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Art Deco theater build

Hello gang! for the last few years I have been creeping all of your threads on here, gleaning ideas for my theater build. It has been quite a labor of love to build my room, affectionately referred to by me as "The Screening Room". I am not done with the outer set of doors (for my double door system), the marquee, or the poster cases, but the room itself is essentially finished and I wanted to share pics with all of you. I am by no means an expert on anything theater related but I would love to discuss anything in this build that resonates with any of you. Thanks for taking a look!
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Here is an equipment list for anyone who is curious...

Projector- Epson 6040ub
Screen is 202" 2.4:1 ratio 7% micro perf vinyl
Sources-4k Blu-Ray player- Panasonic DMP ub900, apple TV 4k, PS4, Xfinity 4k box
Processor- Anthem MRX 1120
Additional amp (for extra speakers)- Anthem PVA 7

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Center- Paradigm Prestige 55c
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Row 1 & 2 LR surrounds and LR rears- Paradigm Elite E80-IW (6 in total)
Height speakers- Paradigm Elite E80-R (4 in total)
Subs- 2 Paradigm Defiance X15's

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Seats- Paliser Rhumba with leather match (Russet color option I believe)

Room dimensions are 17' wide by 25' deep to the screen with 3' behind the screen. Room height is 8'5"
Riser is 18"
Stage is 12"

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I remembered first seeing this on Facebook. Incredible build. How long have you been wrong on this? Very impressive.

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After looking at your photos again on a bigger screen, I have some questions. How tall is you riser, 18" or 20"? Is that a mini split behind the screen? If so how does that work in the room? Very cool theme and very will built.

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Looks great!

I’m curious how you soundproof the cutout for the equipment rack... it looks like you just enclosed it in a soundproof shell?

I was thinking it would be cool to do something like that for my room, but I am worried about heat and noise transferring into the room.


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Great job, well done. I like how the screen fills the wall.

Tell me about your screen; dimensions, AT material used, looks like you just used pocket screws for the frame build and simple hangers along the top left/right.

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Excellent! I like the Art Deco theme and might go with that on my next theater.
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I'm not usually a big fan of Stucco Ceilings, but this is both impressive and appropriate! Nice job. Love the wall paper.


5 seats across, how wide is the room and the length? OK, Screen wall height?

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Nice work! Do you have a pic of the door and two movie poster frames you mounted outside the room? You posted pics of your plan and the 'stuff' but not the end product. I'm doing an Art Deco theme for my build as well. Just something about the design I've always liked.
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I remembered first seeing this on Facebook. Incredible build. How long have you been wrong on this? Very impressive.

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After looking at your photos again on a bigger screen, I have some questions. How tall is you riser, 18" or 20"? Is that a mini split behind the screen? If so how does that work in the room? Very cool theme and very will built.
Thank you! It was very fun to build. I began conceptualizing it about three years ago, demolished the old room that was there about two years ago and began the framing, sealing up the windows that were in the space, and insulating it, but then for budgetary reasons I had to take about a year and a half off of the project. I began again in earnest in August of this year and just finished it before Thanksgiving. If I added up all time invested with no pauses, then it took about a year's worth of nights and weekends.

The riser is 18" tall. Yes that is a mini-split. I was concerned that it wouldn't provide proper air flow to such a large room through the screen and also that it might blow the screen around when it is on but it has actually worked perfectly. I did have to get an IR repeater to be able to use the remote through the screen but as far as function, it heats or cools the room quickly, quietly, and is out of sight. I was a little worried that the heat would affect the vinyl screen but so far, I have not noticed any warping, sagging, or other ill effects at all.
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Looks great!

I’m curious how you soundproof the cutout for the equipment rack... it looks like you just enclosed it in a soundproof shell?

I was thinking it would be cool to do something like that for my room, but I am worried about heat and noise transferring into the room.


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The AV rack is outside of the room's soundproof envelope and in it's own closet. The door to the closet leads to the rear of the rack and the front of the rack is up against the cutout in a tiny vestibule area that will be in-between my double doors and the single theater room door. (I have not completed the double doors yet.) I am going to be adding those doors as I finish the rest of the basement and I will also have a marquee and columns surrounding the entrance with illuminated poster cases on wither side. I think I included a picture of the cases, if not, here is another one as well as a sketch of the general idea for the entry.
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Great job, well done. I like how the screen fills the wall.

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thank you! the screen is a 7% micro perf vinyl. I was shooting for a 200" screen at a 2.4:1 aspect ratio but overshot it a little and ended up at 202". You are correct, I used pocket screws to make the frame and cut 2x4s at a 45 degree angle to make french cleats to hang it. (there are 4 cleats actually, top left and right and bottom left and right but they may not be pictured.) Simple but effective. I had a much more elaborate plan in my head and was stressing it because getting to the speakers behind the screen was going to be a challenge but with the cleats, I just take off the velvet trim panels and then with an assistant, the screen just lifts out of the way.
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Excellent! I like the Art Deco theme and might go with that on my next theater.
Thank you! I was confident in the construction of the room but had no idea at all how to decorate it until I stumbled upon that wallpaper one day on Pinterest. It literally drove my choices in everything else from the fabric color, carpet, seat color, type of sconces, to the wood trim. It clicked like a dream. Oh, and I was originally going to do a star field ceiling until I settled on the art deco theme and then found images of that texturing (again on Pinterest) and then tracked down a guy in the UK who makes and sells special texturing combs that I used to trowel that onto the ceiling.

Thanks again for your feedback. If you get into an art deco themed build, I can give you my sources for inspiration and materials.
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I'm not usually a big fan of Stucco Ceilings, but this is both impressive and appropriate! Nice job. Love the wall paper.


5 seats across, how wide is the room and the length? OK, Screen wall height?
Thank you! The ceiling was very daunting and I'd recommend to anyone who is thinking of doing it to PRACTICE A TON beforehand and to not use the quick drying drywall mud. I only briefly tried a few arches on the wall before diving into the ceiling and I can definitely tell a quality difference between the beginning arches and the ending ones. (Took me about 30 minutes of troweling to find a good groove. The mud I used at first was a 90 minute working time mud, and it was awful because after about 40 minutes, it would get too stiff to work with. about 1/3 the way through the job, I transitioned to the regular mud that you find in the buckets at Lowes or HD and it was much, much easier.

The wallpaper is from a company called Bradbury and Bradbury and apparently is hand printed. I didn't know that when I ordered it but when I complained about the 6 week turnaround time, they let me know that they make it all by hand, to order. It is gorgeous in person though and was totally worth it.

Oh, and the room dimensions are 17' wide by 25' deep to the screen with another 3' behind the screen. The room height is 8'5" subtracting the 12" stage, the screen wall is 7'5"

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Nice work! Do you have a pic of the door and two movie poster frames you mounted outside the room? You posted pics of your plan and the 'stuff' but not the end product. I'm doing an Art Deco theme for my build as well. Just something about the design I've always liked.
I will as soon as I get the exterior finished but I do not have them mounted yet. Hopefully I will have that finished in the next few months.
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Very nice room. I am amazed by the folks who chose to do this level of work by themselves. Truly a labor of love. I am sure that is some kind of immersive experience. The dealer I use has a demo room with 196" screen (16 x 9) and sitting in the front row really is like being in a commercial theater.

I saw in another thread where you said you have enough light output for that sized screen with your Epson..... but I am curious, however, how any projector, except maybe the Sony ES5000 with 5000 lumens, can light up a screen as large as you have chosen. My screen is a lot smaller (120" x 51") and my projector has more output (3000 lumens) and there are still times I could use more output - at least for HDR!

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Very nice room. I am amazed by the folks who chose to do this level of work by themselves. Truly a labor of love. I am sure that is some kind of immersive experience. The dealer I use has a demo room with 196" screen (16 x 9) and sitting in the front row really is like being in a commercial theater.

I saw in another thread where you said you have enough light output for that sized screen with your Epson..... but I am curious, however, how any projector, except maybe the Sony ES5000 with 5000 lumens, can light up a screen as large as you have chosen. My screen is a lot smaller (120" x 51") and my projector has more output (3000 lumens) and there are still times I could use more output - at least for HDR!

Great job.
Thanks! My family and I have already spent WAY TOO MUCH time watching movies in this thing and we love it! (330 hours on the bulb in about 7 weeks). As for the brightness, we feel like it is plenty bright, in fact, I have the brightness set to 52 and it looks great. I did buy a LUX meter to try to pull some real data off of it but I am unsure of how to measure the brightness. Do I want a measurement in Foot Lamperts? Nits? Foot Candles? Do I measure the light level coming off of the screen or from the bulb at the screen position? If I can figure out how to measure that correctly, I could give you some hard numbers. If you have any resource that I can use as a guide, I'd love that. Otherwise, I will work on figuring that out myself as well. Thanks again!
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What's your first row viewing distance--looks like about 15 ft? Is your screen 202" diagonal? Seems wider than the recommendations. I'm planning on 149" diagonal 16:9 (130" wide x 73" high), viewing distance 12 ft and many have suggested that's too big. My screen wall is 21 ft wide, so I'd be using only about half my wall width for what some say is too big of a screen. Does your screen seem too big? Thanks.
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Deco is my favorite style. Nice to see I'm not the only one who likes it. Glad to see you have enjoyed it so much.

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What's your first row viewing distance--looks like about 15 ft? Is your screen 202" diagonal? Seems wider than the recommendations. I'm planning on 149" diagonal 16:9 (130" wide x 73" high), viewing distance 12 ft and many have suggested that's too big. My screen wall is 21 ft wide, so I'd be using only about half my wall width for what some say is too big of a screen. Does your screen seem too big? Tom hanks.

From his room height of 8''5" it would have to be a 202" diagonal 2.4:1. My guess front row eyes to screen is around 13' to 14'. I like eyes to screen 2x the height of you're screen. At 80" your at 160" so 13.5' to 14' should work.

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I would be exactly 16:9 2x screen height: 73h 130w 149d. 73h x 2 = 146 (12.2 ft), which is where I'm at.

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What made you go with 9.x.2 versus 9.x.4 or 7.x.4? I realize that takes extra equipment and/or extra speakers but I always was under the impression it's more immersive to have 4 height speakers for Atmos over having and extra surround for the second row.

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I would be exactly 16:9 2x screen height: 73h 130w 149d. 73h x 2 = 146 (12.2 ft), which is where I'm at.
Is your screen acoustically transparent? If I upgrade that's how I would like to go.

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Yes, I plan on using Spandex. Hope that works as well as some claim.

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I'm not sure how the spandex looks but my screen is from Carlofet.com and is their 7% micro perf vinyl. It was less than $400 for that massive size and I love it. I'd recommend it to anyone.
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What made you go with 9.x.2 versus 9.x.4 or 7.x.4? I realize that takes extra equipment and/or extra speakers but I always was under the impression it's more immersive to have 4 height speakers for Atmos over having and extra surround for the second row.
If that question was meant for me, my setup is actually 7.2.4 discrete channels but is 9.2.4 if you count the extra L and R surrounds. ( I have LR surrounds on both rows.) There are 4 discrete height speakers, and it is AWESOME
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Thanks! I truly love the way it turned out. It all started when I found the wallpaper and went from there. I love the old cinemas from the 20's and was hoping for a tiny bit of that.
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What made you go with 9.x.2 versus 9.x.4 or 7.x.4? I realize that takes extra equipment and/or extra speakers but I always was under the impression it's more immersive to have 4 height speakers for Atmos over having and extra surround for the second row.
If that question was meant for me, my setup is actually 7.2.4 discrete channels but is 9.2.4 if you count the extra L and R surrounds. ( I have LR surrounds on both rows.) There are 4 discrete height speakers, and it is AWESOME [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
How do you have it wired? I only ask because I have processor meant for 11 channels and down the road I’d rather have 9.2.4 versus 7.2.4 if space allows. I know I’ll need an additional amp for the speakers but wanted to see if you had a schematic or a picture of your wiring.

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What's your first row viewing distance--looks like about 15 ft? Is your screen 202" diagonal? Seems wider than the recommendations. I'm planning on 149" diagonal 16:9 (130" wide x 73" high), viewing distance 12 ft and many have suggested that's too big. My screen wall is 21 ft wide, so I'd be using only about half my wall width for what some say is too big of a screen. Does your screen seem too big? Thanks.
The first row viewing distance is 13'. When I chose the screen size, I had thought that it may be a little big from the front but thought that I'd be on the back row most of the time anyway and the kids could sit a little close. In reality though, now that it is built, I find myself sitting in the front row an awful lot because I think it looks fantastic from there. I've had many a full house for screenings and have only gotten complements on it and comments that they love how huge the screen is. Most of my guests have chosen to sit on the front row. So to answer your question directly, no I do not feel that mine is too big. I would recommend that you go as big as possible, especially if you are doing an AT screen, and then if you feel it is too big, just mask it down a little. If I had gone any smaller, I would have been very disappointed at the wasted space.
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The first row viewing distance is 13'. When I chose the screen size, I had thought that it may be a little big from the front but thought that I'd be on the back row most of the time anyway and the kids could sit a little close. In reality though, now that it is built, I find myself sitting in the front row an awful lot because I think it looks fantastic from there. I've had many a full house for screenings and have only gotten complements on it and comments that they love how huge the screen is. Most of my guests have chosen to sit on the front row. So to answer your question directly, no I do not feel that mine is too big. I would recommend that you go as big as possible, especially if you are doing an AT screen, and then if you feel it is too big, just mask it down a little. If I had gone any smaller, I would have been very disappointed at the wasted space.

I would assume you are using the zoom method to switch between 16x9 and scope. Have you considered an A-lens to increase brightness for scope films?

Thinking of upgrade paths (the bug will indeed hit), if you wanted to address both side speaker pairs discretely, you would, of course, need to go with a Trinnov processor... or use the first pair of side surrounds as Front Wides and go with something like the upcoming Monoprice HTP-1 9.1.6 processor (ATI/Datasat designed) that is considerably less expensive. Did you pre-wire for more than the four overhead speakers given the two rows of seating?

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I finished the inside of the theater in Nov of 2018, but was burnt out on building for a while, so I've only now finished the rest of the basement. Among other things in the basement, I have finished the entry to the theater (with one tiny exception of the marquee that I am planning above my double doors.) To commemorate the finishing of (almost) everything, I have taken a new round of pics of the whole thing. Here it is
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