1.6 setup. I'm planning on using the JBL 708i for all positions (all floor speakers + all ceiling speakers). The 708i is a little larger than your front wide speakers. Would you say that many 708i speakers in my small room would *look* overwhelming? I am not that concerned about form as much as I am about function but thought I would ask anyway.

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Sweet room and setup!
Thanks, this room has served us well for nearly two years now and it brings a smile to my face every time I use it. I still have to finish off the remaining treatments but that will be done once time permits (I'm sure 2019 will be the year)...
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1. Do you experience any "hot-spotting" with the side and back surround speakers that close to you?
It was a little bit of hot spotting from the wides as they are at ear height but once I pointed them towards the far end seat that went away. The sides and rears are not a problem since they are about a foot above ear height. This was intentional and the reason I got all the speakers mounted in a 7 degree sloping plane.


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2. My room is 12 ft long x 11 ft wide x 9.5 ft high and I want to to a 9.1.6 setup. I'm planning on using the JBL 708i for all positions (all floor speakers + all ceiling speakers). The 708i is a little larger than your front wide speakers. Would you say that many 708i speakers in my small room would *look* overwhelming? I am not that concerned about form as much as I am about function but thought I would ask anyway.

Dimensions of the 708i:

They should be fine as long as you don't try to cram in a 3-4 seater sofa there. Just make sure nothing is pointing straight into anyones ear and you are set.

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The room is still looking good! I finally finished my dedicated HT - my thread with pictures is in my signature. I was able to do a 7.1.4 setup with a 100" screen!

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The room is still looking good! I finally finished my dedicated HT - my thread with pictures is in my signature. I was able to do a 7.1.4 setup with a 100" screen!
Nice one, when are you adding more speakers?

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How far do you sit from your 65" TV? Do you find it immersive enough?
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Back again with another question.

How far do you sit from your 65" TV? Do you find it immersive enough?
No problems, I sit around 7ft from the screen and yes it is very immersive. Sure I wouldn't mind an 88" OLED but until they can be rolled up for transport I wouldn't be able to get one up the stairs even if I could afford one.

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No problems, I sit around 7ft from the screen and yes it is very immersive. Sure I wouldn't mind an 88" OLED but until they can be rolled up for transport I wouldn't be able to get one up the stairs even if I could afford one.
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For a 7 ft viewing distance, would you prefer a 77" OLED TV or a 85" LCD TV?
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Thanks.

For a 7 ft viewing distance, would you prefer a 77" OLED TV or a 85" LCD TV?
OLED all the way, LCD's are way too much of a downgrade in picture quality. Watching OLED in a pitch dark room has to be experienced.

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