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Alright, time for an update...

Is that Bruce Willis on my Skype screen? Nope, it is @BIGmouthinDC . Jeff has given me awesome advice and was even willing to Skype from a sunny beach in Mexico when I needed some help. If you have any questions he is the man to ask.



I am now going with staggered studs on all walls with double 5/8" drywall with green glue. Jeff advised doing hat channels on the ceiling, and I may do this depending on whether the dry wall guy can do it at a reasonable cost. If he cannot, I will do double 5/8" drywall with green glue just like the walls. You can see in the picture below that there is a "strongback" along the ceiling to keep it straight and support the heavier ceiling. Ceiling height is 10' in the theater area and 9' at the bar.



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Bar area Before and After





I am also installing a 1.5 ton mini-split to heat and cool the space. It is a vented mini-split made by Gree so the vents can run through the soffit. Jeff recommended keeping the flow rate down to around 200, and so we are running 4 outlets and 2 returns; it should be whisper-quiet.



I also found an equipment rack on Craigslist for $250, it is an ERK Series by Middle Atlantic. Seems very solid. Looking forward to setting it up!



I also decided to go with columns without the acoustic panels so that I can have a speaker in the back 4 columns. I will likely go with the RSL CG3 bookshelf speakers to match the RSL atmos speakers.

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Here are the latest plans for the bar from PrimoCraft, a custom bar maker in MN.

It should be ready in about 6-8 weeks. Just need to decide on a stain, leaning towards a dark cherry.

That's all folks! Should be ready in about 8 weeks

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So, the drywall arrived. There were about 160 sheets which had to be carried up the stairs to my 3rd floor. Took 4 guys about 4 hours as they could not use a crane. It is mostly 5/8" as there will be double layer around all walls on the staggered studs and then the storage areas will be lined with one layer of 1/2".



Horse Stall mats also arrived. Just need to carry them up the stairs; they are each 95 lbs.

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Here is the wallpaper I have ordered: it was was made specifically for the Onyx Club in Boardwalk empire. Should match our speakeasy theme nicely

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Drywall being hung. They miscalculated the number of sheets so we had to buy 15 more and haul them up the stairs. PIA

You can see where the projector box will be in the back soffit. It also has a bathroom fan connected to the outer roof to vent; it is the quietest one I could find at 0.3 db. I will likely connect it to a temperature sensor or have it come on whenever the projector powers up. The small grey pipe in the projector space runs to the equipment closet so that HDMI cables or any future type of cable can be run without any problem.





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First soffit framed! Originally going to use drywall, but as it is inside the sound envelope decided to use MDF. Two of the vents will be located in the soffit, one on each side.

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Soffits insulated with MDF along the bottom edge

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Horse stall mats placed with 2 layes of 1/2" OSB being installed above. They two layers of OSB are attached to one another using 1" screws, thereby creating a floating floor. The mats are held in place to the subfloor by their weight alone.



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Horse stall mats placed with 2 layes of 1/2" OSB being installed above. They two layers of OSB are attached to one another using 1" screws, thereby creating a floating floor. The mats are held in place to the subfloor by their weight alone.



Are two layers necessary or would one be good enough?

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with only one, the sheets move around and you have to use something like a DA5 adhesive to hold them in position. DA5 isn't cheep Soundproofingcompany.com sells it.

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The vertical offset/shift capability of the Optoma projector listed on the first page may not support being that high, depending on how high you hang the screen. I think it has to be within 15% of the screen height above the edge of the screen, JVCs are 30%.
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with only one, the sheets move around and you have to use something like a DA5 adhesive to hold them in position. DA5 isn't cheep Soundproofingcompany.com sells it.

If I do anything it may be DRIcore instead.

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I have to say I love the build. Everything is looking great at this point and looking forward to seeing more as you are finishing it.
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The vertical offset/shift capability of the Optoma projector listed on the first page may not support being that high, depending on how high you hang the screen. I think it has to be within 15% of the screen height above the edge of the screen, JVCs are 30%.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the input Jeff. I am actually looking at this one now as it has lens memory for CIH.

JVC DLA-RS440U



http://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC-DLA-RS440K.htm

Would this work for the proposed height (about 10 feet)?
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I have to say I love the build. Everything is looking great at this point and looking forward to seeing more as you are finishing it.
Thanks! It has been a long process so far, but I have learned a lot.
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Thanks! It has been a long process so far, but I have learned a lot.
I am still waiting on my wife to approve of some walls. I’m dealing with bare concrete walls and an open right wall. I’m at least going to get things sealed and paint d to give it something for now. So I’m watching everyone’s builds so I know what to plan for since it will be DIY for me.
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The vertical offset/shift capability of the Optoma projector listed on the first page may not support being that high, depending on how high you hang the screen. I think it has to be within 15% of the screen height above the edge of the screen, JVCs are 30%.
Will the jvc above work?
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1) determine where the top of the screen will be and measure to the floor, 2) determine how tall your screen image is, add .3 of the screen image height to the top of the screen measurement, if that is taller by 3-5 inches to the bottom of the shelf the projector will sit on, it will work just fine. You shouldn't tip projectors down to hit the screen you should only use lens shift to preserve image quality.
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It has been a busy few weeks!

Columns are installed. Had them made by a cabinet shop locally. The inserts have curved corners to make them a little fancier than your traditional rectangles. I still need to attach the GOM Henna fabric to them.










Here you can see the doors that will be providing access to the HVAC (right) and Storage (left). They are made to sit flush with the wall and will then have wallpaper and molding applied so that they should blend in.






The flooring is complete. Here is the bar area and the equipment closet. It will also have a flush and wallpapered door.

I will be painting the area above the knee walls this custom burgundy/wine color that was pulled from the wallpaper by the machine at Home Depot. I think it matches pretty well.









Here you can see the riser. It will be about 11" tall once the two layers of OSB with green glue are attached to the top. It will be filled with insulation but no vents. The vents will be reserved for the stage, which will act as a bass trap. You can also see the electrical connection that will be used for the riser lights and chairs. It will also be carpeted the same as the floor around it.



Here is the stairway that leads to the space. It will be painted a light grey like the samples and then carpeted. At the bottom will be the bookshelf door and at the top will be a solid core door with soundproofing installed.

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Some goodies came in the mail a few days ago.


Here we have a roll of linacoustic from McCormick HVAC supply (4ft x 100ft x 1") as well as a box of 3 mm plastic to go between the two layers to act as a membrane.





The other large pictures if the screen. Finding the right one was definitely a process.


When I spoke to the local rep for Stewart Screen he recommended the Microperf X2 THX-Ultra. It was about $6k so I wanted to know what made it so great and he gave me an interesting explanation. He told me "There is a guy in the factory that is attached to a harness, and he is suspended over the screen and creates the perforations with a needle". He said they do this on the roof of the factory in California, and this process of hand-making each screen is why the screen in so expensive. All I could think of was the painting scene from the Big Lebowski:






I know there is a lot of BS around AVS equipment, but seriously. Next you will tell me tiny elves sprinkle the screen with unicorn tears in order to increase the gain. Stewart Screen actually does have a really cool technique for making the screen, but it involves a massive machine, not a guy with a needle or any characters from LOTR.

Anyway, I called Seymour AV and they were much more straightforward. They explained that the AT screens they sell are rotated so you do not need to worry about moire effect and we discussed the pros and cons of each screen. In the end I decided to go with:

Center Stage XD™ (acoustically transparent)
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Seeing the label made me chuckle and confirmed that I had made the right choice:

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I have been looking into what black lights to use for the star ceiling. These appear to be the best bang for your buck UVB lights out there right now:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Blac...be+and+fixture

They are a true 365nm with very little visible light. Ignore the amazon reviews, most people do not understand what a black light is and think that because it is not "bright" it is somehow inferior. A "bright" UVB light it exactly what you DO NOT want if you want ultraviolet light.

I have been playing with the crown moulding for the soffit trim and I think this 7" piece with an inverted baseboard will work nicely. This is actually the same baseboard around the rest of the theater. The ceiling itself is 16x20 not including the soffits.

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How much did you pay for the linacoustic? I was quoted 307 dollars locally. I thought I read one of BIG's threads that it was closer to 100ish.

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How much did you pay for the linacoustic? I was quoted 307 dollars locally. I thought I read one of BIG's threads that it was closer to 100ish.

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I believe it was around $250 delivered. Jeff bought his for $165 from the same company.
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yes $165 cash and carry was the last price I paid.
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Time for an update!

The bar from PrimoCraft arrived and looks amazing. It will not be fully assembled until we finish the painting/wallpaper but you can see some pictures below. It is cherry and burled walnut with a resin top. There is also a brass rail which will be added once it is fully assembled.


Here are the lights we used for Speakeasy/Industrial feel:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Also, the Edison Bulbs:

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The Brass Ceiling for the bar area is also complete. Looks awesome in person, and was easy to mount using glue.

They sell the Fasade line at Home Depot, although they have a limited selection. We bought ours here:

https://www.overstock.com/Home-Garde...rce=strongview


Here it is installed:

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Here is the trim for the columns painted and with GOM Anchorage Fabric in Henna installed. Pulled the fabric tight and stapled on the back. The red paint on the walls is matched to the fabric color. First week of May PaperWorks will be installing the wallpaper in every area that appears white in the pictures. Wallpaper arrived last week; it took about 4 weeks to print and shipped fast.





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Here is the theater area with the soffits installed. The blue is Benjamin Moore Night Sky that was also used by Mario in the Cinemar thread. The UV blacklights hide easily behind the molding. You can also see the hidden doors that lead to HVAC and storage areas.







Here is the seating area. It will eventually have a small chandelier and Chesterfield sofas.

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Looking good. So you going to do much to seal the hidden door are you not worried about sound getting into that room?

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Looking Great!

Going to be a really cool space.

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Looking good. So you going to do much to seal the hidden door are you not worried about sound getting into that room?
Glad you asked. The hidden door leads to an HVAC closet on the right (looking at the screen wall) and a storage are on the left. Both hidden doors are actually exterior doors and solid core, so decent at sound isolation but not perfect. They also form a very tight fit with the wall so that they can blend in once the wallpaper is applied. I think this will work well enough that I do not need another sound isolation product, but we will have to see!
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