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Worked for a few yesterday. I got my patio slider window plug done. Came out nice and looks perfect outside. Will keep HOA happy.
Looks nice! And a pretty ingenious solution to make it look like a "normal room with blinds."

I'm having to do similar for 3 front-facing windows - same story with the blinds, HOA, etc. I am leaving the blinds in place with blackout curtains behind (white side out) and plugging the openings behind that.

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Looks nice! And a pretty ingenious solution to make it look like a "normal room with blinds."

I'm having to do similar for 3 front-facing windows - same story with the blinds, HOA, etc. I am leaving the blinds in place with blackout curtains behind (white side out) and plugging the openings behind that.
That’s a perfect idea, got to keep hoa happy. I would keep my shutters shut but that’s not allowed without a hurricane by.
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Some items arrived today, like Xmas in April.

Got some rack blanks, 2nd duct fan, and rack fans. Going to use a 2u rack plate to mount the controllers for the duct and rack fans, pictured below.

Also framed the back wall tonight.
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More rack supplies arrived today. Got vented panels and rack drawers. I gave to say I’m impressed with AC Infinity’s new stuff. No work in the theater until this weekend.
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Update.

Spent one of the weekend working on the AV rack. Mentioned before I purchased 45u Middle Atlantic rack rails. So off to Home Depot to pickup 3/4 birch ply with my son. Had them do the first rips to save me the labor. Ended up building the rack carcass first to get exact measurement before moving on to the closet framing. I wasn’t originally going to tear out the existing framing and drywall but after looking at it it was best to remove it. Plus it will be less work with the section of drywall seeing most of the edges are under the trim moulding.

Ended up putting in a piece of pt 2x4 to close off the floor to the existing closet opening. Had to trim back my wood floor too to accomidate this. Got the rack frame and closet framing all done and secured to the studs. I quickly fit the rack rails in with a few screws to see what it’s going to look like, like a kid at Xmas. In the picture below the rack rails need to go deeper in the rack, I measured wrong, was tired but wanted to see some stuff mounted, lol. So I will fill those few holes and move the rails back.

The the 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits are going to be move into the side of the rack so everything is contained within the rack. I need to order more in wall speaker wire so I can start making my runs from the rack. Got parts to make my own power bridges too. I need a power bridge to the projector and a bridge to the rear powered subs. Also the bridge allows for the projector to be protected from my AVR/battery backup. The powered subs go to another surge protector with switched outlets/ triggers. This way they are turned on and off with my Denon 4520ci.

What is everyone’s thoughts with using wall plates for speaker connections? I have always ran my wires with no connections from amp to speaker. So should I do the same and use a wall plate grommet or use the wall plate speaker connections?
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The part that wasn't in the plan originally was ripping out the rest of the existing screen wall framing, right? I think you'll be a lot happier with that in the long run.

As far as wall plates go, I like the clean look of them. But, I'd imagine they could be a pain in the future if you change speaker sizes/mounting setups, depending on how close you put them to the actual speaker (and the point of all this is to have minimal wire showing, so they'd be pretty close, right?). Also, they are a bit more conspicuous than a tiny well-placed hole, and it's another connection in the chain, if that matters to you.

It may be ridiculously pedantic, but I wonder if building code has anything to say about having an open hole into the wall (no matter how tiny).
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The part that wasn't in the plan originally was ripping out the rest of the existing screen wall framing, right? I think you'll be a lot happier with that in the long run.

As far as wall plates go, I like the clean look of them. But, I'd imagine they could be a pain in the future if you change speaker sizes/mounting setups, depending on how close you put them to the actual speaker (and the point of all this is to have minimal wire showing, so they'd be pretty close, right?). Also, they are a bit more conspicuous than a tiny well-placed hole, and it's another connection in the chain, if that matters to you.

It may be ridiculously pedantic, but I wonder if building code has anything to say about having an open hole into the wall (no matter how tiny).
My intentions were ripping out the existing room closet. The part I did not plan on was the framing for the hall closet that the rack goes into.
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Got a few items today. Got 2 more Infinity CC3 for my surrounds for now a total of 4. Also got my 250 ft spool of Monoprice 12/2 inwall wire.
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What is everyone’s thoughts with using wall plates for speaker connections? I have always ran my wires with no connections from amp to speaker. So should I do the same and use a wall plate grommet or use the wall plate speaker connections?
My feeling is, I totally would not bother with wall plates in any area that is not visible in the finished room (i.e. inside a column, behind the screen wall, or behind the rack). But if you have, say, floorstanding speakers visible in the room, I would make that connection at a wall plate for a neat appearance - rather than poking your in-wall cable through the wall and hooking it straight up to the speaker.

In my room I am using a grommet plate into the equipment closet, and soldering banana plugs onto the cables to make any binding post connections. At the rack and in the speaker columns, those banana plugs will be soldered right onto the in-wall cable and plugged into the equipment or speaker.

LCR and subs will be sitting inside the finished room so they will get wall plates and a short patch cable from wall plate to speaker terminal.

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I think I’m just doing home runs with my wires seeing they won’t be exposed in the theater. Now to an update. I have not really worked on the theater room inside but working on rack and my digital poster frame. I got my rack display mounted and custom faceplate for it. Now I can do sound tests, cueing movies, and etc without running the projector. Allows me to mirror what’s in the room.

Last place I had my digital poster frame hung on the wall and when we moved I was going to not include the digital frame at all. But got to thinking and designing. Came up with a way to access the display from the front for changing media. Also added a front bottom passive air intake and a top fan exhaust on front, both are hidden. This weekend I hope to insulate walls and start hanging drywall then onto soffits. Also ordered my 3” led can lights and installed one above the av rack in the hall.
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Details on the rack display? I'll likely have room for one when I retire my stack of Pioneer disc carousels... nice to be able to test and tweak automation without running the lamp.

After my room is built (still a ways off, lol) I already have wife approval for a digital poster frame outside the room. I intend to run MoviePoster on some kind of mini pc. Haven't put too many brain waves into it yet because it'll be the first "upgrade" after the room is "finished."

(finger quotes to denote sarcasm that these rooms are never "finished" - and that's just how I like it!)

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A while back at the old house I purchased a 19” Insignia 720p tv for future rack display. So now the theater was underway and doing a full rack came time to figure out mounting. The tv fits perfectly in the space. I purchased of amazon this rack display holder.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Once mounted I had to figure out the rack faceplate. After searching all ideas and not wanting to pay for a custom face from middle Atlantic I found on eBay a new leftover faceplate for a Denon 5805, older monster AVR. Well the specs were pretty much close to what I needed, price was right, so I took the chance. Well as you can see the chance paid off. Attached is a photo without faceplate to see the fit with rack mount.
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That rack display could be as simple as a sub 19" wide, computer monitor. There's also some smaller usb enabled
computer monitors out there I saw yesterday, that might be an option for a smaller 1080P screen.

You could run a htpc and use that digital movie poster display, if your av rack and digital movie poster display
are close together, right outside the theater. And that htpc could retire the Pioneer disc carousels.

I plan to host my media collection via CollectorZ, on my digital movie poster panel. (And I also plan for the
htpc to also handle a single upper mask, for the screen.)
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I have a real soft spot for these cozy small theatre builds, and I think yours looks amazing so far. I'll be following along here to see how it turns out. Great start so far!
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That rack display could be as simple as a sub 19" wide, computer monitor. There's also some smaller usb enabled
computer monitors out there I saw yesterday, that might be an option for a smaller 1080P screen.

You could run a htpc and use that digital movie poster display, if your av rack and digital movie poster display
are close together, right outside the theater. And that htpc could retire the Pioneer disc carousels.

I plan to host my media collection via CollectorZ, on my digital movie poster panel. (And I also plan for the
htpc to also handle a single upper mask, for the screen.)
Sorry I wasn't clear. A display small enough to fit between the rack rails would work... I was mostly curious about the mounting and trim panel.

Re: movieposter on a HTPC... Not to derail this thread too much about my future setup (I've got my own thread going, right?). I have a 3U/16-bay QNAP NAS that also runs a VM of Emby Server. Benefits of working in IT - surplus/retired servers and storage. So with storage handled, I'll just need a front end. Initially, it'll be the Oppo 103D (built-in DLNA client or network browsing), but the UI kinda sucks for those Oppo features... so I'll probably go for a hardwired Roku or similar that can run the Emby client app for maximum UI chooch factor, and control it on the demopad instance I'm allegedly building (haven't touched it in months).

So movieposter will be on some kind of mini/stick PC when the time comes, I suppose.

Dumping 3 carousels and replacing with a 3U NAS will net me a pretty good chunk of rack space.

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You were very clear.

I was merely suggesting that instead of spending on an expensive rack display, the use of the movie poster display's
multiple hdmi ports could give you a multi-tasking display solution, if the digital movie poster display is near the av rack.
Now the display would be 1080x1920, but that's still pretty useful.

I looked at your thread, and we have many very similar themes happening, but with some significant differences in hardware
execution. So I will subscribe, just to see what you are up to.... I am most curious to see why an It guy with access to displayed gear,
went with a NAS and a streaming solution?
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A few small updates. Got my rack finish done, movie poster, and can lights for theater came in.
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I think I’m just doing home runs with my wires seeing they won’t be exposed in the theater. Now to an update. I have not really worked on the theater room inside but working on rack and my digital poster frame. I got my rack display mounted and custom faceplate for it. Now I can do sound tests, cueing movies, and etc without running the projector. Allows me to mirror what’s in the room.

Last place I had my digital poster frame hung on the wall and when we moved I was going to not include the digital frame at all. But got to thinking and designing. Came up with a way to access the display from the front for changing media. Also added a front bottom passive air intake and a top fan exhaust on front, both are hidden. This weekend I hope to insulate walls and start hanging drywall then onto soffits. Also ordered my 3” led can lights and installed one above the av rack in the hall.
In the 2nd photo it appears that you're using the MPA form Meyers. However, the bottom metadata area is different in that it is two rows of square and rectangular icons, which is different than what I have. Is this some setting or did you customize one of the xml files?

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In the 2nd photo it appears that you're using the MPA form Meyers. However, the bottom metadata area is different in that it is two rows of square and rectangular icons, which is different than what I have. Is this some setting or did you customize one of the xml files?
That’s not MPA. It’s just posters on a USB stick. I made custom header and footer for each poster in PS. I’m going to use MPA shortly though.
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That’s not MPA. It’s just posters on a USB stick. I made custom header and footer for each poster in PS. I’m going to use MPA shortly though.
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Got a little done last night. Made the upper/lower fixed shelves for rack cooling fans and room air exchange plenum. The intake and exhaust for room and rack are separated by 7ft. I think this will be enough as the bottom is pulling air from a large vaulted livingroom at the bottom of the rack. The exhaust at the top of the rack is about 5 feet away from the main HVAC return. So with cold air sinking and hot air rising it should be ok. Plus in the theater I do have AC supply vents on top of the air exchange.
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Installed Roxul Safe and Sound last night. Ran out of Roxul so got some areas missing. Need to pick up some more then start drywalling.
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Most of the drywall is hung. Got some stuff into the rack so I can plan where to put the electrical outlets in the rack sides. Also cutout and put the 3 fan controllers into a 2RU rack plate. Seeing I’m not going to see drywall in the finished room (doing full fabric, soffits, and columns) I’m not going to finish the drywall. I think I’m just going to caulk the joints and a skim coat or mud. Maybe no mud, what does everyone think?
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Got a lucky find at one of my local Lowe’s stores. When I remodeled the whole house I used hollow core doors and then decided to make the third bedroom a theater. So in need of a solid core door I have been searching the stores for returns, customer special orders,etc. So finally tonight I found a slab solid core door. It had a price of $60 which was great to begin with but asked the sales person if they can go lower due to some scratches and such. He said how about $20. I said sold, lol. Now I have to trim the door and drill the handle bore, not a big deal, just happy scored a deal.
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Nice! I could use a find like that. (Of course I would have to be looking to find one. Door is on my list, so I suppose I should be...)

On the drywall I would still caulk and mud it, maybe not sand it all the way out depending on your treatment plan. No sense slaving away for a surface finish that will never be visible.

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Got some work done this weekend. With it raining I decided to pull the Ethernet cables from the Network area to the rack. Not so hot in the attic with the rain made it better. Plus one of the last things pulled before closing up the ceiling drywall. Put caulk on all drywall seams too. Then taped and muded the whole room. It’s going to stay that way seeing I’m doing full wall coverage with fabric, soffits, and columns. Also got the solid door cut, hinges fitted, and knob bored, plus painted. Now the entrance is basically finished.
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Subscribed. I'm also from South Florida and know the pain about cost of square footage and lack of basements. I hope to build my own mini theater one day too! I have an office that I thought about closing in all the windows and exterior doors and doing a build but I donno, I might knock the house down and build new in a few years so dropping the money on it is silly.

Yours is looking great.

What bulbs are those LEDs? MR16? Good call on getting warm white, the daylight balanced LEDs look really bad for some reason, even the good quality ones. Nice score on that solid wood door too. That makes a huge difference.
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Subscribed. I'm also from South Florida and know the pain about cost of square footage and lack of basements. I hope to build my own mini theater one day too! I have an office that I thought about closing in all the windows and exterior doors and doing a build but I donno, I might knock the house down and build new in a few years so dropping the money on it is silly.

Yours is looking great.

What bulbs are those LEDs? MR16? Good call on getting warm white, the daylight balanced LEDs look really bad for some reason, even the good quality ones. Nice score on that solid wood door too. That makes a huge difference.
The bulbs are an MR16 with GU10 base. The six pack recessed cans, led bulbs, and swivel gimbal for $55.

Yep, not having a basement stinks for the extra space and Sq ft is a killer, but I’m dealing with what we have.

Not much of and update. Having a hard time deciding on soffit size. I’m leaning to 10” tall x 16” wide. The 16” will include the 3” light tray section. This gives me enough room for my 6” insulated vent ducts, wires, and can lights. The issue is this going to be too big with my small room? I built a mock-up with cardboard about 5 ft long but it’s hard to get an idea still.

On another note I ordered my Middle Atlantic shelves with custom faceplates, 5 in total. Did not want to spend that much but already started the rack and might as well go down the rabbit hole.
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Not much of and update. Having a hard time deciding on soffit size. I’m leaning to 10” tall x 16” wide. The 16” will include the 3” light tray section. This gives me enough room for my 6” insulated vent ducts, wires, and can lights. The issue is this going to be too big with my small room? I built a mock-up with cardboard about 5 ft long but it’s hard to get an idea still.
That is part of the reason I got into sketchup to model things out. My normal goto is graph paper for making scale drawings when needed for my projects, but after making a few early drawings manually, I found it simply wasn't good enough to build a three dimensional space and get perspective of how the final product would look.

So I started learning sketchup just for my HT build, and by about the second night of working in it I had an accurate scale model of the bare room to start building things into, and it progressed from there into the renderings in my build thread (which are not super detailed, but they give scale and perspective which is what I needed).

There is a series of brief tutorial videos on sketchup that will let you hit the ground running: https://www.sketchup.com/learn/videos/826

This is a bit of a departure from HT building itself... but it is a free tool that might help you as much as it's helped me to visualize what you are planning without having to do full scale mock-ups, shoebox dioramas, or however else one might build a 3D representations of HT ideas....

I use sketchup make 2017, which is the last free version they offered that installed locally on your PC. Starting with 2018 the free version moved to web browser only which I am not a fan of. https://www.sketchup.com/download/all
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