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Hey Everyone! I've been lurking on the forums for a few months but just signed up as we purchased a new home and will be moving in less than a month from now!

My Wife and I love movies and its a dream come true that we will have a home with enough space to finally have a room for our family and friends to enjoy! BUT! I need a little assistance from some audio and video guru's

This home has 12' ceilings in the basement where the theater room will be going but the challenge is i dont know what the best way to orientate the room to maximize the audio and video. There are no outdoor windows or doors but the issue is that its a mechanical room and i will have to work around the Furnace, Well Pump, Water Heater, and the Sump Pump.
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Quite allot of challenges there...

I like the ~5' floor to ceiling wall around the electrical panel, furnace and water heater... I would suggest making the width of it (currently marked at 5') as wide as if there was the hotwater heater in front of the furnace. That way if the hotwater heater ever needs to be replaced, you can get it around the furnace and out of there and a new one into the location.

sump pump area. I assume this is below the grade of the floor, I would build over the top of this with a step or riser, with step/riser being a lid you lift to access the sump pump. This way you can build all the way to the outer way and gain the 19' x 2' wide space.

Well Pump wall area.. I would build the screen 'wall' at about 36" from the wall on the right, encasing the well pump in a sound proof closet with a door. This would be behind the AT screen and hidden.

You'll definitelly need DD + GG + Channel to isolate all the sound in/out of this room. With all the mechanical in the area, you are going to want to go to the top level of sound proofing.
Maybe a room within a room.

BTW, what is your budget? What are you end goals? 2 rows of seating? Atmos? 16x9 or Scope?

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Quite allot of challenges there...

I like the ~5' floor to ceiling wall around the electrical panel, furnace and water heater... I would suggest making the width of it (currently marked at 5') as wide as if there was the hotwater heater in front of the furnace. That way if the hotwater heater ever needs to be replaced, you can get it around the furnace and out of there and a new one into the location.

sump pump area. I assume this is below the grade of the floor, I would build over the top of this with a step or riser, with step/riser being a lid you lift to access the sump pump. This way you can build all the way to the outer way and gain the 19' x 2' wide space.

Well Pump wall area.. I would build the screen 'wall' at about 36" from the wall on the right, encasing the well pump in a sound proof closet with a door. This would be behind the AT screen and hidden.

You'll definitelly need DD + GG + Channel to isolate all the sound in/out of this room. With all the mechanical in the area, you are going to want to go to the top level of sound proofing.
Maybe a room within a room.

BTW, what is your budget? What are you end goals? 2 rows of seating? Atmos? 16x9 or Scope?
Thanks James! sorry for the lack of detail but i was going to do (2) 5/8's tied together with some GG and channel. Are the resilient clips needed or it ok to use the channel and tie into the wall studs? Ill be sure to post some photo's later today of the room as it is currently (its a great open space).

Budget is up in the air as of now as i am still putting together some proposals for different architectural elements.
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How many seats are required?
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How many seats are required?
we are thinking of 2 rows.. 3 up front and 4 in the back
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Sorry for the delay guys but we are officially moved in!! closing was delayed almost 3.5 weeks

we have been in here for about 3 weeks now and we think that the movie room will be moving from the unfinished area (due to i think it would be to difficult to install large doors and still maintain a somewhat soundproof room).

Ill be submitting some photo's of the full unfinished basement as well as 2 layout options that we are looking for! its going to be ALOT of work but we feel it will be worth it in the end.

PS= my pups say hi!

these are 11.5' ceilings!
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attached are the 2 plans that we are thinking about going with..

PLAN 1 will require a large door opening so that we can get to the Furnace/ Electrical Panel/ Water Heater ( as well as well pump relocation/ and access to the sump pump)

PLAN 2 is a blank canvas and will be the cheapest and easiest way to complete the room. we will have to cut up concrete to put in a drain for the bar
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Why not an ejector pump/tank, in plan 2, for the bar drain line?

I like plan 2 for the theater better, but as a 2 row of three seating plan.
And I'd be tempted to shorten the room and leave a hall at the back.

That is quite the basement!
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thanks Tedd, i never thought of getting an ejector pump.. how loud are they when running??

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Why not an ejector pump/tank, in plan 2, for the bar drain line?

I like plan 2 for the theater better, but as a 2 row of three seating plan.
And I'd be tempted to shorten the room and leave a hall at the back.

That is quite the basement!
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I don't know how noisy they are.

But why not put the tank in the storage space? So it's behind the wall, and out of the bar area.

You also might just have the slope and run to make it to a bath room drain.
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Sorry for the delay but i was waiting for materials to come in! we are moving things along (slowly haha)

Items that arrived:
2x6's
2x4's
4x8 5/8 inch drywall
4x8 1/2 inch OSB

HTM-12's arrived and started the speaker build (insulation for those on the way) still need to run a little silicone/ prime/ and paint with duratex

HT18v2 Subs came in and i will start those box builds this weekend

attached are the pics.. still trying to decide if i should use clips for the wall bracing to the existing ceiling joists or tie in ??? The Wife and I decided to use GG/ Channel and Clips for the ceiling but may save a few bucks on the walls due to we have no kids and would be ok with a little sound loss in those areas.

last 2 pics are the ends of my ceiling joists.. should i place 2x4's in there when i plan out our clips for the channel.. per the docs they say 6" from the outside of the drywall sheet.
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the well pump expansion tank is the simplest of the items in the room to move. If you can work with PVC pipe and a little bit of wiring it is a DIY job. If not it shouldn't cost a lot. We moved the one in the Rawlinsway project, actually a plumber did while he was roughing in things for a bathroom, I think it took about two hours So looking at you one plan it is very doable. I've replaced and moved my tank and it is not complicated, two pipes, in and out. There is however a line voltage pressure switch so that electrical line needs to be extended to the new location. And it is usually a high voltage mechanical switch. Some other food for thought, that tank is the builder special, it gets the job done, but because it is small your pump cycles on and off more frequently. that means more were and tear on the submerged pump motor. Bigger tanks are pretty cheap and if you move it you might consider going bigger. At my house it is not fun to have them replace a motor that is 600 ft in the ground. I replaced two, then I put in a larger tank and haven't replaced it since. I am also running a lawn irrigation system off my pump so that increases the pump run time, but that water doesn't actually flow through the tank.


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For wet bars you can put in an under the sink drain pump.


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attached are the 2 plans that we are thinking about going with..

PLAN 1 will require a large door opening so that we can get to the Furnace/ Electrical Panel/ Water Heater ( as well as well pump relocation/ and access to the sump pump)

PLAN 2 is a blank canvas and will be the cheapest and easiest way to complete the room. we will have to cut up concrete to put in a drain for the bar
So which plan are you going with?
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For wet bars you can put in an under the sink drain pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8wLbs9bSE
Thanks for this Jeff
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So which plan are you going with?
we are going with PLAN 2.. nice and open for now before i close everything in! I should be tossing up walls this weekend or next week
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Work and home life has been crazy the past month with the holiday and family coming to the new house from all over. we have been working away slowly trying to get the project moved in the right direction. "huge shout out to Jeff for helping me and answering the 1000 questions i tossed his way!" So far I was able to get the HTM-12's all finished up for the LCR setup behind the AT screen. I decided to go through with PLAN 2 and have since moved the projector screen to the wall with the Window which i will insulate and board over. I then decided to move the network and theater rack from the bathroom wall to the front window wall which will be behind the AT screen wall. Ill try to post pics and updates more frequently but haven't had the time as of lately. let me know what you guys think of the space but i think its coming together nicely.
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Nice start, it would be nice to have 12' ceiling height in the basement. I have 9' to work with and a beam.

What size is that screen you have taped off?

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Nice start, it would be nice to have 12' ceiling height in the basement. I have 9' to work with and a beam.

What size is that screen you have taped off?
thats before i decided to move the screen to the other side but thats 135" diag screen.
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Little progress update, was able to finish the theater/ network rack over the break. Boxed in the outdoor room tossed OSB on the interior wall. scheduled the spray foam insulation guy for this week and HVAC to be done in a week! almost time for drywall.

small question, with the 1/2 in OSB and 5/8 drywall do i need to order an extra wide door jam? the studs are 2x6's
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thanks Tedd, i never thought of getting an ejector pump.. how loud are they when running??
I installed the Liberty 404 under my wet bar sink. Here's a picture of the pump under the garbage disposal. The pump is pretty quiet, barely audible with the cabinet door closed, and only runs for a few seconds each time the tank fills. I can barely hear the pump when the bar sink faucet is running.

As was suggested, you could of course install the pump in the mechanical room if you don't want to hear it at all.

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For wet bars you can put in an under the sink drain pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK8wLbs9bSE
I was going to build a bar near my bathroom because of the sewer being close by, but I would rather have it across the room and this may be the way to go. Thanks.

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I installed the Liberty 404 under my wet bar sink. Here's a picture of the pump under the garbage disposal. The pump is pretty quiet, barely audible with the cabinet door closed, and only runs for a few seconds each time the tank fills. I can barely hear the pump when the bar sink faucet is running.

As was suggested, you could of course install the pump in the mechanical room if you don't want to hear it at all.

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Thank you for posting! and the project turned out great!!!
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So i tore out the remaining insulation on the exterior walls and the spray foam company was going to be there this morning but one of this guys is sick so its been moved to monday! cannot wait to get that done then on to drywall.
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small update, the spray foam company was awesome and went overboard on some of the bays which i am very happy to see! originally was quoted 2" but they went 6+ on some areas.
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The wife and i decided to put some blinds on the window before we cover it up for the screen.. i think it will do for now!
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Looks good so far. I am jealous of the ceiling height! I also like how you built the speakers before the framing.

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Looks good so far. I am jealous of the ceiling height! I also like how you built the speakers before the framing.
Thanks! just an IT guy trying to build it little by little after work- if i can get some help moving drywall in the basement then i can start hanging!
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HTM-6's came in, was able to get the boxes built and installed the crossovers. started painting the tops and sides.. cant wait to get all of these hooked up and start testing everything... the HTM-12's sound amazing

Both 18" subwoofer boxes are assembled and painted the fronts and sides.

next photo is the mess of the basement! trying to find room for these 12' sheets! never will buy them again lol way to much work to get them in the basement.

final photo is a picture of the temp lights as i pulled them down from the ceiling to make way for the clips and channel before OSB and drywall
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its been a long delay, but things are moving in the right direction for now.. we were able to install clips and channel on the ceiling and then installed OSB on the walls and ceiling. we then installed drywall on the ceiling and all walls except the screen wall. My wife and I were outside cleaning one day and noticed that the blinds were burned by the sun.. must have been a little oven in there. we took down the OSB on the screen wall side and decided to remove the window/ paint and install the new siding (piece of mind). so now i can move forward with drywall on the screen wall side and start on the stage!
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