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Thanks. Matt. In simple terms would the non HD version be sufficient for loading Aron’s BEQ files on the input with a merged filter on the output for a BOSS system?
it depends on the filter

generally speaking if it involves significant significant filters with Fc < 15Hz then you might have a problem, many (most?) films don't have such filters though
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So is the only way to load the BEQ's in the non-HD version manually?
As far as I know, yes.
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I did not heed the warning of hanging onto the pause/volume button. My BOSS went into seizure mode. I think the gain of 3db on my BOSS is too much to handle.
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Anyone on the fence; now's the time to act. Best Buy has them on sale again!
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Anyone on the fence; now's the time to act. Best Buy has them on sale again!
Woot! Thanks. I knew they were going cheap for black friday but hadn't seen the price was already active. Just ordered another 4 just to have. I might make a box with them since I already have 4 sitting in storage for my new BOSS.

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Has anyone a particular scene/time stamp for testing really low LFE. I'm wishing to do a few tests. My go to scenes are generally - Flight of the phoenix 'barrel roll', WOW 'pod' and Oblivion 'coming in hot'.

Any better recommendations for showing what a BOSS can really do?
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Just wanted to update my SLAP&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;ed BOSS journey for those interested [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

So, to recap: pr seat i had the 4xJBL BOSS cantilevered with a NF box on top with 2xJBL+1x SLAPS M12 passive radiator downfiring for BOSS duty.

But i have now removed the JBL&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s from cantilevered BOSS, installed all 12 JBL&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s back in the 3 NF boxes i used from the beginning in sealed config, only now i put 2 SLAPS in each box, for a total of 6x SLAPS downfiring for BOSS duty. AND IT POUNDS!! The NF JBL/ SLAPS boxes alone surpassed the 6x Crowsons in the single digits! Miles better than the old combo [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] So the SLAPS work extremly well for BOSS duty [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] (each of them have a mms of ~580grams and a 4" Xmax).

So, pr seat it is now 6xJBL firing into your back, with 3xSLAPS DF shaking you silly (+the rest of the old setup of course, LOL).

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Old sealed config upper left.
First test of SLAPS upper right.
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Bad pic, but 6xSLAPS in lower right pic.



So the new config basically looks like the old sealed one, only they are mounted a little higher and bolted on top of the TR Sleds.

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Would the SLAPs downfiring in a box and the JBL BOSS work together? Or would they kinda be out of sync sometimes and cancel each other out?

If yes, maybe I'll just get the 3x12 box with a SLAPs in the middle (per Micheal) or stick with the 2 x12 stuffed and cut a hole for the SLAPs on top but won't put it on the platform.

Also not sure if the 2x12 box stuffed is big enough
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Hey guys. Finalizing my boss build. Just cut the 3 pieces of 10’ x 5’ plywood to size for my couch. It came out to approx 9’ x 2’. I have 3 3/4 plywood pieces. I think this would be rigid enough to have 6 jbls (2 under each of the 3 seats) but wanted to confirm. Otherwise i’ll put 1 jbl under each seat. I’ve found I have the space for 2 under each seat. Thanks.
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Would the SLAPs downfiring in a box and the JBL BOSS work together? Or would they kinda be out of sync sometimes and cancel each other out?

If yes, maybe I'll just get the 3x12 box with a SLAPs in the middle (per Micheal) or stick with the 2 x12 stuffed and cut a hole for the SLAPs on top but won't put it on the platform.

Also not sure if the 2x12 box stuffed is big enough
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By 3x12 you mean the box Micheal posted in the JBL thread, right? If so I wouldn't do that with a BOSS. You'll be using it as a VNF sub so you want the drivers firing at the back of your seating. You want the SLAP though firing down when on a BOSS to get the TR from it.

I don't think 2 driver version of the box will work either with cutting a hole for the SLAP. I'll have to double check the math when I get home but I don't think there is enough space inside for both the JBL and needed depth for the SLAP. (See my post in the JBL thread on it) The SLAP needs space. Both Nalleh and myself had to adjust for it.

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Hey guys. Finalizing my boss build. Just cut the 3 pieces of 10’ x 5’ plywood to size for my couch. It came out to approx 9’ x 2’. I have 3 3/4 plywood pieces. I think this would be rigid enough to have 6 jbls (2 under each of the 3 seats) but wanted to confirm. Otherwise i’ll put 1 jbl under each seat. I’ve found I have the space for 2 under each seat. Thanks.
You mean that you're going to laminate the 3 pieces together to make a 2.25" board, right? If so, that should be rigid enough. You can probably get away with only using 2 pieces but since you already have them cut I'd go with all three.

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Would the SLAPs downfiring in a box and the JBL BOSS work together?

By 3x12 you mean the box Micheal posted in the JBL thread, right? If so I wouldn't do that with a BOSS. You'll be using it as a VNF sub so you want the drivers firing at the back of your seating. You want the SLAP though firing down when on a BOSS to get the TR from it.

I don't think 2 driver version of the box will work either with cutting a whole for the SLAP. I'll have to double check the math when I get home but I don't think there is enough space inside for both the JBL and needed depth for the SLAP. (See my post in the JBL thread on it) The SLAP needs space. Both Nalleh and myself had to adjust for it.
Yes the 3 x12 box that Michael posted.
I do get the part that the SLAPs will be in the VNF. I was wondering if I had the VNF on top of the BOSS platform with JBL drivers in the platform would the SLAPs and jbl drivers counter act each other when out of synch/ phase? If so, then I won't put the vnfs on the platform.
That would be great if you can check the math for me. I guess with the PR I can't stuff the box too but at most line the walls with thicker batting.
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Overlord is one of the best I've sampled..
cheers Paul. I've yet to see 'Overlord' so i'd rather not use this one for now Got so many films to catch up on. Good news, my processor back . And have injected my squash balls with silicon ready for my BOSS comparison. Now on the hunt for another miniDSP to make my system less complicated
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I don't think 2 driver version of the box will work either with cutting a whole for the SLAP. I'll have to double check the math when I get home but I don't think there is enough space inside for both the JBL and needed depth for the SLAP. (See my post in the JBL thread on it) The SLAP needs space. Both Nalleh and myself had to adjust for it.
Ok saw your post about the SLAP hitting the JBLs. I don't mind spacers to push the SLAP out or even mounting it reversed, would probably be cool to watch, lol! I just want enough volume to be able to tune it down in the smallest enclosure wether I use them as vnf or farfield corner loaded as my room corner boosts 32hz down.
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Yes the 3 x12 box that Michael posted.
I do get the part that the SLAPs will be in the VNF. I was wondering if I had the VNF on top of the BOSS platform with JBL drivers in the platform would the SLAPs and jbl drivers counter act each other when out of synch/ phase? If so, then I won't put the vnfs on the platform.
That would be great if you can check the math for me. I guess with the PR I can't stuff the box too but at most line the walls with thicker batting.
Thanks!
Nalleh has his on his riser and I'm planning on having mine on mine. I'm still constructing it so I can't give definitives yet. Coat 2 of the finish is trying on my boxes right now and I'll hopefully do the BOSS rebuild next weekend.

I doubled checked and I don't think the 2 driver boxes will work with cutting a hole for the SLAP. The the SLAP is going to be touching the basket of the JBL when idle never mind in operation. The SLAPs have a lot of xmax that you have to have space for. The only way it might work is if you could remove the center wall between the drivers and have the SLAP perfectly centered. That's going to be a pain to do. I'd look at a different box.

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Ok saw your post about the SLAP hitting the JBLs. I don't mind spacers to push the SLAP out or even mounting it reversed, would probably be cool to watch, lol! I just want enough volume to be able to tune it down in the smallest enclosure wether I use them as vnf or farfield corner loaded as my room corner boosts 32hz down.
We just cross posted. I'd look at a different box over trying to add a space. We're looking at probably about a 2.5" spacer to get enough clearance. Mounting it reversed won't work either since it moves in both directions. Guess how I know this.

Also, careful when considering using them FarField. They recommend using the SLAPs only in pairs with them on opposite sides of the box to prevent the box from moving around on you. Having them only on one side will cause the box to walk. This behavior is what we're exploiting by putting them on top of the BOSS as VNF to get extra TR.

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Nalleh,
Would the SLAPs downfiring in a box and the JBL BOSS work together? Or would they kinda be out of sync sometimes and cancel each other out?

If yes, maybe I'll just get the 3x12 box with a SLAPs in the middle (per Micheal) or stick with the 2 x12 stuffed and cut a hole for the SLAPs on top but won't put it on the platform.

Also not sure if the 2x12 box stuffed is big enough
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Yes the 3 x12 box that Michael posted.
I do get the part that the SLAPs will be in the VNF. I was wondering if I had the VNF on top of the BOSS platform with JBL drivers in the platform would the SLAPs and jbl drivers counter act each other when out of synch/ phase? If so, then I won't put the vnfs on the platform.
That would be great if you can check the math for me. I guess with the PR I can't stuff the box too but at most line the walls with thicker batting.
Thanks!
Hi there. I suggest you take a gander at my thread, starting with SLAPS around here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post57849104

Lots of info, tests, graphs and pics

BOSS and VNF JBL/SLAPS work very well together, i have used that config no problem. I tried it with both the JBL’s and SLAPS frontfiring, but it is much more effective with the JBL’s front firing(into your back) and the SLAPS downfiring, as that will get you most PV and TR.

You don’t need a big box enclosure, i am at 1cuft pr driver now, and it works very well

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The only way it might work is if you could remove the center wall between the drivers and have the SLAP perfectly centered. That's going to be a pain to do. I'd look at a different box.
That's what I was thinking of doing, right in the middle and would remove some of the center divider material. But worried about the total volume of the box might not be enough.

I have all the wood working tools so I can make it work. I actually have Maple ply, laminated gloss mdf and plain mdf in the garage but don't really have the time to build a box.
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Hi there. I suggest you take a gander at my thread, starting with SLAPS around here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post57849104

Lots of info, tests, graphs and pics [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

BOSS and VNF JBL/SLAPS work very well together, i have used that config no problem. I tried it with both the JBL&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s and SLAPS frontfiring, but it is much more effective with the JBL&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s front firing(into your back) and the SLAPS downfiring, as that will get you most PV and TR.

You don&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;t need a big box enclosure, i am at 1cuft pr driver now, and it works very well [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Ok will read them tonite.
Yeah I saw that you reconfigured your box with the slaps on the bottom.

So 1cu.ft per driver, so if I can make one Slap fit in a 2cu ft box with 2 JBLs, how low can that go? thanks
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Ok will read them tonite.
Yeah I saw that you reconfigured your box with the slaps on the bottom.

So 1cu.ft per driver, so if I can make one Slap fit in a 2cu ft box with 2 JBLs, how low can that go? thanks
Take a look in the cheap 12" JBL thread (or mine).

Here is also some info :

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post58838262

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I’m having trouble finding the right rubber feet in the Netherlands. The Hudson hifi ones aren’t available here (and getting them from the UK is expensive).

I’ve found something like this, but it’s only 0.4” high: https://www.bol.com/nl/p/trillingsde..._pdp_iphoneapp

Would this work for a full size riser? Or are there any BOSS builds in the Netherlands? If so what did you use?


PS given the size and volume of this thread, would it be an idea to ask the administrators to create a separate ‘tactile response’ forum where questions like these can be separate threads? Could be a place to discuss not only boss but also buttkickers etc.
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I’m having trouble finding the right rubber feet in the Netherlands. The Hudson hifi ones aren’t available here (and getting them from the UK is expensive).

I’ve found something like this, but it’s only 0.4” high: https://www.bol.com/nl/p/trillingsde..._pdp_iphoneapp

Would this work for a full size riser? Or are there any BOSS builds in the Netherlands? If so what did you use?


PS given the size and volume of this thread, would it be an idea to ask the administrators to create a separate ‘tactile response’ forum where questions like these can be separate threads? Could be a place to discuss not only boss but also buttkickers etc.
There is a thread for that:

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I found feet like this: https://www.conrad.nl/p/pb-fastener-...1-stuks-522501 which have the 1” height.

They are ‘NR 60 Shore’ but I don’t know how to calculate that into duro’s?


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I found this:
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Looks like it's "wiper blade," which is much to hard for this use.
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I’m having trouble finding the right rubber feet in the Netherlands. The Hudson hifi ones aren’t available here (and getting them from the UK is expensive).

Would this work for a full size riser? Or are there any BOSS builds in the Netherlands? If so what did you use?
Same problem. I've been searching for a while now but still nothing to be found except for a lot of money from the UK. Weird how something like this is so hard to in the rest of Europe..
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Which is expensive as well
But I think there's no real alternative.. Did you get them there yourself? May I ask how much you paid for shipping and import tax?
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Hey guys. Finalizing my boss build. Just cut the 3 pieces of 10&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f; x 5&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f; plywood to size for my couch. It came out to approx 9&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f; x 2&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;. I have 3 3/4 plywood pieces. I think this would be rigid enough to have 6 jbls (2 under each of the 3 seats) but wanted to confirm. Otherwise i&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;ll put 1 jbl under each seat. I&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;ve found I have the space for 2 under each seat. Thanks.
You mean that you're going to laminate the 3 pieces together to make a 2.25" board, right? If so, that should be rigid enough. You can probably get away with only using 2 pieces but since you already have them cut I'd go with all three.
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Which is expensive as well
But I think there's no real alternative.. Did you get them there yourself? May I ask how much you paid for shipping and import tax?
It is worth it This is a quantity of 4.
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@Bnaan maybe we can combine a shipment? Lets dm for details.


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@ijansch and @Bnaan Have you checked out the alternate isolators in Post 29. They are from Parts Express. Not sure if PE delivers to your area but wanted to mention. These are good for full size riser BOSS setups since they're only 3/4" high. These aren't good for the mini-riser BOSS designs because those need to be taller. Here's a shortcut to the same alternate isolators linked in Post 29 right here.

Also, the 2.5" Hudson isos are more expensive than the 1.25" isos. If you have a full size riser BOSS, there's no need to spend the extra money on the larger 2.5" isos when the 1.25" will work fine.

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