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Thank's for the kind words! If the whole team plays to their potential, they sure could do it. Lots of question marks though given their inconsistent gameplay these past few months. But they sure have the talent. Going to be fun to watch for sure!! Go GREEN!

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Ok - you gotta link me a build thread or something showing off your system, so as not to go off topic from this thread. I have dual screens, the yoke and pedals (and of course a pretty nasty sound setup on my computer) but I want to know what other hardware you are running. Really cool!
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Ok - you gotta link me a build thread or something showing off your system, so as not to go off topic from this thread. I have dual screens, the yoke and pedals (and of course a pretty nasty sound setup on my computer) but I want to know what other hardware you are running. Really cool!
Thanks! Honestly, I just picked up a pre-built system given the prices of GPUs these days due to cryptocurrency mining. To buy the whole system was about the same price, so I went that route. The particular system I got was from Newegg. Here's the link with the specs...https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16883102169

Then I have the CH Products Yoke, Pedals and Throttle Quadrant, and I added a Saitek/Logitech controller for some of the switches and gear control. The monitors are ASUS 21" monitors. The key to running three is having a good GPU. The NVidia GTX 1080 that came with the system I purchased does a great job with it. I run X-Plane 11 mostly and it has multi-monitor capabilities and setup options built right in. The only issue is that if you go that route vs using NVidia Surround, the frame rates do take a tumble. But with my setup I can still get between 20-30FPS in X-Plane with many of the scenery sliders up. If I go with one monitor, I get around 50-75FPS. But three monitors definitely adds a level of realism one just can't bring. I've not dug into VR yet, but X-Plane 11 has it natively. I've watched a few videos online of guys using it, and it looks pretty cool. I may invest in a VR headset at some point, but I want to let the technology get a bit further along before I do. Plus, I need a new projector for the theater! :-)

Definitely a fun hobby though and as one who came from FSX, X-Plane 11 is the way to go!

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Upgrades!!!

Decided it was finally time to upgrade the projector. I had originally thought I'd upgrade to the Epson 6040UB, but after reading many things online and here on the forum, decided there were other options worth considering including the JVC DLA-RS540U and Sony VPL-VW385ES. I know any one of those options would create a great image in my room, but in the end I was able to get a good price on a new Sony VPL-VW385ES and have gone with that unit. I also decided to order an OPPO UDP-203 4K BD player to compliment the new projector. I received the projector yesterday and expect the OPPO this week.

After just a few hours of playing around with the Sony, and trying many different types of material including 480i, 480p, 1080p and 4K, I am beyond impressed with the image. It definitely is a different type of image than the Epson 3500 produced and a huge step up in contrast, clarity and sharpness! And the lens memory and lens shift functions now make my 2.35 scope screen so much more manageable when switching between formats. I am anxious to pair it with the OPPO as I've read many reports of how the 203's tone mapping ability will allow the Sony to produce an even better HDR image. All in all, I'm very pleased after just a few hours of use and will be anxious to continue to dial it in.







I'm going to do a few modifications to my hush box to ensure proper cooling for the Sony as it is much larger than the Epson. For now, I simply removed the two side walls from the interior to allow more air space for heat dissipation. One of the things I liked about the Sony was the venting design however, so even without any additional cooling, I am confident it would be just fine. Even so, I plan to add some small fans and draw room air from a new cutout under the soffit very soon.

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Just a few screen captures from Thor and Dunkirk which are streamed from Vudu in 4K UHD with HDR. These are unedited photos and just straight from my LG phone! The sharpness, colors and contrast are just awesome from the Sony.







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I enjoyed following your build thread last year.
Great to see that you now have an image worthy of your fabulous room.
Thanks for the update.
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Great Build!

What a great build, I just went through all of your pages and see that our efforts are very similar, only you are done and I'm just getting started. Thanks for sharing such great detail, looking forward to getting ours complete.
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What a great build, I just went through all of your pages and see that our efforts are very similar, only you are done and I'm just getting started. Thanks for sharing such great detail, looking forward to getting ours complete.
Thanks! I have no doubt your room will be an awesome theater when you have it completed. Again, you'll love your speakers and I'm confident you'll be happy with those choices. I'll be anxious to see yours continue and the finished product!!

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New Speakers!

So as much as I've loved the HTM-12s, I decided to move over to the "Elusive 1099's" from DIY Sound Group, when @brian6751 decided to sell his. While the word "upgrade" might not be true for some people's tastes, after now having them in my room for about 24 hours, I consider them to be an upgrade for my type of listening and space. The HTMs are a great speaker, but I just had felt they missed some of the mid range frequencies that I really wanted, especially when listening to music, and sometimes with dialogue in movies. I had seen many builders use the 1099s and love them, and honestly would have probably gone that route out of the gate, except I just needed to save a little cost during my build. But now that a few years have passed, and with being able to purchase them used and at less cost, I couldn't pass up the opportunity!

They are definitely a bright sounding speaker. I've even played around with pulling 2-6kHz down a dB or 2 just to "dim" them a bit. But overall, I love their tone and the rich sound they create. So here they are!! (Forgive the skewed edges of the photo. Samsung's cameras aren't great at wide angle shots.)



I'm still dialing them in, but loving the sound!! Thanks Brian!
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They look really good, congrats on the upgrade


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So I've struggled for most of my room's existence with feeling the bass just wasn't even across the seats, and also just not "tight", but more "boomy." I know that placing both of my subs on the front wall isn't ideal, but I just felt it was the best option for my design. To compensate, I'd been looking at possibly adding two more subs in the back of the room, but wasn't sure if I had the space to do that, at least with another set of 18" drivers. After reading quite a few articles, the idea of placing one cyclops on the front wall, and moving one to the back wall seemed like a worthwhile option to try. So earlier today I did that and...WOW!! That changed the feel of the room dramatically. I now have very consistent bass across all seats, and the boomyness is gone. The bass is now tight and sounds like I had always hoped it would given the design of the cyclops 18" subs. If you're experiencing the same issue, and have a rectangular room, I'd sure recommend giving this two sub setup a try. I am disappointed I didn't do it out of the gate!

Here is the lone cyclops in front now...yes it looks a bit weaker than having two, but it still sounds great up front.



You can just see the top of the cyclops behind the chairs. I did have scoot the back row forward a bit, but there is still plenty of room and it shouldn't cause any issues. Glad I made my riser as deep as I did though!





Wish I had done it sooner!! Still may do 4 eventually, but for now, I'm happy!!

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I’m happy to hear you have better bass now! I’m also happy that you want to add a couple Cyclopes boxes to your setup. If I had your awesome room, I definitely would put both cyclops in the rear. And use that beautiful blank canvas up front that’s quite roomy, and build something special. Maybe 2 devastators? Man, all I know is I’m super jealous of you guys with the bigger HT spaces.
Thanks for the update!
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I’m happy to hear you have better bass now! I’m also happy that you want to add a couple Cyclopes boxes to your setup. If I had your awesome room, I definitely would put both cyclops in the rear. And use that beautiful blank canvas up front that’s quite roomy, and build something special. Maybe 2 devastators? Man, all I know is I’m super jealous of you guys with the bigger HT spaces.
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Well, I'm looking forward to learning from two masters of bass design in a few weeks!

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Pulled the trigger and picked up two more Cyclops subs, with UM-18 drivers from @brian6751 along with a MiniDSP and amp to power all 4 subs. I'm placing 3 of them in the front, and keeping the one in the rear. Front sound stage looks a bit more impressive now! :-) Haven't hooked them up yet, but with 4 total 18" Cyclops (2 UM-18s and 2 460HOs), I think I'll be able to feel movies a bit better now...right @Jk7.2 . Still haven't achieved your level of LFE, but I'm gaining. Anxious to hook them up and get things dialed in.



I'm also ordering two more Volt-6s to place in the front two columns. I think the additional side surround efx will really help fill the space, especially for the front row. Stay tuned!
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Front sound stage looks a bit more impressive now! :-) Haven't hooked them up yet, but with 4 total 18" Cyclops (2 UM-18s and 2 460HOs), I think I'll be able to feel movies a bit better now...right @Jk7.2 . Still haven't achieved your level of LFE, but I'm gaining. Anxious to hook them up and get things dialed in.



That was a heck of a deal you got buying them from Brian. Definitely will make a huge improvement in the room

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That was a heck of a deal you got buying them from Brian. Definitely will make a huge improvement in the room
I agree! Can't wait to learn from you and Jared on how to tune bass and bring it all to life. And anxious to see your awesome room in person!! Should be a great time for all.
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I agree! Can't wait to learn from you and Jared on how to tune bass and bring it all to life. And anxious to see your awesome room in person!! Should be a great time for all.


I will do all I can to show you what I know. Which isn’t a ton, but it’s worked for me! I can’t wait to make it over to your place too!
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I agree! Can't wait to learn from you and Jared on how to tune bass and bring it all to life. And anxious to see your awesome room in person!! Should be a great time for all.
Just be forewarned just like me and Jared going to @eng-399 place we left knowing we wanted more bass which meant more upgrades.

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Being you'll be at the GTG, I saw your theater from your posts. Sweet theme and GO GREEN!

You're welcome to invite me over for a demo at any time
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You're welcome to invite me over for a demo at any time
Love to! Any fellow Spartan is more than welcome at my place at any point!! If you're going to be at the gtg as well, I'll look for you and we can set something up. If not, PM me your number and we could set something up in August sometime.

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Love to! Any fellow Spartan is more than welcome at my place at any point!! If you're going to be at the gtg as well, I'll look for you and we can set something up. If not, PM me your number and we could set something up in August sometime.

Go White!!
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Love your build...just curious what fabric you selected on your flicks chairs. It looks awesome.
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Love your build...just curious what fabric you selected on your flicks chairs. It looks awesome.
Thanks for the kind words! We have the Dax Black fabric for our Flicks chairs. We love it. It wipes clean easily, and is soft to the touch.

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Velvet is finally up

Decided to finally put the velvet up on the ceiling in the front of the room. I designed the front part of the room with this idea in mind, and I even purchased the velvet back when I built the room, but I just have been putting it off. Shouldn't have put the projector in till it was done. Well, I decided to finally do it today. It's not 100% complete yet, but I can already tell it is going to make a huge difference in the image given the ceiling will now disappear.

My design was to cut 23.5" x 23.5" panels of 1/4" plywood. Then I attached the velvet using staples on the backside of each panel and also a bit of Gorilla Glue spray adhesive on the front to hold it in place. Once the panels were made, I used 2" 18 gauge brad nails, one in each corner, to hold the panels to the ceiling. I staggered the seams just to give it a unique look, and to ensure that if anything didn't line up 100%, it wouldn't be as noticeable. Just in front of the screen, where the lights are, I simply stapled velvet to the ceiling, leaving enough excess to allow the first row of panels to overlap. Overall, I think it looks great and it's good to get it done finally!











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Looks amazing, how far do you go out with it into your room.


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Thanks! It goes about 7ft from the screen back into the room. I may try to treat the trim board that you can see in the back of the final picture as it still is pretty reflective. My issue is that my projector sits above my screen height, so especially when I zoom in to get the 2.35 ratio, there is a small amount of light that reflects off all of that. I'll see what it looks like when the projector is back on. But the velvet will definitely help with the removal of reflections off the ceiling.
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Pulled the trigger and picked up two more Cyclops subs, with UM-18 drivers from @brian6751 along with a MiniDSP and amp to power all 4 subs. I'm placing 3 of them in the front, and keeping the one in the rear. Front sound stage looks a bit more impressive now! :-) Haven't hooked them up yet, but with 4 total 18" Cyclops (2 UM-18s and 2 460HOs), I think I'll be able to feel movies a bit better now...right @Jk7.2 . Still haven't achieved your level of LFE, but I'm gaining. Anxious to hook them up and get things dialed in.







I'm also ordering two more Volt-6s to place in the front two columns. I think the additional side surround efx will really help fill the space, especially for the front row. Stay tuned!


Lars, did you get these subs tuned in, and how do you like them! It can be tricky getting front and rear subs to cooperate. Or it can be easy like @hd0823 ‘s were.
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Lars, did you get these subs tuned in, and how do you like them! It can be tricky getting front and rear subs to cooperate. Or it can be easy like @hd0823 ‘s were.
Good timing! I was actually down working with them again this evening. On the whole I am very happy with them. I added a little delay to the rear sub, set the high pass filters, and adjusted the levels a bit to balance them all out, but other than that, I haven't felt a need to do much to them and am happy with sound and feel they're producing. I did read through the post on tuning multiple subs and also have played around with REW and its eq correction. It suggested some eq'ing, which I tried. But after putting it in place, and having a flatter response, I didn't like it. I'm finding that flat isn't necessarily a great thing, and some peaks in the 50Hz range, which I have in my room, is ok. I'm also getting a +5db reading in the 20-25Hz area in the back row of my room vs the front row. But I don't want to eq that out or I lose it in the front. It really isn't an issue. I also read the "Bass EQ for Filtered Movies thread" here on the forum as well. I'm anxious to try some BEQ settings this weekend with a few movies. Given the way some movies just drop off around 30Hz or even 40Hz, I'm sure the BEQ settings for many movies will make a huge difference. That's a big reason why I was playing around with things this evening; trying to make sure the subs sounded good as a baseline before doing so.

That's a really long answer to your question! :-) The bottom line is yes, I am very happy with them and the LFE I'm getting. It's not what you and Jeremy have, but for my space the 4 of them are working great! Still a little jealous though.
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Additional sub options??

Hey guys. I need some advice on adding some new subs. I have several reasons...

1. Why not?
2. I have an iNuke 6000DSP sitting unhooked in my rack looking very sad
3. I desire to continue to balance the LFE across seating positions
4. Why not??

The issue is that I do have some limits on spacing. Again, I have 4 "cyclops" designed boxes (2x UM18s, 2x 460HO) currently, three in the front and one in the back. What I've wondered about doing is moving all 4 to the front, and putting new subs in the back of the room OR keeping it as is and just adding two more subs to the back corners. Whatever I add to the rear of the room, they have to be no higher than 24" to fit under the rear seats when they recline and they have to fit between my columns.

Here is a pic of the space behind my rear seats...



You can see I have space in each corner, as well as between the two columns, where the cyclops currently sits.

I've looked at the sealed flat packs sold at PE for either the UM or HO series subs in either 18" or 15" sizes, and both would fit in the corners. If I went that route, I'd probably want to get the 18" versions with either two more UM18s or 460HOs. One option I'd have is to put the two 460HOs I have in two of my cyclops currently, into the new sealed enclosures and put two UM18s in their place so all 4 cyclops subs would be UM18s. So I'd end up with 4 UM18 cyclops subs (3 in front, 1 in back) and 2 460HOs in 4 cuft sealed enclosures (in rear corners).

Would having two sealed enclosures play nice with the 4 ported designs of the cyclops? Having an MiniDSP currently driving each of the cyclops, and the DSP of the iNuke driving the sealed subs, I'd have the ability to dial things in if having different designs in the same space is inherently bad.

Maybe there is another idea someone might have? Bottom line is I again want to continue to balance the LFE of my room and with already having an iNuke 6000DSP just sitting there in my rack, why not? :-)

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Lars,
I’m so happy about this!
So, my advice is don’t mix sealed with ported. And don’t give up output with sealed over ported. You have a large space. I’d keep 2 Cyclopes in the rear if they fit well, and improve the sub situation behind your screen. Have you looked at the hst sale? 4 of those on your front wall would be excellent ported. But you’d need a bigger amp. Think clone 20k at a min.
I’m telling ya, these gtgs make us all want to improve our setups. I really want to see your space soon. I have ‘other’ ideas for your room too. Hahaha
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