Originally Posted by Archaea
Do you guys like literally bouncing up and down 1/2" or more on regular occasion or is this for occasional novelty?
, and similar setups - I don't think I can even imagine. I had to tell carp to turn his stuff down because it was so ridiculous.
I'm backtracking a bit right now on my one off setup. I've been playing with my chair mount MBQuartz 12" for the last few days more, and it's fun, and novelty, but anything more than the very lowest levels of shake and I find it too much for extended listening sessions. I want, subjectively/personally, a realistic level of bass felt, and not amusement park ride. It's fun to cut it loss for a few seconds on a wild setting, but I don't want it left there very long.
I do realize enthusiasts come in all forms, but rarely am I accused of being a bass lightweight.
I bought a 4'x4' piece of 3/4" plywood today to directly compare the proper BOSS platform as originally laid out, vs. my direct chair mount -- both with the shallow mount 12" MB Quart.
Whichever I like more, I'll implement x4. (to this point I've only installed it on one chair).
Originally Posted by Gorilla Killa
The 20-30hz shudder can be overwhelming. Ive dialed most of that out for my tastes. I have steep slope from 20hz down, its the slow wobble from there down that Im chasing. As Im going through movies that a have slow roll off or are close to full bandwidth, its crazy the content down low that is available. The fact that I can get this without my house shuddering and making noise is a huge plus.
Originally Posted by carp
Jonathan, I agree with GK. I don't run BOSS full range anymore, I prefer a filter at 20hz with a 12 db slope. Play with all kinds of slopes/filter points and I guarantee you will find something you really like.
The chairs move a lot though, for sure. Last Saturday I had a friend and his teenage son over to watch Ready Player One and Solo. At one point during RP1 the bowl of popcorn that was on that little arm rest table vibrated off and fell on the floor. Ooops.
- Well, I do like a lot of shake/TR for sure (maybe more than some folks prefer, IDK), but I like to get about as much as I can in the wobble area under 20hz, kind of like GK and Carp it sounds like. BUT, I do really like the 20-30hz area too. It can be sharp feeling (kind of like
has been saying lately) and I love the feel it creates in the chest, back and gut area. It can be such a cool intensity and feel pretty exhilarating at the right intensity levels. I do seem to like quite a bit of it. That said though, it can be too overpowering if overdone, so I usually like it lower in level compared to the ULF wobble area on the White Noise 0-50hz VS graph (all frequencies are equal on White Noise) and try to set it up so my TR reads like a rising house curve from higher to lower. Otherwise is can get to overwhelming and the ultra low end can feel lacking in relation. Plus, I really have to be careful not to get too much TR above about 35hz, as it gets real distracting and overwhelming quite quickly if not rained in. At least for movies and on my particular seats.
An example of what I'm talking about with a rising TR House Curve can be seen on this White Noise 0-50hz VS reading I took last week around ref bass levels (-10mv with subs 8-12db hot with rising House curve).
White Noise is fantastic for setting your TR curve up the way you like (and also seeing if you have any lagging or too strong of areas going on. This is how I've really been loving my TR slope setup lately and kind of resembles the HC on my FR ...
TR ..The graph on the left is reclined and the one on the right is not reclined. This is about at the levels that I like with all components combined. I could turn each one of them up more, but if I can get these levels on the White Noise 0-50hz, then actual content feels about right and pretty darn intense when needs to be. The BOSS is doing most of it and I just have the VNFs and MAs mainly supporting, except the MAs are doing most of the work in the singles digits work (which doesn't show well with the VibSensor (known issue)). That's ok though, it can still really be felt, so I know they are working
FR ..for an example, my FR which is somewhat similar looking as well with the rising House Curve. I seem to prefer rising House Curve on both FR and TR. This is an older FR but should still look fairly similar to what I have now, but I do need to recalibrate after raising my seats and having more of a sealed BOSS box now.
I'm usually really happy with how the TR feels in movies if I can get my TR intensity levels on the White Noise 0-50hz up somewhere in-between 1e-01 and 1e+00 from about 25-30hz and under. VS doesn't read well at all below 10hz with the White Noise file, but that's ok and why it looks like its lacking like I mentioned up above. This is a known problem with VS. But it still feels crazy strong under 10hz into the singles, especially with the MAs doing their thing, as this is where they really shine and one of the reasons I love them so. Combined with the BOSS is a wobbling good time down super low
So as far as it being a novelty, I love it so much that I guess it still kind of is even after getting this kind of TR for the last 3-4 years with VNFs, BKs and MAs
It was real similar feeling to the BOSS but the addition of the BOSS has made it better and I'm grateful for it. It just feels better in ways to me, but still close to the same intensity levels. So yep, I've been enjoying powerful TR for quite a while now and is a HUGE part of the excitement for me on these movies. In fact it's nowhere near as fun and exciting to me without it. I've loved it ever since I got a taste of when I first started using VNF subs (about 4-5 years ago I think), not too long after you ran those experiments with the smaller subs behind you and then started using the 18's shortly after as well. You are a big part of the reason I started doing it too, along with carp and a few others. It took that TR and slam feel to levels I had only dreamed of before with only using farfield subs, even listening at too high of levels that were uncomfortable. That was my first taste of good TR and I was hooked
One of the coolest parts of being able to get amazing TR so easily now though is not having to listen at insane levels to get that awesome feel, and it makes it so much more fun and enjoyable IMO.
As far a getting a 1/2" of bounce up and down on a regular occasion. LOL, well maybe, as I'm an avid demo'er and love to get as an extreme of TR experience as I can nearly every day, at least in a brief session if I can fit it in. It's like a drug to me I guess, and is exhilarating in an awesome kind of way. I just love it and never seem to tire of it. As an example, today for demo (and trying to work something out a little better) I watched that 'Venom' city chase scene (BEQ'd) about 5 times back to back. I felt kind of wore out afterwards, but in a great way LOL. My insides felt tired from tensing up so much from TR intensity and just the feeling of getting slammed. I know its kind of weird, but I just absolutely love this feeling!! Also there is a scene in IT (BEQ'd as well) that is 12hz strong for about 15 seconds. Its super intense and cool feeling. The wobble is strong enough that I can't focus on my lap top for example, especially up around ref bass levels. I was messing with muting and un-mutting the BOSS, MAs, VNFs etc checking each one out and then combined and I couldn't really focus at all on the screen when it really gets going, making it pretty darn blurry. This is the kind of ULF TR I like LOL. Wobble wobble wobble, love me some wobble
It still feels natural to me though, just super intense and realistic. With crazy TR and being so close to the screen, it really feels like I'm right there experiencing it for real a lot of times and can really get my heart racing. But I don't know that I really feel like I'm bouncing. The TR is felt more internally I think, which is what I want and love, and makes it feel more exhilarating and even terrifying (for lack of a better word) at times. And the more intense the TR is, the more of this feeling it brings. On most good actions scenes or where it's called for, this is usually a wonderful thing.
One thing that has really help eliminate the feeling of bounce though and just seems to be felt more and all the little TR nuances, is putting my riser on the ground (carpet over pad) with no isos between bottom of riser and floor. Seems to work great on my suspended floor. I love the feeling it gives and seems to increase the ULF which is cool. I know that is really going against the grain of what is recommended with BOSS, BUT I am using isolators on top of the platform, along with the MAs that I really love the feel of. The first time I really experienced my BOSS, it had accidentally slipped of the isos and I didn't even realize it at the time. Now I guess I know why I liked it so much and am now back to it, but WITH isos on top this time that I really seem to love.
Sorry Archaea, as usual, I typed up way more of a reply than I had planned. But there it is, wanted or not hahahaha