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The next 'stage' moving forward will be for me to work out how much riser I can get away with in the room so I can attack as much of my run-away LFE as possible.

The plan is to do at least a 12" high riser across the entire width of the 23ft wide back wall, approx 36" in length, open chamber floating on u-boats with vents along the back and side walls. I'd like to be able to add a smaller riser for the front row of seats too, but I'm wondering if a 6" height first row is going to really add anything to my LFE absorption - maybe if I make it part of the same open chamber of the 12" riser behind?

I'm hoping @BIGmouthinDC or other fellow master builders would be willing to chime in and follow along with this part of the build.

As I am also building a 8-10" high stage at the front of the room, I'm hoping I can squeeze some extra mass in there too under the umbrella of 'every little helps'.

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...I'm wondering if a 6" height first row is going to really add anything to my LFE absorption - maybe if I make it part of the same open chamber of the 12" riser behind?
Check out my riser. I made a two tiered riser with one big chamber for LFE trapping. I don't have a baseline, but the bass in my room is much more tame that it was in my previous room. Could be luck, could be the riser. Who knows.

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Check out my riser. I made a two tiered riser with one big chamber for LFE trapping. I don't have a baseline, but the bass in my room is much more tame that it was in my previous room. Could be luck, could be the riser. Who knows.
I'm starting to get my head into trap builds, I also spent some time on the phone with Dennis Foley over at Acoustic Fields who gave me a quick Cliff notes style overview of my room and how much treatment I should aim for. Unfortunately I have neither the space nor the budget to purchase off the shelf freestanding treatments, so I'm going to have to try and squeeze out as much LFE control as I can with a large riser trap and go from there.

I started a thread dedicated to just the riser and design discussion here...

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My dedicated riser thread is a little quiet, but I'll keep it broken out as the subject needs a little more focus than burying it in the middle of this huge build thread.

So far I've got to this point where I've managed to incorporate my aesthetic goals, speaker placement and HFE control into the design. So everything that is gray in this render is bass treatment. As you can see I 'may' have to drop down to 5 seats due to space issues, but that's something I can deal with when I know the space I have left after addressing these more pressing acoustic issues.

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Added all the speakers to exact dimensions and put them in place. LCR are DIYSG 1099s, wides are ported Volt-6s, Subs in the front are SVS PB2000s, in the rear SB1000s, I'm just wondering if putting subs in corners is an absolute no-no????

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All power and lighting up and running. Construction mess cleaned out ready for the next stage.


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I'm just wondering if putting subs in corners is an absolute no-no????

Corner loading subs is fine. In fact it's helpful to help build bass a bit. And with subs in all corners you help level out any room nodes.
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I went through the whole room and remeasured everything as I haven't done it since all the drywall was completed.

I've updated the model to reflect all of those dimensions so I feel pretty confident that I'm looking at a very accurate representation of the room now. The only thing that has really changed that has an impact is the loss of a little more width than I thought I had, meaning that unless I can find a 'slimmer' style of seat then I will have to come down to 5 seats in the front row rather than 6. This is more of a pain than it may seem as between my girlfriend and myself we have 4 kids, so 6 seats really was the ideal amount for family movie time.

I would actually prefer a love seat in the middle for GF and me, then 2 singles each side for the 4 kids, so I need to see if I can find that arrangement with a maximum width of 180-185"



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Searcraft have setup with 6 in a row at 181" and a little more. If you went with the Napa with a center love seat it would be 177". Seatcraft is based in California, but not sure where.



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Searcraft have setup with 6 in a row at 181" and a little more. If you went with the Napa with a center love seat it would be 177". Seatcraft is based in California, but not sure where.



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That is really great news, I'll definitely check them out

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Thinking about your bass trapping question, are these closet areas going to be utilized for anything? If not, it seems like you could pile some bales of insulation in there and then cover with some curtains or fabric treatment. The riser could work too, but unfortunately I don't think there's a lot of people who can say for sure. At least not without paying them. I think it would fall under the, "it couldn't hurt" category. I wouldn't put it on uboats though. You want it sealed to the floor to trap the pressure waves.
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Same boat - wife and 4 kids - so even though my room is small, it has to seat everyone....

I'm working on an order with Camatic. They are a commercial seating manufacturer out of Australia, mostly known for stadium and concert hall type installations, but they have a theater recliner line which is popular domestically (for them - in Oz). I encountered their recliners at a newly-built Alamo Drathouse near me and thought they might be a fit since they appeared much narrower than anything I could find from other MFGs, and they were wall-away design which I need. Connected the dots, got in touch with them, and it looks like I'll be ordering soon.

http://www.camatic.com/cinema/produc...encia%20Motion - I'm doing a 22" seat with 5" shared arms, in the Valencia Motion since I need the wall-away recline action.

Given your larger room size, I am sure you'll be able to find some viable options from US-based companies. Over a row of 5, it wouldn't take much compromise in seat and/or arm width to be able to fit a 6th seat. Personal opinion, the recliners don't have to be mega-huge and overstuffed to be comfortable (others may think differently and that's OK too...).

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Yep the seats are going to need a little extra special attention. One of the reasons it's a little tight is that the widest part of the arc of seats lines up almost exactly with the columns for my side surround speakers so they are both competing for the same axis of space. I'm not prepared to lose those columns as they are in integral part of the room aesthetic, so I'm just going to have to find a way to trim inches where I can. At the end of the day there isn't going to be massive amounts of foot traffic moving up behind the main row of seats, so if it's a little tight at 24" wide then so be it.
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Edge lit columns, paired with full height fabric panels. Most of the columns have a down-lit display shelf where I can place movie nik-naks, models etc. Pretty happy with this look...

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I've had to kill the idea of bringing the 8" riser all the way under the first row due to the height restraints of my screen position, it would put viewers eyeballs too high above center screen, so I'm going back to having the front row on the floor and keeping the riser behind. There's enough room in the back to bring in some chairs for when we want to 'pack the house'.



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With 4 kids in the house, definitely don't give up on having 6 seats. This seems like it should be a critical aspect of the theatre. What's the alternative... "sorry________, no room for you to watch with us tonight. Maybe next time!"

You can make seating for 6 happen in a number of ways, it'll just take a little more work. But IMO it will absolutely be worth the trouble. What's the hard constraint on the width measurement you set above, is that column to column?

Edit: just scrolled back up now that I'm not phone posting... so the 185" constraint is to keep some space around the sides for movement it seems. That's good, because at least it can be more of a "target" which you can exceed by some amount, rather than a hard wall-to-wall measurement where you have no flexibility.

I think Big might have pointed out the Fusion Lagoon 1011 as the more space-friendly design from Roman, and although there doesn't seem to be a 6-seat config on the site, by my (estimated) calcs you should be able to fit a loveseat and 4 chairs in either a straight config, or with angled armrests on either side of the loveseat for just about 185".


Edit2: My bad, it looks like the Jive 1012 is actually even narrower.

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With 4 kids in the house, definitely don't give up on having 6 seats. This seems like it should be a critical aspect of the theatre. What's the alternative... "sorry________, no room for you to watch with us tonight. Maybe next time!"

You can make seating for 6 happen in a number of ways, it'll just take a little more work. But IMO it will absolutely be worth the trouble. What's the hard constraint on the width measurement you set above, is that column to column?

Edit: just scrolled back up now that I'm not phone posting... so the 185" constraint is to keep some space around the sides for movement it seems. That's good, because at least it can be more of a "target" which you can exceed by some amount, rather than a hard wall-to-wall measurement where you have no flexibility.

I think Big might have pointed out the Fusion Lagoon 1011 as the more space-friendly design from Roman, and although there doesn't seem to be a 6-seat config on the site, by my (estimated) calcs you should be able to fit a loveseat and 4 chairs in either a straight config, or with angled armrests on either side of the loveseat for just about 185".


Edit2: My bad, it looks like the Jive 1012 is actually even narrower.

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Awesome, I think once I have the riser and columns taped out then i can feel 100% about the space. Computer renders and layouts are a huge help but nothing beats masking tape on the floor to give you a proper feel for a space.

Glad that i will have some choices even with my difficult space.

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If you haven't already, you may want to check out BrolicBeast's theater. He did edge lit panels and designed them so the actual lights weren't visible, just the wash. Your setup is a little different but it might give you some ideas on how to mount your lights.
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If you haven't already, you may want to check out BrolicBeast's theater. He did edge lit panels and designed them so the actual lights weren't visible, just the wash. Your setup is a little different but it might give you some ideas on how to mount your lights.
Thanks I'll check out his approach, I've done similar stuff before on other projects where I recess the back of the fixture and then insert RGB LED strips so they fire out of the recess without you being able to see the light itself. All of the accent lighting will be wifi/app controlled RGB so I'll be able to completely change the color and brightness of every item either individually or as a group. I fyou look back at the bar build earlier in the thread you'll see how I used it there.
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I spoke with Roman from Fusion seating this morning and was happy to find that I can very easily work within my dimensions with a seat like the Fusion Jive. By keeping the center 4 seats straight and just toeing in the outermost, I can have a row of 6 individual seats in 176" width, if I choose to go with a love seat in the middle it comes down even further to 170". Keeping that width as tight as possible is going to help a lot with viewing angle and acoustics for those outer most seats too as well as obviously making passage along the sides of the theater much more open.







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Fun thread/build!

I got the Jives earlier this year. Their toe-in angle appears to me to be less than that of some other models (I had Berkeline 090 before).

My row of 4 seats,
I0V0I0V0I (just the outer two curved),
I find to not have as much angle toward the screen as I would like at the outer seats (seats are 10.5' from a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen).
I would have preferred I0V0V0V0I (all curved).

As such, I'd recommend only zero or 2 straight:
IOVOVOVOVOVOI (all curved; perhaps too wide for you)
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IOVOVOOVOVOI (loveseat; all curved)
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IOVOVOIOVOVOI (2 straight)

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Fun thread/build!

I got the Jives earlier this year. Their toe-in angle appears to me to be less than that of some other models (I had Berkeline 090 before).

My row of 4 seats,
I0V0I0V0I (just the outer two curved),
I find to not have as much angle toward the screen as I would like at the outer seats (seats are 10.5' from a 120" diagonal 16:9 screen).
I would have preferred I0V0V0V0I (all curved).

As such, I'd recommend only zero or 2 straight:
IOVOVOVOVOVOI (all curved; perhaps too wide for you)
or
IOVOVOOVOVOI (loveseat; all curved)
or
IOVOVOIOVOVOI (2 straight)
Thanks for this input, yes the angle is important so I'll definitely keep this in mind when I come to order my seats.

Here are the dimensions Roman sent me...

- curved set of 6 IOVOVOVOVOVOI ~183” wide
- curved set of 6 with the loveseat IOVOVOOVOVOI ~175” wide
- set of 6 with the outside chairs angled in IOVOIOIOIOVOI ~175.5” wide
- set of 6 with the outside chairs angled in and a loveseat IOVOIOOIOVOI ~170.25” wide
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What size screen are you going with, I can't remember? This making me think m oi re about taking a wall down and making my room 21'x26'. I could fit a row of 6 like you are doing and build a bar behind it for party's. I like the renderings.
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I'm going with a 120" 16:9 AT screen.

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Put together a test column in about an hr.

1" pine all around, came to about $60 in materials to build a piece 84" tall, 12" wide and 8" deep, $35 less than you would pay for IKEA junk the same size (BILLY). I'll be hiding the surround speakers in these and displaying movie figurines etc

I'll shim them about 3/4" from the wall so I can run the LED strip behind them along the shims.



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Another solid day of building under my belt, finished framing out the riser and stage areas.



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Double R19 to make the 12" height of the riser, single R19 everywhere else.



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