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"Are We Done Yet?" Build Thread

Although I'm well on my way building my theater, I figured I would throw up a build thread. I've learned a lot so far with everyones' help and maybe I can give some back.

I'm actually finishing the entire basement, so the theater is just a small part, but it's the room I'm working on almost exclusively right now.

Here are some pictures of the progress so far. More pictures to come tomorrow.



































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Very cool. I haves house being built that the theater room has very similar dimensions.. Will be following this one closely..

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Nice to see you started an actual build thread!
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Very cool. I haves house being built that the theater room has very similar dimensions.. Will be following this one closely..
What is the ceiling box you made for?
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Very cool. I haves house being built that the theater room has very similar dimensions.. Will be following this one closely..
Actually, the dimensions on the floor plan are incorrect. The software decided to show the depth of the room as the distance from the back wall to the start of the soffit.

The room is about 23' deep. I have 21' feet from the back wall to the screen wall and then another 2' behind the screen wall.
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Here are the rest of the pictures that will bring everyone up to speed on my progress. This is about where it sits today. I'm ordering the fabric today for the rest of the room and hopefully I'll have it by this weekend. I also need to special order another piece of plywood for the furring strips as my initial estimate was off.

Next we build the columns. They were made of MDF. The front two will get a sconce and the other 4 get a in wall Goldenear MPX and a sconce.

They are attached to the wall with a piece of scrap lumber that's glued and screwed to the wall.











Up after the columns were the wall treatments behind the screen wall. Two layers of 1" Linacoustic separated by 6 mil poly.








We went with Big's design for the screen wall. I put another cross brace at the bottom last weekend. The screen had clips at the bottom that I wanted to attach.






Next up was the velvet. I decided that I was going to do the walls and ceiling in velvet from the screen to the end of the soffit. I was worried that the light bleed from the screen would be terrible if I went with paint or anything even mildly reflective. I have to say that I'm glad I did.

From the front row it's 100% immersive. It's like a floating screen.

























Once the ceiling was done, we started working on the walls.






And here is where we are today.









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I know. I should have done it months ago.

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What is the ceiling box you made for?
They are for Atmos speakers later. Since I went with the full soundproofing package, I couldn't cut a big hole in the ceiling for the speaker without some type of soundproofing for the speaker. You can't see it in the picture, but I later changed the design of the box. I ended up going with Drywall / GG / OSB / GG / Drywall.

The soundproofing was important to me because my master is literally right above the theater.

The last thing I wanted was my wife yelling down at 3am for me to turn it down.
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I know. I should have done it months ago.



They are for Atmos speakers later. Since I went with the full soundproofing package, I couldn't cut a big hole in the ceiling for the speaker without some type of soundproofing for the speaker. You can't see it in the picture, but I later changed the design of the box. I ended up going with Drywall / GG / OSB / GG / Drywall.

The soundproofing was important to me because my master is literally right above the theater.

The last thing I wanted was my wife yelling down at 3am for me to turn it down.


"The last thing I wanted was my wife yelling down at 3am for me to turn it down. [/QUOTE]

Exactly why I am going through the process too.

Did the builder supply the clips or did you? About how many were used in that room? I think I am going to have to buy and bring them to my builder and show them how to install this stuff.

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I'm actually doing all the work myself. The only thing I haven't done in the basement was the drywall, which I subbed out and actually wiring up the breaker box. I ran all the high voltage, but had no desire to get anywhere near that thing.

I would definitely recommend doing it yourself. It's actually a piece of cake and there are enough of us around here that can help along the way. You're going to save a ton of money. I would however, recommend subbing out the drywall or at the very least, the finishing aspect.

If I remember correctly, my theater was $3,600 for the drywall. That was Type-X double layer and the finishing. I supplied and applied the green glue. I let them do whatever they wanted in the rest of the basement, but I supervised every aspect of the theater drywall. I made them very aware of that before I signed the contract.

I had them specify fastener type and length, along with the fact that they were going to wait while I applied the green glue to each piece. I would definitely get that all in writing. I also checked to make sure they actually showed up with the correct fasteners.

I looked back through my invoices and it looks like I bought a total of 230 IB-1 clips and 39 IB-3 clips. I have a bunch of IB-3 clips left over though. I'd have to look in my box and see if I have any IB-1 clips left, but if I remember correctly, it was close.

They are a piece of cake to install. I have a few recommendations for you though.

1. Rip a 2 x 4 the height of the room. Figure out where your clips go vertically, and then mark the 2 x 4. That way you can just carry that around the room and mark all the other locations. Or, better yet, buy a laser. I wish I would have bought one of these things months ago. I think I'd be done by now.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bosch-165...60-S/207135953

I would also recommend a tripod because the clip they give you sucks.

2. When attaching the clips to the wall, use deck screws. Don't use normal wood screws that you find in the fastener isle. The end up stripping out or snapping off. Here is what I used. I think I went with 2", but can't remember.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Deck-Mate...5064/202308668

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I know. I should have done it months ago.
"Better late than never"

I'll see myself out.

Also, @Spyderturbo007 , can you go into your felt panels a bit more that you did for the black-out? it looks like you fixed linaccoustic first? Then is it a fabric frame, and stretched felt?

Looks incredible!

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Looking great - but very confusing, as I've been following the https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-ded...ld-thread.html - so two almost identical threads running at the same time! Bound to happen sooner or later - there are only so many original names I guess.....
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I'm actually doing all the work myself. The only thing I haven't done in the basement was the drywall, which I subbed out and actually wiring up the breaker box. I ran all the high voltage, but had no desire to get anywhere near that thing.

I would definitely recommend doing it yourself. It's actually a piece of cake and there are enough of us around here that can help along the way. You're going to save a ton of money. I would however, recommend subbing out the drywall or at the very least, the finishing aspect.

If I remember correctly, my theater was $3,600 for the drywall. That was Type-X double layer and the finishing. I supplied and applied the green glue. I let them do whatever they wanted in the rest of the basement, but I supervised every aspect of the theater drywall. I made them very aware of that before I signed the contract.

I had them specify fastener type and length, along with the fact that they were going to wait while I applied the green glue to each piece. I would definitely get that all in writing. I also checked to make sure they actually showed up with the correct fasteners.

I looked back through my invoices and it looks like I bought a total of 230 IB-1 clips and 39 IB-3 clips. I have a bunch of IB-3 clips left over though. I'd have to look in my box and see if I have any IB-1 clips left, but if I remember correctly, it was close.

They are a piece of cake to install. I have a few recommendations for you though.

1. Rip a 2 x 4 the height of the room. Figure out where your clips go vertically, and then mark the 2 x 4. That way you can just carry that around the room and mark all the other locations. Or, better yet, buy a laser. I wish I would have bought one of these things months ago. I think I'd be done by now.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bosch-165...60-S/207135953

I would also recommend a tripod because the clip they give you sucks.

2. When attaching the clips to the wall, use deck screws. Don't use normal wood screws that you find in the fastener isle. The end up stripping out or snapping off. Here is what I used. I think I went with 2", but can't remember.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Deck-Mate...5064/202308668
Thank you very much for all that information. I like the 2x4 idea. The house is new construction and it has a builder grade media room that I am altering for using it as a real home theater. Unfortunately it is only 11 1/2 x 14 1/2..Hardly epic but at least I can uncouple the walls,ceiling and floor since it is located on the second floor. I also have a storage closet attached that I can store the media equipment in with good access.

Where did you buy your clips from may I ask?
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Actually, the dimensions on the floor plan are incorrect. The software decided to show the depth of the room as the distance from the back wall to the start of the soffit.

The room is about 23' deep. I have 21' feet from the back wall to the screen wall and then another 2' behind the screen wall.
Theater is looking good. I'm really interested in the pinball room lol. What are your plans for this room??
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"Better late than never"

I'll see myself out.

Also, @Spyderturbo007 , can you go into your felt panels a bit more that you did for the black-out? it looks like you fixed linaccoustic first? Then is it a fabric frame, and stretched felt?

Looks incredible!
Sure. I purchased the felt from Jo-Ann Fabrics. It is their Royalty 3. I built the panels with 1" birch plywood that I ripped down to 1.5" strips. They were joined with the Kreg pocket hole joiner. I attached the Linacoustic to the ceiling with 2" cabinet screws. I experimented with a variety of methods of holding up the panels, but ultimately settled on firing 2.5" brad nails at an angle into the panels on the sides. In the places where I couldn't get in at an angle, I fired then into the corner. If you have the gun set right, you can't see the hole.

If you want them removable, you can use these Pressfit Speaker Grill Guides.

http://www.parts-express.com/parts-e...m_campaign=pla

I was able to get the panels to stay in place using those, but in the end, I figured there would probably be no reason why I would ever need to remove them. Also, with having to cut a hole for the lights, I wouldn't be able to remove them unless I pulled all the staples first.

If you go that route, hold up the non-covered frame where you want it and drill a small pilot hole through the frame and into the drywall. That will line up the grill guide when you go to install them.
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I got them from Ted at the Soundproofing Company.
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Theater is looking good. I'm really interested in the pinball room lol. What are your plans for this room??
I'm glad you asked.

That room will be a dedicated game room. I'm completely out of room in our 4th bedroom and have spilled over into the dining room. Needless to say, my wife doesn't want me buying anymore games until I can get them in the basement.

The room itself has 6 dedicated 20 amp circuits because of the high draw of a pinball machine. There will be a TV at each end of the room. I also wired for speakers, but I doubt I'll ever be listening to music in there.

I have a total of 8 so far, Wizard of Oz being my pride and joy. That's the one that is in the dining room.








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Sure. I purchased the felt from Jo-Ann Fabrics. It is their Royalty 3. I built the panels with 1" birch plywood that I ripped down to 1.5" strips. They were joined with the Kreg pocket hole joiner. I attached the Linacoustic to the ceiling with 2" cabinet screws. I experimented with a variety of methods of holding up the panels, but ultimately settled on firing 2.5" brad nails at an angle into the panels on the sides. In the places where I couldn't get in at an angle, I fired then into the corner. If you have the gun set right, you can't see the hole.
Thanks! As I said, it looks fantastic. One of those things where having the drop in the ceiling ends up working in your favor as you can get a nice cutoff and have just a vacuum of blackness beyond it. I will be incorporating something similar in my space for sure.
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It was definitely worth the time and expense. When you're sitting in the front row it's just a black hole with a screen. From the second row, you see the non-velvet walls in your peripheral vision, but it isn't distracting.

I was watching a little bit of a movie last night thinking, maybe I should do everything in front of the viewing positions in black velvet.

That would probably look weird, so I'll most likely stick with the DMD red & black fabric I bought that was delivered today.
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I'm glad you asked.

That room will be a dedicated game room. I'm completely out of room in our 4th bedroom and have spilled over into the dining room. Needless to say, my wife doesn't want me buying anymore games until I can get them in the basement.

The room itself has 6 dedicated 20 amp circuits because of the high draw of a pinball machine. There will be a TV at each end of the room. I also wired for speakers, but I doubt I'll ever be listening to music in there.

I have a total of 8 so far, Wizard of Oz being my pride and joy. That's the one that is in the dining room.








Wow! I'm speechless. Wizard game looks awesome...never knew one was made. Thanks for the pics...as a teenager you couldn't peel me away from the arcades. I miss the noise and the lights lol. Keep your thread going to include this room's construction. I'm sure there are others that will love to see the finished product. Good luck with the build!
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I'm glad you asked.

That room will be a dedicated game room. I'm completely out of room in our 4th bedroom and have spilled over into the dining room. Needless to say, my wife doesn't want me buying anymore games until I can get them in the basement.

The room itself has 6 dedicated 20 amp circuits because of the high draw of a pinball machine. There will be a TV at each end of the room. I also wired for speakers, but I doubt I'll ever be listening to music in there.

I have a total of 8 so far, Wizard of Oz being my pride and joy. That's the one that is in the dining room.








Love to see a short video of the Wizard of Oz pinball in action...
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Believe me, handing over the pile of cash to buy it really stung. It was even worse, since I wanted the Ruby Red Edition as opposed to the standard Emerald City Edition. It was definitely an expensive toy, that's for sure.
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Wow! I'm speechless. Wizard game looks awesome...never knew one was made. Thanks for the pics...as a teenager you couldn't peel me away from the arcades. I miss the noise and the lights lol. Keep your thread going to include this room's construction. I'm sure there are others that will love to see the finished product. Good luck with the build!
Thanks! I was the same way. I'm 39, so I grew up in the Mortal Kombat days and never played a pinball machine when I was younger. They had them in the arcade I frequented, but they were in the back and nothing that I was interested in at the time. Fast forward to 2 years ago. I was in a bar that had just opened with my wife and there was a lone pinball machine (Avatar) sitting in the corner. I decided to play it. An hour later, I turned to my wife and said "I'm buying one". That was 2 years ago and I now have 8. I would have more, but I'm completely out of room. That was the main motivation for finishing my basement.

Here is the game room. It really just needs paint and carpet. I haven't done that yet, because we are still working down there making a mess and I don't feel like cutting everything outside in the cold.

These pictures are from a few months ago before we starting working exclusively in the theater. The bar is covered in reclaimed barn wood from a barn in Missouri. It look much, much better in person.

As of right now, the bathroom is completely done.

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Sitting Area / Bar / Fish Tank Area






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I love the bar! My wife keeps saying she wants to do an accent wall in our basement, and we have talked about doing reclaimed wood, but haven't looked for it much yet, just wasn't sure how to go about finding it.

So, looks like Pinball is the expensive hobby, and the home theater is just the spare change part of entertainment :-)
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I love the bar! My wife keeps saying she wants to do an accent wall in our basement, and we have talked about doing reclaimed wood, but haven't looked for it much yet, just wasn't sure how to go about finding it.

So, looks like Pinball is the expensive hobby, and the home theater is just the spare change part of entertainment :-)
Thanks!

I purchased my reclaimed lumber from http://www.reclaimedwoodinc.com/ They were very nice to deal with and do all the prep work, such as kiln drying, cleaning, removing nails, etc. It isn't cheap though. If I remember correctly, it was $1,500 for 100sq ft shipped.

Depending on what machine you want, they can definitely get expensive. They also seem to multiply somehow too.
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Your basement is cleaner and nicer during construction than mine was after completion. It's going to be awesome when you are done.
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I got a good bit done this weekend, despite being at the tail end of a cold. It was just me, because my dad didn't want to get sick, so he stayed home.

I put another 2 coats of black on the ceiling. It looks fine under normal lighting, but if you shine the 1,000 watt halogen work lamps on it, you can see the discolorations. I don't think it will be an issue once I get the work lights out and am just using room lighting.

The far wall is completely finished except for the trim. I went with the Linacoustic up to ear level and then poly batting from there to the ceiling. I put in some backer blocks for use later if I ever want to hang the printed movie posters I bought. My thought is that I can use 4 impaling clips to hold up the 2" JM 814.

Hanging the fabric went a lot easier than I thought it would. The DMD fabric is easy to work with and extremely forgiving. I ran into a little bit of an issue in the corner where I needed to attach the fabric to the furring strip first and then nail it to the wall. Once I figured out that I want to staple on the back and not the side, it worked out a lot better. The first one I did, got a little off line, but I was able to stretch it out so you'll never know.

I ended up needing to use the landscape fabric behind because you could see everything through the fabric when you shined a light on it.

Overall, I think it turned out really nice.

It's really starting to look like a theater. I can see the finish line!!!!!!!

















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