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pardon my asking, but where are these 29.99 drivers that I am reading of? I see them for about 50 to 60 bucks each.

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Since I have 2 holes, and I already had to raise the riser I contacted pierce to see what a low budget, high mass and xmax option would be. Switching baskets shaves a 1.25" so that helps also its cheaper. Won't need more than 500 watts. He'll basically be matching what I have, shallower and hopefully a bit cheaper.
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Come on man! Lol, having the platform also being portable makes it hard to argue with that. I’m just not sure if the 15” Dayton Classic would be a big enough upgrade to justify dropping another $255 on three, and I already have the 6 JBLs on hand, but it would be much simpler to keep the same riser rather than spend another full day building a new one.

By going all out, I meant more with some pricier 15-18” drivers, like the Dayton Reference line with a much higher moving mass. If the unused 18” Dayton 460HO I have on hand would fit, I could just buy one more of those and be set for ($300 though), and a pair would be 1,000g mms, a bit more more Xmax, but a similar Fs to the JBL, seems the reference RS line specs would fit a BOSS build better than the high output line, but I have a spare HO already. I really want to stick with using all three drivers areas of my riser too, so a trio of higher output subs would get pricy fast.

I love a lot of TR, but I’m not sure at what point it’ll honestly be too much and is just total overkill. I really think I’m fast approaching that area. Watching The Wave at reference now, and I don’t feel I’m missing anything.

After typing this up, think I’ll sleep on my options a while and go from there.
@Sekosche - reading over your last 3-4 posts and maybe a few of your others on the subject in different threads, as exciting as adding more drivers and or bigger ones sounds (I'm sure they would add to the low end), as happy as you are with what you've got now with the 3 JBLs and MAs, FWIW, I think if I were you I'd just leave well enough alone and just enjoy the heck out of it right now. Then if you get board and want more later or when you move, then add more or bigger.

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Thanks for all the great info guys just pricing up what its going to cost me to build two platforms for my front & back rows my shopping list so far.





I presume a 4000 watt amp will be more than enough, I dont know if I can go lower with this or not to save some money.



I have a MiniDSP 2x4 that I will be using for applying EQ, I already have some speaker cable but what gauge should I be using?


Need to find a local lumber yard for the plywood, this seems to be what everyone is using.


I already have isolators on my recliners but I presume I will need more to isolate the BOSS platform from the floor?
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@AcousticSoul - along the lines of what trthought was alluding to, the xmech on the Dayton must be quite a bit more than 9mm and it may have a soft bottom design, because i can get it moving like crazy with no clank sounds. Im thinking it can handle more than 20 watts, im sure its seeing a fair bit more in spirited passages in my system.
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@Nalleh Here's a few pics. I left spacing everywhere underneath in between bays to keep from closing the spaces up. I think being too close to the ground and confining the drivers contributes to spl. Making sure I don't get another wild hair before I tidy it up and put the velvet or speaker cloth on it.
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@Gorilla Killa - you may be right about a small gap contributing to sound - Mark Seaton was thinking a small gap can lead to more trampoline effect though because the front wave pressure has more resistance and pushes up against the platform.
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Finally hooked up my nx3000d tonight. That single amp is subjectively louder than all four of my last iteration inuke DSP 6000's together. It's gotta go in the other room.

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Finally hooked up my nx3000d tonight. That single amp is subjectively louder than all four of my last iteration inuke DSP 6000's together. It's gotta go in the other room.
Did you fan mod the older 6000’s?
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Did you fan mod the older 6000’s?




Nope. They were the final iteration (3100 watts x 2 rating) before they moved to the new NX series. Each iteration of inuke I owned got quieter I think. The first iteration was REALLY loud, the hair dryer analogy was the joke - but it wasn't too far exaggerated when they were under load.



Second gen wasn't as bad, and third gen was downright respectful, and I've NEVER heard the fan spin up on this final generation - not even when solid clip lights for long periods of time (limiter lights in my case since I limit the channels to 1750 watts each channel (to prevent power cycling on my sealed UM18-22, (4 ohm load per channel)).

I owned one of three different generations. Not sure why they went backllouder again on the new NX series. Pretty surprisingly really. Here' I'll record something and throw it up on imagur for a comparison.

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Nope. They were the final iteration before they moved to the new NX series. Each iteration got quieter I think. I believe I owned one of three different generations. Not sure why they went louder again on the NX series. Pretty surprisingly really. Here' I'll record something and throw it up on imagur for a comparison.
I can modded both of my NX3000D’s. I don’t have an equipment room so they were way too loud.

I have a last gen inuke 6000 DSP in my garage that is fan modded - it is loud - but in the garage I can’t really hear it over the music playing - and my garage is quite large so unless you are right next to it you can’t hear it.
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Finally hooked up my nx3000d tonight. That single amp is subjectively louder than all four of my last iteration inuke DSP 6000's together. It's gotta go in the other room.
Oh the horror! I am not happy to hear that.

I have a new 3000 and 6000 to install and would have assumed they kept the fan noise down after the last iterations of the iNukes. I modded my old 3000. Anyone modded the new models?

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Oh the horror! I am not happy to hear that.

I have a new 3000 and 6000 to install and would have assumed they kept the fan noise down after the last iterations of the iNukes. I modded my old 3000. Anyone modded the new models?

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It is the same process as before.

These amps are made for professional audio where fan noise is a non issue. It is just a small percentage of crazies like us that use them in home environments
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It is the same process as before.



These amps are made for professional audio where fan noise is a non issue. It is just a small percentage of crazies like us that use them in home environments


Yeah but it’s nonsense they took a step backwards because they were clearly getting the message from their consumers that we wanted quieter fans


Here’s my video evidence at how much louder the NX3000D is. Not only louder but cheaper sounding higher pitched fan too.

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^^ Yeap, it is loud, luckily fan mod took me about 10 minutes. It is now dead silence







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@Nalleh Here's a few pics. I left spacing everywhere underneath in between bays to keep from closing the spaces up. I think being too close to the ground and confining the drivers contributes to spl. Making sure I don't get another wild hair before I tidy it up and put the velvet or speaker cloth on it.
Awsome, thanks

That is truly a big boy BOSS.
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@Sekosche - reading over your last 3-4 posts and maybe a few of your others on the subject in different threads, as exciting as adding more drivers and or bigger ones sounds (I'm sure they would add to the low end), as happy as you are with what you've got now with the 3 JBLs and MAs, FWIW, I think if I were you I'd just leave well enough alone and just enjoy the heck out of it right now. Then if you get board and want more later or when you move, then add more or bigger.

It really does sound like your system is giving you about everything you could want right now, which is awesome!! LOL how's that for relieving some of the pure pressure that's been going on lately and not just enabling here for MOAR hahaha
True.In my case a pair of cheap chinese brand Subwoofers are keeping me Happy on a single 3 . 4 mdf mini riser and your post made me stop and say maybe i will try more or better quality subwoofer next week or next month but for now i am just enjoying my humble diy tr in movie and music
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Interesting on the 3000D fan noise. I haven't plugged mine in yet but I can't say as I noticed any appreciable difference on my new 6000D vs the 6000DSP's. Glad I have an equipment room but might consider fan mods at some point down the road when things slow down. If that ever happens. I'm remodeling my house (everything on the first floor will get touched one way or another) as well as finishing the huge basement. It never ends...

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Come on man! Lol, having the platform also being portable makes it hard to argue with that. I’m just not sure if the 15” Dayton Classic would be a big enough upgrade to justify dropping another $255 on three, and I already have the 6 JBLs on hand, but it would be much simpler to keep the same riser rather than spend another full day building a new one.

By going all out, I meant more with some pricier 15-18” drivers, like the Dayton Reference line with a much higher moving mass. If the unused 18” Dayton 460HO I have on hand would fit, I could just buy one more of those and be set for ($300 though), and a pair would be 1,000g mms, a bit more more Xmax, but a similar Fs to the JBL, seems the reference RS line specs would fit a BOSS build better than the high output line, but I have a spare HO already. I really want to stick with using all three drivers areas of my riser too, so a trio of higher output subs would get pricy fast.

I love a lot of TR, but I’m not sure at what point it’ll honestly be too much and is just total overkill. I really think I’m fast approaching that area. Watching The Wave at reference now, and I don’t feel I’m missing anything.

After typing this up, think I’ll sleep on my options a while and go from there.


A little more but what about the DIYSG buyout 15”?

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So Pierce went off the rails price wise so that's a bust. FU Audio has these for $220 shipped, I may pick one up. 20mm xmax and 480g mms, decent motor strength. Similar to the SI HT18.

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Come on man! Lol, having the platform also being portable makes it hard to argue with that. I’m just not sure if the 15” Dayton Classic would be a big enough upgrade to justify dropping another $255 on three, and I already have the 6 JBLs on hand, but it would be much simpler to keep the same riser rather than spend another full day building a new one.

By going all out, I meant more with some pricier 15-18” drivers, like the Dayton Reference line with a much higher moving mass. If the unused 18” Dayton 460HO I have on hand would fit, I could just buy one more of those and be set for ($300 though), and a pair would be 1,000g mms, a bit more more Xmax, but a similar Fs to the JBL, seems the reference RS line specs would fit a BOSS build better than the high output line, but I have a spare HO already. I really want to stick with using all three drivers areas of my riser too, so a trio of higher output subs would get pricy fast.

I love a lot of TR, but I’m not sure at what point it’ll honestly be too much and is just total overkill. I really think I’m fast approaching that area. Watching The Wave at reference now, and I don’t feel I’m missing anything.

After typing this up, think I’ll sleep on my options a while and go from there.
I think someone hacked @SBuger account, trying to talk you off the ledge with all the TR he's surrounded by. Can you build a riser for 1 seat and put the 18 in it? That will give you a reference point for the 18, if more TR is wanted for little outlay of cash.
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I think someone hacked @SBuger account, trying to talk you off the ledge with all the TR he's surrounded by. Can you build a riser for 1 seat and put the 18 in it? That will give you a reference point for the 18, if more TR is wanted for little outlay of cash.

LOL ...yeah someone must have taken over my account yesterday, as that was not a usual SBuger answer/post was it hahaha.

Nah, seriously ...I thought I'd try to be sensible here for once with someone else's time, especially after what happened with @Nalleh recently by kind of taking a step or two back from that insane TR setup he previously had just to try something new after I kind of went crazy with it all and adding the BOSS into the mix. Although it's sent him into full blown TR experimental mode now and I'm sure what he'll come up with combo wise will just completely blow the doors off any of our TR setups. I hope so, and can't wait to see it!! I'm sure it will push and inspire me as well as others, like you and others have done already. It does keep it exciting I gotta say!!

I'm a TR junkie for sure and seem to never tire of chasing more TR, or better TR maybe I should say. But really, I should probably just leave well enough alone too, with what I have going right now and just start enjoying a lot of movies (I'm gettin way far behind on a lot of great new movies), instead of thinking about 18's and SLAPS etc. BUT, I do love to experiment with it all and trying to push the boundaries of TR. Most of the time, it's half the fun for me It sounded like Sekosche was kind of having a hard time deciding if adding more was the right move right now since he is so happy with what he has ATM. Once you get to that point, sometimes its just best to enjoy, at least for a little while LOL But if he wants to go for more, bigger and better and all that, ...cool, more power to him, I'm sure he'll get what he's after if he does go for it. And I'll enjoy reading about it and be truly be happy for him, as I think he's a all out crazy TR junkie as well, like a lot of us (or at least a handful of us) seem to be around here.

After the last couple if days with recent config experiments and whatnot of my own, I think I'm about to that point too and ready to just start enjoying a whole lot of content for a while. I am curious about the 18's though with your beast of a BOSS. I may try my 18's too, I don't know, depending on how Nalleh's (and your) experiments go. I'm kind of fighting the thought of setting up much higher than I already am though. The VNF 18's + Crowson MAs + BOSS with JBLs + a little bit of BK LFEs seemed to be bringing it pretty hardcore today, bringing a HUGE smile to my face I think it's definitely the best and most powerful the TR in my system has ever felt in this new room. BUT as we know, there is always room for improvement in this hobby it seems. Especially when one is a perfectionist with a thirst and drive for crazy TR.

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So Pierce went off the rails price wise so that's a bust. FU Audio has these for $220 shipped, I may pick one up. 20mm xmax and 480g mms, decent motor strength. Similar to the SI HT18.



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Only $220 and made in the USA? Not bad at all for those specs! Resonant frequency is a bit higher at 31Hz, but I’m sure there’s plenty of headroom for EQing one of these in a BOSS. You buying a pair?

And I’m totally content with my setup. The extra 3 JBL’s will probably sit in storage a while, as the small gain likely isn’t worth a whole new BOSS build to me. I have a decent break coming up and plan to relax and enjoy some content! My system sounds so good to me, there’s just too much work involved for very incremental upgrades at this point; I’ll save anything too extreme for the next house where it’ll have a more permanent residence.

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Has anybody considered one of Fi’s IB offerings. Since they’re built specifically for IB use I wonder how’d they perform in a BOSS riser?

Looks like the 12” has a similar cutout. With it’s more powerful motor I’m curious if it would be an upgrade over the JBL?
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@Sekosche , I dug through the thread some and found the post where you mentioned adjusting your peak limiter down to 115w per driver (after using 150w peak for a little bit). Is this still what you are using? I'm driving mine with a 6000dsp and it sounds like you are using 1 of the inuke as well.

More of a question for everyone now...

Do you know if there is any danger in hitting the limiter if there aren't any bad sounds coming from the subs? I'm obviously not going to try to ride the limiter, but wonder if I should be "tickling" it at the most intense bass scenes to maximize the TR. I took some vibsensor measurements and want to get to 1 e01 if possible. This measurement was taken with the peak limiter set to 80w per driver (2 drivers). That is the EOT intro.

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@Sekosche , I dug through the thread some and found the post where you mentioned adjusting your peak limiter down to 115w per driver (after using 150w peak for a little bit). Is this still what you are using? I'm driving mine with a 6000dsp and it sounds like you are using 1 of the inuke as well.

More of a question for everyone now...

Do you know if there is any danger in hitting the limiter if there aren't any bad sounds coming from the subs? I'm obviously not going to try to ride the limiter, but wonder if I should be "tickling" it at the most intense bass scenes to maximize the TR. I took some vibsensor measurements and want to get to 1 e01 if possible. This measurement was taken with the peak limiter set to 80w per driver (2 drivers). That is the EOT intro.

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I lowered mine to 250 watts total a couple days ago across all three, just to reduce headroom until I add 3/4” ply spacers for fear of them hitting the ground. I ran them at 450w for a bit and didn’t notice any issues at all. You can hit the limiter with no worries. I have 6-12dB headroom before clipping, so the limiter kicks in way before there’s any electrical worries.

If that’s your VibSensor TR with 80w per driver, I wouldn’t expect a 15-20 fold increase in TR (logarithmic scale of 1e-3 to 1e-1), from just upping the power a bit. Still solid TR though, and it seems to mimic the waveform of the EOT intro pretty closely other than the 10Hz drop off, so your TR is pretty balanced. How does it feel to you?
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@Sekosche , I dug through the thread some and found the post where you mentioned adjusting your peak limiter down to 115w per driver (after using 150w peak for a little bit). Is this still what you are using? I'm driving mine with a 6000dsp and it sounds like you are using 1 of the inuke as well.

More of a question for everyone now...

Do you know if there is any danger in hitting the limiter if there aren't any bad sounds coming from the subs? I'm obviously not going to try to ride the limiter, but wonder if I should be "tickling" it at the most intense bass scenes to maximize the TR. I took some vibsensor measurements and want to get to 1 e01 if possible. This measurement was taken with the peak limiter set to 80w per driver (2 drivers). That is the EOT intro.

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Hitting the limiter shouldn’t hurt the drivers as long as they’re not making any strange noises. You’re better off riding the limiter vs clipping the driver.


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I lowered mine to 250 watts total a couple days ago across all three, just to reduce headroom until I add 3/4” ply spacers for fear of them hitting the ground. I ran them at 450w for a bit and didn’t notice any issues at all. You can hit the limiter with no worries. I have 6-12dB headroom before clipping, so the limiter kicks in way before there’s any electrical worries.

If that’s your VibSensor TR with 80w per driver, I wouldn’t expect a 15-20 fold increase in TR (logarithmic scale of 1e-3 to 1e-1), from just upping the power a bit. Still solid TR though, and it seems to mimic the waveform of the EOT intro pretty closely other than the 10Hz drop off, so your TR is pretty balanced. How does it feel to you?
It feels pretty good. I've got cutouts for 4 drivers in my riser but FedEx lost 2 of them so I'm waiting on them to get sent again. My platform is 2 sheets of 3/4" and the drivers are recessed, so I should be good on ground clearance. I'll be interested to see what 2 more drivers and upping the power limit will do. Maybe the 1e01s are from guys with crownsons and stuff too. Not sure if people are getting that with just the BOSS. I'm happy either way for sure though. Definitely a huge upgrade (no comparison to before). There were comments about 1e01 being reference level TR that have me intrigued. If the 4 drivers doesn't do it I'll just sit back and enjoy (as I already have been for the most part).

What are you doing to verify you've got the headroom? Pretty sure I dont have any issues there as I'm only at 1o'clock on the inuke for the boss channel and my Marty's and VBSS are nearly maxed on the gain with no issues for the past year.
@Rowan611 , thanks for your input as well. Good to know.

Also for what it's worth, this is the vibsensor measurement if I bring the gain up to where I'm against the limiter at 80w peak per driver.

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It feels pretty good. I've got cutouts for 4 drivers in my riser but FedEx lost 2 of them so I'm waiting on them to get sent again. My platform is 2 sheets of 3/4" and the drivers are recessed, so I should be good on ground clearance. I'll be interested to see what 2 more drivers and upping the power limit will do. Maybe the 1e01s are from guys with crownsons and stuff too. Not sure if people are getting that with just the BOSS. I'm happy either way for sure though. Definitely a huge upgrade (no comparison to before). There were comments about 1e01 being reference level TR that have me intrigued. If the 4 drivers doesn't do it I'll just sit back and enjoy (as I already have been for the most part).

What are you doing to verify you've got the headroom? Pretty sure I dont have any issues there as I'm only at 1o'clock on the inuke for the boss channel and my Marty's and VBSS are nearly maxed on the gain with no issues for the past year.
@Rowan611 , thanks for your input as well. Good to know.

Also for what it's worth, this is the vibsensor measurement if I bring the gain up to where I'm against the limiter at 80w peak per driver.

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You can check your signal strength in real time in the iNuke software and compare the clip versus limit.

That’s pretty darn good TR from just two drivers, you’re tickling 1e-2, which is really strong to me, so maybe with two more drivers it will bump you up quite a bit. I’m not good at extracting power levels from drivers to TR, so maybe the more experienced VibSensor users can chime in.

I’m not sure what’s considered reference level TR, but I know 1e-1 is ridiculous amounts of TR and anything more powerful is really too much to me for extended listening sessions, great fun for demos though! I’ve got a chunk of time off coming up, so I’ll try and get some VS measurements of the EOT scene with my 3 driver BOSS with and without MA’s and VNF subs. It is a great clip to use for calibration and seems to be the preferred method in the VS thread, since it’s easy to replicate and read on various systems; but I can’t stand using the intro for anything else.

Here’s a scene from War of the Worlds that’s right in the BOSS wheelhouse for TR and the 30Hz just shreds my body with vibration when reclined, timestamp in the title. Obviously, the major bass scenes in WOTW are all demo material and were really elevated to a whole new level with the BOSS.
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We have to be careful when comparing VS measurements with others as the weigh used on top of the phone makes a big difference in measurement results. I know Sbuger recommends and has been using 5lbs rice bag but I am not certain what Sekosche and others use. We also need to know at what bass levels were the measurements taken? Reference bass, less than reference or above reference bass? These will contribute to the VS measurement results.
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