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After spending some time thinking about engineering I'm considering a drastic change in direction. The room was starting to feel horribly cramped, and I want to stick to some of the tried and tested rules for speaker layout. I'm playing with this idea to achieve a much wider sound stage with speakers housed behind my screen, a proper 'out of room' A/V closet, a much more social and practical seat layout etc etc...



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Taped out the space. Helps me get a real world feel. The entrance hall needs to be at least 40" internal width as not to feel cramped. That leaves me with a theater internal width of 19'

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I like the new design but do you really need a dedicated bar? I mean how much time do you really plan to stand behind there verses lounging with friends? I just feel like that is a bit of wasted space for what is already limited valuable space, I would put small wet bar against the wall adjacent to the kitchen wall so you can tap into the same plumbing and move your pinball machines to where the bar side was so you can fit more of them. Ditch the hallway for the theater and just double wall the main theater wall so you gain all that space to either make the theater larger so the speakers are not so close to the people on the ends. or make the lounge larger for larger seating.

Sorry for the crude drawing, Im at work and had to do this quickly so my boss wouldnt see me lol...
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Projector: BenQ w1500 + ES Sable 135" 16:9 Screen AVR: Marantz SR6011 ATMOS/DTSX + Unity 2ch Amp + Darbee 5000s Speakers: Polk Audio TSX550t (FL/FR), CS2 Series II (C), FXiA6 (SL/SR), Monitor40 Series II (RL/RR), TSx110B (Ceiling FL/FR RL/RR) LFE: (2) JL Audio 12" Subs + (2) Dayton 15" Subs + (2) ButtKicker LFE Arrangement: 7.1.4 Source: OPPO UDP-203 4k Bluray Player, HTPC, nVidia Shield TV Pro, Hauppauge OTA DVR

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Also in your most recent render is your room only 12ft deep? that wont be enough of a distance from projector lens to screen for most projectors unless you are aiming for an 8-9 foot diagonal screen? they need around 13-15ft, unless you plan to get a Ultra Short throw 4k projector or once they decide to make them some short throw 4k projectors???

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I like the single row better from the social perspective. Just make sure of the aforementioned projector throw question, as well as viewing angles sitting too close:

https://myhometheater.homestead.com/...alculator.html

That link was a very helpful planning tool for my theater. We’re at 35 degrees with about 14.5’ viewing distance from a 125” diagonal 16:9 screen. For my father in law, this is bordering on uncomfortable particularly with sports like hockey etc. For movies it’s about perfect for the family.

THX recommendation is 36 degrees at a 14” distance for this screen. I often see elaborate home theaters posted with much smaller viewing angles..I don’t see the point if you’re building an immersive home theatre experience :-)

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I like the new design but do you really need a dedicated bar? I mean how much time do you really plan to stand behind there verses lounging with friends? I just feel like that is a bit of wasted space for what is already limited valuable space, I would put small wet bar against the wall adjacent to the kitchen wall so you can tap into the same plumbing and move your pinball machines to where the bar side was so you can fit more of them. Ditch the hallway for the theater and just double wall the main theater wall so you gain all that space to either make the theater larger so the speakers are not so close to the people on the ends. or make the lounge larger for larger seating.

Sorry for the crude drawing, Im at work and had to do this quickly so my boss wouldnt see me lol...
It's a fair question, but the bar really doesn't take much more floor space than a 3 person couch, and I can sit at least 4 people at the bar (5 with someone behind). The reality is less of a practical reason, I simply like the idea of having a bar, the same way I like the idea of having a movie theater, which I also don't 'need' lol

As for the throw distance, yes it is something I have some concern about. If I stay vigilant and do a little jiggery pokery I can squeeze out about 12'6 - 13ft of throw. I know I'm cutting it close like that but I do have to accept the limits of my space, budget and all the other headaches of building in an existing structure. I solve one headache only top be confronted with another.
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Seating for 9 in the bar area, two pins and an arcade cab.



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Measuring out the interior width of the theater at 19.5 feet (234") and calculating a curved row of 6 seats with the center 2 as a love seat (I know my renders show 6 individual seats) at 186" wide, gives me 24" either side of the seating. So yes the outermost seats will be quite close to the walls, but not so close that someone couldn't walk by and around the rear of the seats if need be. As the outermost seats will be the least used I'm not too concerned about that, after all I have to base my design choices and compromises on the most frequent use style of the theater which would probably break down as follows...

2 or less viewers - 60% of the time
2-4 viewers - 35% of the time
more than 4 viewers 5% of the time

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What kind of speakers do you plan to use for the front stage? you may not need that much space behind the screen which will make it easier on your projector selection by giving you that extra 1 or so feet. Especially if you go with in wall speakers to go behind the screen. (Which has come a LONG way in sound quality)

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What kind of speakers do you plan to use for the front stage? you may not need that much space behind the screen which will make it easier on your projector selection by giving you that extra 1 or so feet. Especially if you go with in wall speakers to go behind the screen. (Which has come a LONG way in sound quality)
I'm hoping to use 3 identical towers for LCR speakers but yes it would be nice if I could pull some extra inches into the room by decreasing the distance behind the screen a little.

I was also wondering should I be putting the left and right speakers on the far reaches of the rooms width? My screen will probably be 9 - 10ft wide which will leave almost 5ft on each side. In this case should I be trying to make the sound stage really wide or should it be closer to the screen width.

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Have you thought about five seats, and simply bring a seat in, for when a sixth seat is needed?

The advantage is you get that centered time aligned optimal seat, and you don't have quite the large variance in throw distance
for the side surrounds. I also am thinking that maybe a 5.1.4 might be a superior speaker layout, for a single row wide/shallow style layout.
Have you ever seen Waterfall Audio's single row theaters?

Have you considered quality in wall speakers up front? You could adjust the hall area and get some niches for big DIY subs there?

Have you looked at projector throw distances, for various sizes?

Are you a movie poster collector? Have you seen all the various digital movie poster displays being done?

If you put your LR mains in the far reaches of the room, you need to look at what their radiation pattern is. Get that speaker spread too wide,
and you won't have good sound at the outer seats.
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All good questions and considerations that I need to spend time researching and learning about Tedd. Thanks for bringing them up here, it's nice to have a single place to gather all the thoughts and opinions.

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We do seem to be following the same design thought processes, and design curve.

You might be interested in this: It's part of my small lobby wantitis. Some of the OP's originally pictures are further down in the thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/32-the...ay-got-me.html
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We do seem to be following the same design thought processes, and design curve.

You might be interested in this: It's part of my small lobby wantitis. Some of the OP's originally pictures are further down in the thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/32-the...ay-got-me.html
Cool stuff. I'll be building a digital poster for the outside wall of the theater that is in the bar side of the room. In the hallway I'll just be doing traditional prints.

If I don't need to pull my speakers all the way to the edge of the room I'd like to have a little space to put a life size Boba Fett costume on one side and build an astromech for the other in the future. A friend of mine builds a lot of movie props so it's on the bucket list for years into the future.

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Based around the Optoma UHZ65 my installation will be tight and I'll have to watch every inch of the throw distance, but I'll be hitting my 120" diagonal at around 40-49 calibrated FL depending on screen gain 1.0 - 1.3 which will give me the power I need for a strong HDR performance (as far as affordable projectors go).

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While I'm waiting for the bigger things to get underway I decided to start on the smaller bits and pieces in the bar area.

The corner where I want to put the bar has some nasty opaque white plastic panel windows...



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I'm going to block them in with 3/5 plywood and run some cabling to place a TV and soundboard up there.

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I added extra bracing behind the TV mounting area and routed out channels for 2x 18gbps HDMI cables, power and ethernet

I think I'm going to cover this area in mini stone bricks or reclaimed barn oak slats.

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While I was picking up some materials at Lowes yesterday I saw this really cool coffered ceiling effect using a suspended ceiling system. The wow factor is pretty awesome and would add an amazing level of finish to the theater room itself, especially if I also integrated a small section of fiber optic star panels too.

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ceiling tiles

I looked at Lowe's and Home Depot for ceiling tiles for my build and ended going with ceilume. Much more economical and better options. They were very easy to work with.

https://www.ceilume.com/

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I looked at Lowe's and Home Depot for ceiling tiles for my build and ended going with ceilume. Much more economical and better options. They were very easy to work with.

https://www.ceilume.com/

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Ahh very cool, thanks for this tip. Originally I had thought about just using my existing 10ft ceiling, but I love the creative impact that these options create.
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Cabling and tv mount done. I've been checking out stacked brick faux finish panels which is probably what I'll go with

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Finished up this corner today with a faux stack stone backdrop for the 65" TV that will float above the bar. Pretty happy to have turned this eyesore corner into a nice feature to add to the room.



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After spending more time in the space over the weekend finishing up the TV wall, I flip-flopped on my hallway idea and have pulled it out again. Although it's nice, it is indeed taking up too much valuable space, so I ditched the concessions counter as the bar is pretty close anyway, and consolidated the AV closet into the front wall as there is plenty of space for it there. (Maybe I could mirror it on the other side of the screen with a mini concessions bar????)

Anyway this gives more space to both rooms and removes a existing window-blanking issue I would have had to deal with.



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Taped out the modest bar area tonight, I'm practicing restraint and keeping it small as not to crowd the room



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Figured I better invest in a good miter saw as I'll be doing a lot of chopping. Found this gently used DWS780 at a local pawn shop for $300, it's a beast, can handle up to 2x16, double bevel and has an LED cut guide that uses the actual shadow of the blade rather than a laser which is pretty genius.



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I like this design a lot. It looks like it makes the best use of the space.
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I like this design a lot. It looks like it makes the best use of the space.
Thanks!! Yes using the extended width of the room (now I have shifted through 90 degrees) makes way more sense. That being said I have brought the concessions bar back into the design, having it on this back wall also allows for me to tap into existing plumbing if I wanted to include a small sink which is even better.



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Looks like even bass response will be tricky with the seating positions, but a standard four-corner layout may help even it out. What is the distance between the screen and MLP?

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