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Quite possibly the most impressive HT system I've seen online, ever.

Wow, thanks! (and from The Rock too)!
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This is so amazing - I don't even dream this big! Well done.
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"Thanks for taking the time to share your build. I see that you have most of your movie library on Kaleidoscope servers, but as an industry insider, do you have the capability and access to 4k DCP content?"

Actually I don't sadly. I'm retired now, so I'm not in that loop anymore. And even I were still working, I'm not sure I'd have access anyway. As a DP, one is still considered 'below the line.'

"Have you found any of the studio screening rooms to have comparable technical signatures to what you have achieved at home?"

It's been awhile since I've made the screening room circuit but I have to say, not really. Panavision had (still has?) a very nice room. When we had premieres of films I shot (like the main theater on the Paramount lot), I was pretty happy with the projection. But even at Paramount when we showed "The Score" (using a print off the original negative), I sat in the balcony close to the projection room. Sure enough when they changed over the first reel to the 2nd reel, the 2nd projector was slightly out of focus. So I ran up the stairs, and asked him if I could focus the pj myself. He was cool about it (& I had warned him I might do that beforehand anyway). Anyway, I don't have to do that anymore.

"Amongst your professional circle, have you seen other home theaters that have inspired you? What's the general trend in overall quality, based on theme, audio soundfield and video presentation?"

Well, as I've mentioned before, 8 years ago, I traveled around the country to see various home theaters, like Art's, thebland's and Ash Sharma's. I was looking at room design, screen size, audio quality, etc. These guys had really done their homework - I learned an enormous amount from visiting their beautiful theaters!

"Have you had a chance to sample some concert Blu-rays in the theater? What's your impression? How about SACD releases of some of your favorite artists, does it engage you or do you prefer the 2 channel originals instead?"

I looked at Peter Gabriel's concert film which sounded awesome (but looked just ok) but haven't had the time yet to check out more concert films. I can't wait though... The sound is entirely engaging, but my experiences with them are, as of yet, limited. We just finished the theater, so I have a lot of catching up to do.

"You mentioned that you also created a 2 channel audio room. What media do you prefer, vinyl, CD, or high bitrate downloads? What are your favorite music genres?"

It's funny - I've been without 2-channel for so long (because of the construction time), high bitrate downloads have matured greatly since we started all of this. I have a large vinyl collection and all CDs will eventually be on a server. The 2-channel room is still a work in progress. The room is finished, but I have yet to activate all the media.

Thanks for all your thoughtful questions!

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So so cool! i can't even describe what i feel when i look at these pictures. In person it has to be mind-blowing. no way it can't be.

the lighting behind the side wall speakers is what has got my attention. so unique. did you have to use special material for the side black panels? is it the same as the front screen side materials? can i ask what kind of material u used?

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Thanks! The side black panels just had to be acoustically transparent and also non reflective, so that was a little tricky! The front black material is mostly velux except where we needed acoustic treatment. I can't remember off the top of my head what the fabric is called (I'm traveling now)... We had so many choices to make, frankly my head is swimming with details - some of which I can't remember. It's weird, but you get so involved in the minutiae for years, that when it's over, exhaustion takes over and you kind of do a brain drain!

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Rob,

Thanks for your responses. It's clear to me now that you've timed this remodel carefully so as to coincide with your leisure schedule. Bravo.

I know my humble theater has brought our family sixteen years of enjoyment and it's never gotten old.

Enjoy!

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Not bad....I would have done a few things different.
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I knew I recognized your name from somewhere... pretty solid filmography... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0353963/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Amazing space you have built there. I have some similar design aspects in mind but from a much smaller space (8 seats total).

My buddy's shop sells the JBL speakers you used and I have to say that they are very impressive in his listening rooms...I can only imagine how great they are in a space designed with them in mind.

Now, if you don't mind, I am going to go spend some alone time with the pictures of your equipment racks and projection room.
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After multiple times looking at your theater, I have decided to Rob A Bank!!

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's funny - I've been without 2-channel for some long (because of the construction time), high bitrate downloads have matured greatly since we started all of this. I have a large vinyl collection and all CDs will eventually be on a server.


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If I read that right, you'll put CD's on a server, but you're not going to digitize the vinyl. I'd concur with that.

Magnificent theater!

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I knew I recognized your name from somewhere... pretty solid filmography... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0353963/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

Amazing space you have built there. I have some similar design aspects in mind but from a much smaller space (8 seats total).

My buddy's shop sells the JBL speakers you used and I have to say that they are very impressive in his listening rooms...I can only imagine how great they are in a space designed with them in mind.

Now, if you don't mind, I am going to go spend some alone time with the pictures of your equipment racks and projection room.
It's weird that they show the films I've shot as Director of Photography at the very end of the list. You have to scroll all the way down and open the tab… Oh well - I haven't shot too many films anyway. :-)

Yeah, I've been so pleasantly surprised and pleased with the JBLs. Keith designed the room to complement those drivers, yet the acoustic treatments are flexible enough in case I ever change speakers.

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Quite possibly the most impressive HT system I've seen online, ever.

Amen...
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More pictures - it's subwoofer time! 1st three pics show 12 of the 14 24" UberSubs. 2 more Ubersubs go underneath each center seat in Rows 2 &3. The 12 you see here are installed behind the screen. 8 additional custom JL subs are spread along the sides & rear of the theater…

These subs measure response to 5Hz, and at 5Hz, tested <3% THD at 116 db, with <2" peak to peak excursion (out of 3.5" available) - meaning the drivers stay in their sweet spot, calm & collected, because at <3% THD and half their rated excursion specs, they're far more linear than what a big, expensive audiophile subwoofer can manage at modest SPLs even an octave or two higher in frequency. (These Ubers at 20Hz, also measure <3% THD, but at 132 db!)...

Last pic shows the custom housing for the subs...







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Absolutely, bloody sensational! Many congratulations on the build and thank you kindly for sharing

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These subs measure response to 5Hz, and at 5Hz, tested <3% THD at 116 db, with <2" peak to peak excursion (out of 3.5" available) - meaning the drivers stay in their sweet spot, calm & collected, because at <3% THD and half their rated excursion specs, they're far more linear than what a big, expensive audiophile subwoofer can manage at modest SPLs even an octave or two higher in frequency. (These Ubers at 20Hz, also measure <3% THD, but at 132 db!)...
At least have the common decency to flag this pornography as NSFW!!!

Thank you very much for giving us all a glimpse of how high end done right looks like from start to finish and the challenges in between, which I am sure there were many. Glad to hear your investment is already paying off with quality friends and family time. Congratulations to you and KYDG!!
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Wow! I can't even find words. Congratulations on the epic project. Thanks for sharing it and keep those pics coming! This is a theater I would actually get on a plane to experience. If I did my math correctly my home theater would fit in yours 12 times. I can't imagine the experience in your room! Awesome!
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Wow! I can't even find words. Congratulations on the epic project. Thanks for sharing it and keep those pics coming! This is a theater I would actually get on a plane to experience.

I did get on a plane and, yes, I needed a thesaurus to do my post about the experience(didn't help). Pretty much there aren't words (at least in my native language) .Reminded me of when I toured Kennedy Space center in 1967 and saw inside and out of the VAB, launch complex 39 and a Saturn V under construction for project Apollo.


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One more thing which I think anyone in this thread can appreciate: This isn't one of those theaters that was built as simply one more toy for a man who can afford any toy he wants. Instead it is a dream come true for Rob ,a labor of love. I've seen theaters in books and on the internet where they are impressive yet the owner has no idea what he has. Rob is a down to earth guy who simply has the means to put together his dream. All the more reason to respect what he has achieved.


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Holy mother of subwoofers.

Can't imagine the quality of bass in the room.

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One more thing which I think anyone in this thread can appreciate: This isn't one of those theaters that was built as simply one more toy for a man who can afford any toy he wants. Instead it is a dream come true for Rob ,a labor of love. I've seen theaters in books and on the internet where they are impressive yet the owner has no idea what he has. Rob is a down to earth guy who simply has the means to put together his dream. All the more reason to respect what he has achieved.


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I did appreciate that. Him being in the movie making line of work, and having a room he can showcase his work in to the proper level after what goes into creating the movie must be so gratifying. If that's even the word. Hard to know. And then the room is a work of art as well!

I live in Michigan, and a few movies have been filmed here in the past. I do commercial glass work, so my company was hired for the Batman vs Superman set stuff. It was so cool seeing my work on the big screen. I did the glass in Bruce Wane's manor next to the lake. It was so cool. Nothing compared to cinematography, but I was proud of it. Just another $0.02 comment.
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Rob,
HVAC is a critical factor in rooms - in your case the capacity (because the room and projection room combined is a huge volume) and keeping it quiet would need a lot of planning.
What size of AC unit are you using? and what steps were taken to manage the HVAC noise floor?
Thanks in advance.
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I did appreciate that. Him being in the movie making line of work, and having a room he can showcase his work in to the proper level after what goes into creating the movie must be so gratifying. If that's even the word. Hard to know. And then the room is a work of art as well!

I live in Michigan, and a few movies have been filmed here in the past. I do commercial glass work, so my company was hired for the Batman vs Superman set stuff. It was so cool seeing my work on the big screen. I did the glass in Bruce Wane's manor next to the lake. It was so cool. Nothing compared to cinematography, but I was proud of it. Just another $0.02 comment.

Nice ! Michigan myself for the past 30 years, in Battle Creek.


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When I stumble upon words to adequately describe how incredible I think this room is....I'll immediately post back. Still Googling....

Congratulations on a phenomenal build!!!!





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Rob,
HVAC is a critical factor in rooms - in your case the capacity (because the room and projection room combined is a huge volume) and keeping it quiet would need a lot of planning.
What size of AC unit are you using? and what steps were taken to manage the HVAC noise floor?
Thanks in advance.
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Ash, as you surmise, much thought and planning went into the HVAC system for both the theater & projection room. Keith developed the air conditioning/heating system from the very beginning of the project as success of the overall design depended crucially on keeping the noise floor as low as possible. In order to achieve these low noise levels we required careful attention to all the areas that were addressed in the design and construction of the room.

Our entire house is heated and cooled using a Geothermal system. We wanted to go as green as possible and not be dependent on oil. We also did this as we knew that we'd be using air conditioning extensively (for the rack room in the basement, the theater, the listening room and the projection room) so going green was very important.

Specifically, we selected a fan coil unit with a variable speed fan. The supply and return ducting are pressure equalized, using very large supply ducting to minimize air flow speed (i.e., moving lots of air through large openings, at a slow speed). Airflow velocity target is below 450 FPM (feet per minute) with a recommended maximum 200 FPM. Air slots in the grills had to be large enough to allow for low velocity discharge.

The fan coil units are decoupled from the surface of the building using isolation hangers.

Duct layout design was important too - we tried to avoid asymmetry for even flow. We also employed low velocity acoustic silencers for both supply and return.

There are many more specifications too detailed to list here. I will say that air quality (air changes, filtration) add immeasurably to the silence of the room and the comfort of being in the room.

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There are many more specifications too detailed to list here. I will say that air quality (air changes, filtration) add immeasurably to the silence of the room and the comfort of being in the room.

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Rob,
I expected nothing less in this fabulous theater..
Do you know what NC rating was achieved in the room?
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Elill: "Absolutely, bloody sensational! Many congratulations on the build and thank you kindly for sharing

Awesome stuff!"

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TMcG: "Thank you very much for giving us all a glimpse of how high end done right looks like from start to finish and the challenges in between, which I am sure there were many. Glad to hear your investment is already paying off with quality friends and family time. Congratulations to you and KYDG!!"

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"Wow! I can't even find words. Congratulations on the epic project. Thanks for sharing it and keep those pics coming! This is a theater I would actually get on a plane to experience. If I did my math correctly my home theater would fit in yours 12 times. I can't imagine the experience in your room! Awesome!"

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rms8: "When I stumble upon words to adequately describe how incredible I think this room is....I'll immediately post back. Still Googling....
Congratulations on a phenomenal build!!!!"

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Thank you guys so much! It's extremely heartening to hear everyone's positive comments about my theater. Everyone worked so hard on it - I do want to give a special thanks to Davenport Contracting, Inc. out of Stamford, CT. Keith Yates & Geoff Franklin designed my theater, but Davenport built it! When I started this whole endeavor, one of the things I was most concerned about was, who's going to implement this incredible design?

Who's going to follow the minutiae of and execute properly the very complicated plans? I needed a company that wasn't scared to ask questions - they needed to be curious. No shortcuts could be taken. Keith and Mike Moore (his 2nd in command) made sure that the plans were executed exactly as designated. They told me they have never had such a good experience with a contracting firm as they did with Davenport (especially Bob Cebulski, who was the site supervisor for the theater portion of our construction).

Rick Koch, the owner along with Brian MacDonald, was the brilliant guiding light for this labor of love. Rick died of cancer 2 months ago - we are just devastated by his passing. He was one of a kind. A very emotional night happened when he was able to watch an entire film ("Gravity" and "Out of Africa") in the finished theater with most of the people who worked on the theater in attendance. None of us who were there will ever forget it.

My intense gratitude goes to Davenport & all the trades (Crane who did all the woodwork, Brian from Davenport Electrical, Ray who stained the wood, Air Solutions who did all the HVAC ) - everyone who made it possible for Rick to see his creation come to fruition.

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Ash, this is the quietest room they've ever tested. Amazingly, it tested NC -1 (that's minus 1)! It's hard to believe, until you experience being in the room…

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Ash, this is the quietest room they've ever tested. Amazingly, it tested NC -1 (that's minus 1)! It's hard to believe, until you experience being in the room…

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Wow zee... and I thought at NC 12 ....I have a great noise floor..
Perfect - like a good sports car... not how fast it can go but how it stops and handles.
You are a blessed man - in these things you can design all day long and plan all day long but such things end up to luck .... granted you all did all you could to lower the noise criterion but I am sure even you were shocked to find such a low noise rating.
At NC -1 the quiet passages in scenes where you can hear a fireplace or crickets would be phenomenal.... makes it essential for the perfect all encompassing movie experience.

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