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Crazy question time- I like 5.1.4, and i like the idea of having rear speakers toed in, and I like the in-wall idea. So the crazy idea- putting in-wall surrounds in cabinets IN THE MIDDLE of bass traps in the NE and NW corners? Might kill multiple birds with one stone.

Alternately, might it make sense to angle the corners and to put in walls in the actual walls?
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Can't say I would be all that keen on a door opening to the folded out bed either. It is indeed bad design. (Unless the intention is to limit overnight guests... )

I also wonder exactly what's outside the foot print shown, and how tall that benching is, and whether the laundry could use sit on the old floor and present as elevated?
And how that works control-wise. Why do laundry where there's no height when you think about maybe a "storage room" at the 6'-ish height could host an inflatable bed
without being rigidly boxed in by walls? Now that wouldn't exactly be to code, but maybe you could capture a window in that space also?

I would be after the best, for my money, that is possible. The biggest space that feels the most open, excellent audio, a better laundry experience, and the most affordable finished
square footage.

I wouldn't go nuts with the sound system. I would be looking to hide all the speakers, and even have a room where it could be multifunctional. When not used to watch movies,
I'd think about a couple of chairs up by the screen, and maybe have a moveable table in the room. I'd be more aiming for a flexible space.


Do you actually need to angle speakers, if they have good off axis performance? I'd be looking to not carving off any extra square footage then absolutely possible, and only for really good reasons.
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Another outside the box thought.

Some bent muffler pipe rails and keep some longer sightlines.

"Geeky" cabinetry atop front load washer and dryer, with perhaps some doors in front?
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@Tedd , I’m gonna take pics of the walls and post the full floor plan as I’m doing a bad job conveying the limitations- but in brief the room where you suggested the bed goes is FULL of my wife’s design stuff in boxes, and the room where you suggested the washer/dryer go is the utility room which is pretty tight. Also, neither are underpinned, nor is tge landing at the bottom of the stairs.

All super helpful though. After some discussion with wife and viewing a lot of WIP’s for small rooms, I am strongly leaning to two rows of 3 seats if possible, even if the second row gets a limited atmos/surround experience. Stand by for my latest drawing.
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Before shots, starting with North wall and going clockwise:









<<Placeholder for blueprint>>

Latest working idea:

Yes, second row is peanut gallery, but nobody is gonna complain.
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And here is the full original plan (since modified). Only underpinned tge L-shaped section:

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That's actually pretty darn close to what I expected, and some areas are better then expected. I guess what threw me is the lack of lower steps, as the step count didn't
match up with the elevations.

You don't need to box the sump pump area, just do a little bit of re-plumbing and provide vertical space to be able to remove the sump pump.

A little bit creative framing could be done to maximise width and you'll need a fair amount of "access ports".

Ever consider a convertible type of seat for the theater area, and that could be a sleeping area?

The second row peanut gallery isn't really something I'd be concerned with. It's what it does to the screen size, viewing angles of the front row, in what might
be a 14.5' (visually) deep room when framed out. I see you losing a lot of room volume where I would looking to accentuate that, in 2 rooms.

You actually could open up that stair landing and proposed laundry area, and create a larger space, if you could accommodate the storage needs of the Mrs in
other ways, perhaps a Gorilla rack lined closet with sliding doors. I think that all taken together, might be something worth thinking about, with the added bonus
of getting the laundry room in a taller space.
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So the underpin is 16"?

I saw what I thought was the dryer venting and I guess that support post in that wall is gone?

So where is the boiler? And what else is where, in that storage space? How much of that is the Mrs storage needs?
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@Todd , so the underpinned slab is almost 2’ right now. The “laundry area” is actually overflowing storage area in which my wife agreed to put the washer/dryer after some major concessions.

The utility room is bottom right (electrical, furnace/ boiler for steam, hot water heater). Putting washer/dryer there has been veto’d.

So that’s the space and it’s compromise time. The contractor was in this morning, and i REALLY stressed maximizing floor space while maintaining sound proofing. He’s gonna talk to his friend who apparently did Avery Fischer concert hall, so that’s a gigantic plus.
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A brief distraction from architectural planning, as I am now in the “buy things when I can get good deals on them” phase.

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3/10: 2x Monoprice Monolith 12” subs
3/11: Monoprice Monolith 200W x 5 channel amp

Current gear toss-up: Marantz AV7705 vs Anthem AVM60. I’m leaning towards Marantz given I don’t foresee having time to master ARC.
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So this is the South wall, where I plan to put a false screen wall. The issue is allowing access to the gas and water utilities.

Then it dawned on me and my contractor: It may be well worth it to MOVE these to the utility room (off the South East bed alcove), this gives me a solid foot or two of space, and the soundproofing/ acoustical treatments of the South wall become much, much easier. Plumber will have a quote soon.

In the mean time, it was high time I made a bench from some old lumber for tools I will continue to use for framing a screen wall and making acoustic panelling:



(It ain’t done yet)

Oh, to have cabinet building skills on a time table for my theater pursuits, I’d certainly build my own speakers...
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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

(Knowing that some day, archaeologists will discover this thread and possibly gleam insights from it)

My current conundrums, by priority:

1) Will my rudimentary carpentry skills allow me to make backer-boxes for RSL C34E without compromising my sound proofing?

2) Epson 5050, coming out soon, seems a great performance/price ratio for what I’m looking for, but Optoma UHD65 and I had an attraction, and Sony true 4k for $2k more is mildly tempting.

3) Should I hang a white sheet in the position of the future false wall and test a projector prior to building said false wall?

4) Lighting! I cannot for the life of me find a “best practices” thread on lighting! I know i want 6700K (edit 3700K), 870 lumens (not on the eyeball), and black velvet EVERYWHERE... but... how. My commute web search has yielded nothing on “cove lighting matte black ceiling.”

5) Video source? Oppo and Samsung out? Streaming hiccups? I’m computer savvy, but I want to avoid over-tech’ing if it is unnecessary. The Oppo 200-something model price, combined with potential availability issues, is not reassuring.

Thoughts on any or every of the above is helpful.

In the meantime, I am quite jazzed to learn my neighbor makes diffusors for a fairly well known acoustical firm, and he has taken an interest in my blank-slate 1920’s basement.

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Oh, and some subwoofer porn (dollar bill for reference):
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So this is the South wall, where I plan to put a false screen wall. The issue is allowing access to the gas and water utilities.

Then it dawned on me and my contractor: It may be well worth it to MOVE these to the utility room (off the South East bed alcove), this gives me a solid foot or two of space, and the soundproofing/ acoustical treatments of the South wall become much, much easier. Plumber will have a quote soon.

In the mean time, it was high time I made a bench from some old lumber for tools I will continue to use for framing a screen wall and making acoustic panelling:



(It ain’t done yet)

Oh, to have cabinet building skills on a time table for my theater pursuits, I’d certainly build my own speakers...


Nice work on the bench! You will find it invaluable. After I built one for my miter, I built another, then another. they come in very handy as you navigate through the project.


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Updates!
Change of plans- AT screen and AT false wall on the South wall. I have JUST enough room for two rows:





Able to frame even closer to the wall than expected. This involved framing AROUND the gas and water meter, which I’ll have to contend with covering with something dark and absorptive.

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I know I initially was thinking Chanes, but I am intrigued by DIYSG HTM10’s or HTM12’s; they are front ported, which is preferred for their eventual placement. Whatever I use,they’ll be paired with two Monolith 12 ported subs and 4 RSL C34’s on atmos duty. I have yet to decide my surrounds, as i am waiting to decide on the fronts.
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Good luck. I have roughly the same dimension to deal with in my garage extension that i am planning to do as a dedicated room. I will be anxiously awaiting to see what you end up doing.
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How exactly will that elevation change at the entry door area work? I keep seeing the door location change, but won't there be a need for a step there somewhere, potentially 2 to be code compliant?

Why shift the room off the center axis? Why not simply go wall to wall with the riser, and have the step to the side of the front row seats? (That might be a whole lot safer.)

As for lighting, ideally you overload a black cave of a room and zone the lighting. Your needs will range from everything from lit very well (for cleaning) to all off. If you invest in a lighting controller,
then you have a pile of flexibility to create "scenes" and the lighting can and will be a wow feature for a cave of a room. I expect you will need to overdo the soffit lighting, with the room being a cave,
as that will soak up a lot of light and maybe not give you the effect nor brightness you expect.

Your skills should be more then enough to build a few backer boxes. They are a simple enough project, and very inexpensive to do. About the only thing remotely negative is a bunch of them might tax one's clamp
collection, while you wait on the glue drying, so some mechanical fastening would speed construction up.

The Panasonic BD-UB820 might be a quality yet cheaper alternative to paying the Oppo premium people are holding out for.

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Thanks @Tedd , while i compose a response to your thoughtful input, here’s where the door will be, including a step in the concrete:
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Gotcha. I was thinking of just that, but then didn't figure it'd be an option after the benching.
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Gotcha. I was thinking of just that, but then didn't figure it'd be an option after the benching.

Thanks for advice on the lighting too. I’m as of yet undecided on a color scheme, but I have spousal approval for a black ceiling, so I can make it pretty darn dark.

The pics were quick mock-ups, I plan to center everything on midline.

The riser is intentionally as limited as possible as I’m 6’8” (hence my choice of username) and I want to duck as little as possible.

In the meantime, choosing a projector is driving me insane: the tech is at such a weird place. I’ll have conduit for upgrading cables, albeit not easily, so I’d like to use an 18 Gbit HDMI (and one for redundancy, and a couple runs of cat6 too).

The (value x best tech bet)/price ratios are very challenging.

I am looking at the following:
Optoma UHD65
Epson 5050 (pending availability)
JVC DLA-X790R (seems very attractive)
BenQ whatever their new model is that is competing with the new Epson

Use case:
CIH ~100” 16:9 with zoom to 2.35:1
Seating distance ~9’
Games are a plus but i’m not a rabid FPS player so a little delay is tolerable
Completely light controlled room, and willing to cover a lot in velvet if helpful
AT screen, likely spandex DIY

Any tips very appreciated here, as I need to look into mounting and hush boxes but need a pj first!
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I figured the handle was about the low basement starting point.

I don't know about the 5050 but the 5030 and 5040 are very impressive performers. The JVC are also somewhat of a no brainer.
Then again why do you need to choose at this point, unless you are looking at a clearance JVC at an attractive price? You also might look
a replacement bulb cost and see if there's any big surprises there.

Is the conduit future proofing simply a potential excuse to see if you can get the av rack out of the room?

So exactly how is that step going to work at the end of the stairs, with the storage door there too? I doubt that is going to meet any building code, and
might be a big safety hazard. Are you going to extend the landing into the storage area?
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I don't know about the 5050 but the 5030 and 5040 are very impressive performers. The JVC are also somewhat of a no brainer.

Then again why do you need to choose at this point, unless you are looking at a clearance JVC at an attractive price? You also might look

a replacement bulb cost and see if there's any big surprises there.
I guess my desire to make a choice at this point is so I will know my various throw distances (especially if I’m doing a 21:9 zoom), and so I can plan cable runs and AC outlets based on this.


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Is the conduit future proofing simply a potential excuse to see if you can get the av rack out of the room?

I’m not sure I take your meaning about moving the AV rack out- I should have ample space behind the screen wall for AV equipment. Mainly, I want to have the option to easily replace HDMI cables to and from the projector.


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So exactly how is that step going to work at the end of the stairs, with the storage door there too? I doubt that is going to meet any building code, and

might be a big safety hazard. Are you going to extend the landing into the storage area?[/QUOTE]


Oh! That whole landing will be walled off. My mason/GC said the step they put in is code (when factoring in flooring). I don’t know the code on step heights around here, but I’m gonna trust it is correct. The door will go on the landing, opening away from the theater. That door will be a headache for acoustics.
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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

Gear update!

Just got an ebay local pickup for an Emotiva UPA-7 x 80wpc. Combined with my Monolith 5, amplification is covered, and then some! Now to commit to a pre/pro...

Edit: Gear update #2
I just pulled the trigger on 3 DIYSG HTM-10’s, which I imagine will complement the two Monolith 12’s quite well.

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The advantages of not having the av rack in the room, is you don't have any heat load from gear, any cooling fan noise, and any light pollution.

You also don't want any electronics' displays visible up front.
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The advantages of not having the av rack in the room, is you don't have any heat load from gear, any cooling fan noise, and any light pollution.



You also don't want any electronics' displays visible up front.


I see, thank you for clarifying. As it stands, I am considering placing a rack where the red X is, and a display cabinet that opens East where the blue X is, as the screen wall permits some extra space.



If I go this route, I plan to build them in (not leave it open to the room or to the space behind the screen wall. I also plan to treat any walls around them with appropriate acoustical treatments. I do not expect light to be a problem.

Interesting you raise heat... as I am now faced with mini-split placement. Is it insane to put it BEHIND the screen wall? If I did so, I would likely devise a low-noise fan system to quietly circulate the air through the AV cabinet and through the room.
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If the av rack goes there, I would suggest you simply you it make a goal so there's no electronic displays visible to the viewer. The idea being a distraction free viewing environment.

Ideally you want cold air to come from the front, as you don't want cooling air blowing over your neck, from the backside. That is a creature comfort thing.

However, I also wouldn't want anything that would potentially use the AT screen as a "filter". So how you execute that, would be my sole concern. (Outside of wanting a quiet mini split unit.)

I was going to suggest the blue X as a potential alternative for the av rack.
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If the av rack goes there, I would suggest you simply you it make a goal so there's no electronic displays visible to the viewer. The idea being a distraction free viewing environment.



Ideally you want cold air to come from the front, as you don't want cooling air blowing over your neck, from the backside. That is a creature comfort thing.



However, I also wouldn't want anything that would potentially use the AT screen as a "filter". So how you execute that, would be my sole concern. (Outside of wanting a quiet mini split unit.)



I was going to suggest the blue X as a potential alternative for the av rack.

I’m still wanting one showcase, even one with (gasp) glass! The blue X option allows it to at least face away from everything, hopefully mitigating the reflections from it (should I pursue this route).
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I would go for 2 or 3 large display cases and embed them in the storage wall.
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I would go for 2 or 3 large display cases and embed them in the storage wall.


I’m not sure to which wall you are referring, but i think you mean the alcove where the murphy bed will go? I’m curious (and appreciative)!

I have spousal issues with cutting into storage space, and sound proofing issues/ acoustical issues with having too much glass.
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