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@trhought - i am so intrigued by the BOSS; I want it! Thanks for developing and sharing your ideas for what, to me, is one of the most intriguing designs I have seen to bring TR to a HT!

Problem is I don't know if I have room under my reclining seats for the drivers. See below. I really want to build this thing. Suggestions, thoughts? I will pull any measurements from my seats if that helps?


This looks almost exactly like the underside of my HT chairs. No way will the driver fit, so I'm going to do what Tim is talking about with putting the drivers behind the chairs.



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PSA: These JBL's are on sale right now at Best Buy for $29.99.....the GX1200's. Get 'em while you can!


Nice! I just bought 6, so I'm up to 7 total including the one I already have. So, 4 for the individual HT chairs in the front row and 3 for the back row riser with the couch on it.

I'm ready to roll with 1 of the drivers this weekend. I have everything I need except for the bumper feet you recommend which will get here on Wednesday. In the meantime I'll try it with my Crowson isolators. Should be fun!
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Now I just have to think of a creative way to hide the drivers that will be behind the chairs.

For my main seat I'm thinking of putting in a platform that will cover the driver and at the same time allow for me to stack my NF sub on top. That way I can get the low end feel from the BOSS and the chest punch of the NF sub.
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I just wanted to share At this time the GX1200 is on sale at bestbuy.com
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Now I just have to think of a creative way to hide the drivers that will be behind the chairs.

For my main seat I'm thinking of putting in a platform that will cover the driver and at the same time allow for me to stack my NF sub on top. That way I can get the low end feel from the BOSS and the chest punch of the NF sub.
Great thinking carp! Sounds like a great plan. Hoping everything fits OK!

Have you thought about raising the riser a few inches.....that would probably allow the JBL's to clear underneath your recliners. Maybe, you don't have the room....I recall your ceiling heights were low to begin with....I think. My memory isn't as good as it used to be...lol.
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Great thinking carp! Sounds like a great plan. Hoping everything fits OK!

Have you thought about raising the riser a few inches.....that would probably allow the JBL's to clear underneath your recliners. Maybe, you don't have the room....I recall your ceiling heights were low to begin with....I think. My memory isn't as good as it used to be...lol.
My riser is already to the point where pepole around 6' 3" or taller could possibly hit their head as they exit the riser because of the beam which hangs down around 10 inches from the ceiling, and that beam is right next to where you step down off of one of the sides of the riser. I did put some of those child safety pads on it so it won't really hurt too much. I'm 6'1" so I would be fine with raising the riser a bit for the new isolation feet that you use, but I don't what to have to raise it more than that.
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PSA: These JBL's are on sale right now at Best Buy for $29.99.....the GX1200's. Get 'em while you can!
That figures. Just had mine delivered yesterday! Now I got to drive back to Anchorage and get a price adjust. But thanks for the heads-up on the sale!

I'm also in the same boat as some others with the chairs being motorized. Would you happen to know how far above the plywood (when using a single 3/4" piece) the speaker sits when mounted?

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My riser is already to the point where pepole around 6' 3" or taller could possibly hit their head as they exit the riser because of the beam which hangs down around 10 inches from the ceiling, and that beam is right next to where you step down off of one of the sides of the riser. I did put some of those child safety pads on it so it won't really hurt too much. I'm 6'1" so I would be fine with raising the riser a bit for the new isolation feet that you use, but I don't what to have to raise it more than that.
^^^^ Oh yeah, not a good situation....another safety hazard to avoid for sure!

I saw you're getting the prescribed isos which I think you will like a lot. Curious your thoughts between the Crowson isos and the BOSS isos. The Crowson isos looked stiffer but it's so hard to tell from the pictures. In general, the softer the isos, the more TR you will get with the BOSS. Won't be long and you'll be enjoying crazy ULF and TR in every seat of your theater!
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That figures. Just had mine delivered yesterday! Now I got to drive back to Anchorage and get a price adjust. But thanks for the heads-up on the sale!

I'm also in the same boat as some others with the chairs being motorized. Would you happen to know how far above the plywood (when using a single 3/4" piece) the speaker sits when mounted?
Hey brazensol....Hopefully it'll be worth the gas and your time to make the trip for the price-match!

I just measured my mini-riser BOSS with 3/4" thick plywood....the top of the JBL magnet is 5.25" above the top of the BOSS platform.
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Hey brazensol....Hopefully it'll be worth the gas and your time to make the trip for the price-match!

I just measured my mini-riser BOSS with 3/4" thick plywood....the top of the JBL magnet is 5.25" above the top of the BOSS platform.
Since I paid $65.00/ea for 6 of them it'll be worth it! Besides we have to go to Anchorage tomorrow or Sunday for groceries from the base commissary (my wife is still active duty and I'm retired). Groceries are much cheaper at the base than on the local Alaskan economy. As it happens I was in Anchorage this morning (Dr. appointment) and picked up a 65" Vizio P65 F1 at Best Buy. I was going to get the LG B8 (which was waiting for me to pick up at the base exchange) but decided it just wasn't worth twice the price. So all in all I'm saving about ~$1210.00!
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Thanks for measuring! That might be hard to work around.

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That tv is a great value @brazensol , don't look back. There's going to be quite a few stoked enthusiasts in here shortly.
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@trhought - you say the more rigid the riser the better eh? Fair enough, 3 layers of 3/4 inch void free plywood for a 48 x 32 x 2.25 inch riser is going to extremely rigid.
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Since I paid $65.00/ea for 6 of them it'll be worth it! Besides we have to go to Anchorage tomorrow or Sunday for groceries from the base commissary (my wife is still active duty and I'm retired). Groceries are much cheaper at the base than on the local Alaskan economy. As it happens I was in Anchorage this morning (Dr. appointment) and picked up a 65" Vizio P65 F1 at Best Buy. I was going to get the LG B8 (which was waiting for me to pick up at the base exchange) but decided it just wasn't worth twice the price. So all in all I'm saving about ~$1210.00!
Definitely worth the drive then! Enjoy your trip and looking forward to learning more about your BOSS build and experience! The first Alaskan BOSS....lol.
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@trhought - you say the more rigid the riser the better eh? Fair enough, 3 layers of 3/4 inch void free plywood for a 48 x 32 x 2.25 inch riser is going to extremely rigid.
LOL...That should do it! Will make fitting those 15's a bit easier too I'd imagine!

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I think I'm going to say screw it and not have the mini riser(s) stick out in front of the chairs. I recline almost all of the time anyway, and it will be easier to just hide the risers under the chairs. I just don't think I could make it look good with the curved front row, and then there is the whole tripping hazard to think about.

When I have people over for a movie they always recline too.
I would like to have no riser sticking out in front of the seats, to avoid the tripping hazard.

However, I don't have recliners. The viewers would still feel TR through their seats, but not through their feet. Is that an issue, or not?

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^^^^ @Ford Prefect Good Question.....the realism is maximized if you have your feet along with your entire body being moved by the platform.

Having said that, the ULF and TR from the BOSS will still deliver a very natural and impactful experience even without the foot platform. I use my foot platforms (front and back rows) primarily for enhancing the music experience. With movies, the visual cues are enough to make the experience natural and real. Plus, I find myself drawing my legs up onto the chair or couch anyway during movies so no big deal.

For whatever reason, I prefer to listen to music with my feet on the floor, or one leg crossed over the other with one foot still on the ground. That's just my music listening pose...lol. When there's no visual cues on the screen and I'm getting swept away by music only, the platform helps a lot I've found.

Hope these perspectives help!
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I just fired it up for the first time, listening to some music and it's very impressive.

I started with some metal and it has all the feel I would ever want, way more headroom than needed actually.

Next I put on some Bassotronics. Hmmm... what happened to the 8 hz centered quick hitting tone and the drawn out 17 hz centered tone? So I tried some test tones and sure enough there is VERY strong feel down to around 30 hz and then it starts to drop off rapidly. I can barely feel 20hz and can't feel 10hz at all.

It has to be that the isolators are too stiff for the low stuff.

Also I do notice that I feel it slightly more in the legs (reclined) than I do in the rest of my body. I'm hoping Tim's recommended isolators address that too.

I am so impressed though! The bass feel above 30hz is fantastic. Love it. Can't wait to get the other isolators!

Thanks Tim for sharing this ingenious idea!
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Hey carp....Great to hear you got it built and running! Absolutely.....the prescribed isolators will help big time with the single digit frequencies and overall response will roll off quite naturally at the higher frequencies where it should. Won't be long and you'll be enjoying that single digit ULF and TR that will feel so natural. Keep us posted when you get the new isolators.....hopefully they get there earlier than expected...fingers crossed!
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@carp Just thought of something else you could try until the softer isolators get there. If you have enough of the stiffer isolators, stack them on top of one another if you want to play around. That will cut their spring rate in half and lower the BOSS response from ~30Hz that you're getting now down to ~15-20Hz. The really soft ones I prescribe will easily get you into the single digits.
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@carp Just thought of something else you could try until the softer isolators get there. If you have enough of the stiffer isolators, stack them on top of one another if you want to play around. That will cut their spring rate in half and lower the BOSS response from ~30Hz that you're getting now down to ~15-20Hz. The really soft ones I prescribe will easily get you into the single digits.
@trhought Great idea, done and done.





Worked like you would expect, now I'm pretty strong down close to 15hz. When playing Bass I Love You the 17hz tone is very strong. If I crank the volume way up I can just barely feel 10hz.

Oh, I forgot to mention earlier that I am using a house curve eq on the minidsp so it is a bit of a cheat. Without that the low stuff is still pretty weak compared to above 30. However, since I was running that same EQ curve before with 1 isolator it is an apples to apples comparison to stacking 2 of the Crowson isolators.

I can definitely feel the difference just sitting on the chair and moving my weight around a little bit, the chair has a lot more "float" to it.
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So Carp, with the low stuff being weak without the minidsp, do you think that’s a result of still not having soft enough isolators or maybe not rigid enough platform?
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@trhought Great idea, done and done.

Worked like you would expect, now I'm pretty strong down close to 15hz. When playing Bass I Love You the 17hz tone is very strong. If I crank the volume way up I can just barely feel 10hz.

Oh, I forgot to mention earlier that I am using a house curve eq on the minidsp so it is a bit of a cheat. Without that the low stuff is still pretty weak compared to above 30. However, since I was running that same EQ curve before with 1 isolator it is an apples to apples comparison to stacking 2 of the Crowson isolators.

I can definitely feel the difference just sitting on the chair and moving my weight around a little bit, the chair has a lot more "float" to it.
carp....glad it helped soften the ride a bit! You'll be surprised how soft the prescribed isolators are and what they will do for the single digit content. Looks great! Enjoy your new ride....it's only gonna get better!
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So Carp, with the low stuff being weak without the minidsp, do you think that’s a result of still not having soft enough isolators or maybe not rigid enough platform?
Hey Greg, I just replied to your PM.

I don't know. I hope it's not the platform because it is 3/4 plywood and seems pretty rigid and I don't want to have to stack another on top of it....

So yeah I hope it's the isolators and I think it is. They really don't compress much.
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So speaking of platform rigidity, should I do 1” thick 13 ply Baltic Birch or dual layer 3/4”? Keeping in mind my drivers will be on the back side of my seating.
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^^^^ @gpmbc I think either will work. If it were me, I'd go with the least cost option. If your overall mini-riser height is a concern, the 1" birch would probably be better to save the 1/2". If riser height isn't a concern, you may even be able to build a thicker riser and move the JBL's underneath the chair if that's possible. If you have the JBL's already, just tilt your chair up and place one of the JBL's where you think it will fit. Slowly lower the chair until it hits the magnet. Measure the distance from the bottom of the chair leg to the floor. That's how thick your riser will have to be.

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Thanks Tim, I’ve got my drivers and isolators. When I get back in town, just gotta get wood and I’m good to go.
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So yeah I hope it's the isolators and I think it is. They really don't compress much.
Hell yes it is. Hope you bought extra, double them up to!
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Did you double up up for the VS measurements in the VS thread, or just stay with the single layer Iso's?

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Did you double up up for the VS measurements in the VS thread, or just stay with the single layer Iso's?
Im doubled up for all measurements. Im also on basement slab, closed room. Staying that way to be sure, could always turn it down but it will never happen. I have my doubled like snowman. Highly recommend doubling
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^^^ Cool, do the iso's and platform stay in place that way pretty good and not slip off/slide around much? So you mean round side to round then right?

Pretty big diff in feel going from single to doubled huh?

EDIT:I guess if one is going to double up, you could go with the 1.25” hemisphere instead of the 2.5” to keep height down a little. A little cheaper too. Maybe not quite as much mass to squish though with the smaller ones.

Are you using the 2.5" hemisphere iso's?

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