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I'll get right to it. Like many others I would not have attempted such a robust build had I not read and learned on here for what is going on 4 years now. Many of you answered my questions over that time and I am truly appreciative (Jeff, Dennis, Ted to name a few). Started construction last month (Feb 2017) and I'm currently about 50% done. We ended up going with our home builder to finish our basement with the emphasis on the theater. We looked at dedicated HT builders but they wanted the same amount of money for the theater room as others wanted for the entire basement. I knew I could save a ton of money by doing the critical things myself (clips, channel, wiring, insulation, etc). I have some construction background so I was up to the challenge. Primary usage will be gaming followed by movies.

I've learned a ton so far, every day. The one thing that sticks out the most is that many builds I've seen do not follow code, or at least my local code in the Midwest. For example, I did not want any outlets in my theater room for obvious reasons. Called inspector, forced me to put in minimum (6 for my room). Additionally, I planned on a 12" riser height but code only allows for 7 3/4" (standard step height) without resorting to rails. I could go on and on but I'll let pictures tell the story.

Link to flickr album, has ALL pictures in this thread: https://www.flickr.com/photos/214002...57680471609033

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The blank slate. Dimensions are 12' x ~23' (2x6 wall is 27'). Tape outline is for a ~120" diagonal screen.



Framing up. I went back and forth between a 34" or 38" door. Chairs will be the biggest item going in and out so I settled on 34" to lessen the amount of area sound could leak out. Door will swing out to give more room for the riser.



Wired for a 7.2 setup. I made sure I could retrofit Atmos ceiling speakers but have no interest/plans for them right now. Same goes for height/wide speakers.



Backer boxes for surrounds. I looked at acoustical caulk but after much reading I decided to go with DAP Alex Flex, their most flexible latex caulk available in my area. I did not cheap out with GreenGlue because there is so much data behind it. With "acoustical caulk" I decided it was more marketing. I used 1/2" MDF since we don't have 5/8" locally.



Putty pads. Guy on ebay was selling them super cheap, got 15. This picture is before I realized they made extendable gang boxes. I eventually swapped them all out.



I'll be honest, deadvents intimidate me. This is my simple version. 2 supplies and 2 returns all using flex-vent snaked for 10-18' each. I stuffed some rockwool where I could. These will eventually be put into the 11"x16" soffits. The original plan was to add a zone to our geo heat pump but they couldn't do it without tearing everything out. The options were mini-split or keep the geo's fan on to constantly circulate air. HVAC guys gave me 200 cfm to work with, seats for 6 butts but normal seating will be for 4, maybe 8 for rare circumstances for a 253 sq ft room. I made sure I could retrofit a mini-split should the fan solution not work.



Front setup. False wall will be 20" deep. Doing a stage with sand on rubber horse mats. 2 cat6 (one for IR repeater), 2 RCA coaxial for subs and LCR speakers. Dedicated 20-amp 4-plex for subs. Plan is to build a minimum screen wall enough to mount black AT fabric.



1.5" conduit for HDMI, power and cat6. I test-ran all 3 cables before mounting. I turned the 2-gang box sideways so the scoop plate will direct the cables to the back of my projector. I plan to run an extension cable to my line conditioner/surge-protector on my rack in the mechanical room. Still going through options to cap/seal the end as sound will easily travel through this. (Edit - Thanks Dave for a good solution in post #4)



Tape is for rough riser location.



Rockwool in. Doubled up the ceiling/joists and the 2x6 wall. An extra $250 for rockwool over fiberglass was an easy decision. I can already tell a big difference with the rockwool. I can no longer hear the doorbell or my dog barking when it rings. Worked in here over the weekend and nearly missed some people. You can also see the a237r clips. I went with the staggered setup. Some corners were tight. If I had more foresight I would have installed extra studs in the corners to help with this. (Edit - I went back and added them. Just doubled up the tight corners)



Thanks to Jeff for this one. Used some RSIC-04 clips to decouple the projector mount. I measured so the first layer of drywall will lay on it. Another option is to replace the first layer of drywall with it but it's less cutting this way.



Backer boxes are decoupled with clips. Measured so they should come into the first layer for drywall but not the second. Should be a good lip to caulk between them. I'm still waiting on Elac to release their in-wall speakers so I made sure the backer boxes were oversized.



This is why you supervise the drywall guys. There were 8 of them and 1 of me (not to mention a language barrier). I didn't see him working in the rack room. Thankfully there's enough left to work with (8.2 plate).


More to come. I plan to build my own AT screen from milliskin spandex thanks to other threads on this forum. Right now I'm not doing anything fancy with the room finishes. I don't have enough width for 3-wide chairs and sconces with walking room on both sides of the chairs. This also eliminates columns as options. Surround speakers will be in-walls for the same reason. The 25 gauge hat channel is being delivered tomorrow (3/14) and the drywall guys will be coming back to finish the theater room.
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Channel up. Dedicated runs for 11"x16" soffits on long walls (added 3" to account for clips/DD). I almost reused the existing channels but Ted White mentioned on another thread that double 5/8 is about the max for clips/channel (especially on the ceiling). Probably dodged a bullet here. The post-DD soffits will hold flex-vent and 4" can lights stuffed with rockwool. No fancy LEDs.


Drywall up. Soffits started. Need to get first layer of mud on before I hang the soffits, want it sealed up.


First layer of mud on. Tomorrow soffits are going up. From there will finish can lights and HVAC within soffits.


Soffits up.


Soffits drywalled and stage started. Stage is only 20" deep as I need every inch I can get for seating distance. This will give me roughly a foot behind my speakers for air movement. I'll be turning my Ultra X12 sub sideways (16" wide).


Closer view of stage construction. Picked up a 4'x6' rubber "horse mat" from Tractor Supply (thanks Jeff) to use on the bottom. Cut it with a jigsaw (go slow!). Layer of OSB to spread the sand weight and 2x10's. Top will be 2 layers of plywood with GG in between. Tomorrow (3/28) I'm getting 27 bags of sand, pray for my back.


My sand calculator was way off. Only needed 20 bags. Good thing we carried them down in batches. Stage done, texture on walls and trim in place. I'll be doing acoustic treatments once construction is done.


Painting done. Stage hookups done (speakers, IR, coaxial). Wife vetoed black out of the gate so settled with a darkish gray all-round. I don't mind the white accents (trim, vents, light housings) as reflections should be minimal. Carpet goes in next week. Ordered theater seats but they won't be here until end of May. Plenty to still do. Still cleaning every day. Drywall dust is the devil's dandruff. Spandex and FR701 delivered for screen and wall. Poplar sitting in the garage for framing.


Carpet in. Stage painted. Testing speaker locations. Center will be on a stand. Pulled cables to projector. Next up is hanging linacoustic behind stage, minimal screen wall and frames for GOM.
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1.5" conduit for HDMI, power and cat6. I test-ran all 3 cables before mounting. I turned the 2-gang box sideways so the scoop plate will direct the cables to the back of my projector. I plan to run an extension cable to my line conditioner/surge-protector on my rack in the mechanical room. Still going through options to cap/seal the end as sound will easily travel through this.

Use Gardner Bender Duct Seal from Home Depot or Lowes. It is very sticky, so disposable rubber gloves are recommended. You can soften it up a bit by leaving it out in the sun on a warm day, or put it in the oven on low heat for 10-15 minutes.


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Looking great so far. What the drywall guys did to the wiring would have drove me absolutely insane!! Understand you left yourself enough service loop that you'll be ok... still would have went bananas!!! Sub'd! Looking forward to seeing the progress.
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Yeah I went super-saiyan when I first saw it. I got out my wall plate and simulated terminations. I thought about re-running them since the other side of the wall was still rockwool. Service loops > leaving plenty on the end.
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Use Gardner Bender Duct Seal from Home Depot or Lowes. It is very sticky, so disposable rubber gloves are recommended. You can soften it up a bit by leaving it out in the sun on a warm day, or put it in the oven on low heat for 10-15 minutes.


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Dave, can you remove this stuff if need be? I can foresee a higher bandwidth HDMI cable needed in 5 years.
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Dave, can you remove this stuff if need be? I can foresee a higher bandwidth HDMI cable needed in 5 years.
Yes, it is like sticky play-dough. It can be removed easily enough to run new cables, and be put back in place without much difficulty. It is only $3, so grab one and try it out.
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Dave, can you remove this stuff if need be? I can foresee a higher bandwidth HDMI cable needed in 5 years.
Duct seal is removable. Heating it with a hair dryer is suffice. Putting it in the oven will cause some strife with your wife. Its non toxic but I wouldnt suggest putting where your food gets heated. ( it smells) I love the thread name as well. I've had two wine spills from the wife already and Im barely under construction. She's banned.
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Your thread title got my attention, we recently recarpeted our room which meant removing the seats for the first time in 10 years. It was amazing what we found! Un-opened bags of candy, beer caps from beers I don't recall ever drinking in my life, and skittles's galore!
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Great start! Look forward to seeing it come together.

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Shouldn't the title be "Cut the speaker cables and you're banned"?

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I think the last pic might not have posted correctly?

Are you going to extend yours stage out from the screen further for looks?
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I think the last pic might not have posted correctly?

Are you going to extend yours stage out from the screen further for looks?
Nope, wife didn't want a stage coming out and I didn't care either way. The final result will be a wall of black GOM from carpet to ceiling 1" in front of the stage.

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GOM FR701 ordered for screen wall. Spandex ordered for DIY screen. Started wire terminations in rack room (mechanical room next door). Painting is starting today (4/6). Went with a darkish gray color for wife-acceptance-factor. She vetoed black out of the gate. All of my recessed light trim and vents are white but will spray paint gray if I end up hating them.
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Carpet is in. Working on screen wall and riser this weekend. Will post pics once those are up.
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Had to postpone riser and screen wall work since the electrician screwed up mounting a light and pushed out final inspection until this week. In the meantime I've been sealing underneath the door trim/jamb with duct seal/caulk and prepping the automatic door bottom. Picked up a 32" Zero from tmsoundproofing. The ADB mechanism hits my weather stripping so I had to put a 3/8" shim (cut/sanded/painted) between the door and ADB. I should have that installed by weeks end.

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