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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

Lighting Thoughts:
I am toying with the idea of ceiling lighting, after initially nixing the idea as I don’t want to compromise my soundproofing aspirations (resilient channel, double layer drywall, green glue).

I stumbled on these:

https://www.beeslighting.com/topaz-l...RND-12-WH-D-50




They would allow me to attack the J-boxes to joists OR the inside of a backer box, they’re ostensibly sealed, and they’d permit super small backer boxes with no major heat concerns. Thoughts appreciated!
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Follow up to the last post, and mind you, I am in nursery school of home theater building. Things are about to kick into gear now that my gas/ plumbing/ electrical is re-routed so i can dry-wall up everything.

The following is my proof-of-concept backer box for a recessed light, as my GC and electrician were kinda in the weeds on the concept.

Baby steps.




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Will the clips work, with a double layer of drywall? (You might need to make the first layer of drywall a larger hole.)

Other modifications you might consider is to add a wood flange to the box, which will give you 2 things: A wider area to do multiple beads of silicone caulking,
and as a bigger "target" to drive drywall screws into.

How far is that electrical wire from the open edge of the box? (I expect it is far enough away from a drywall screw hitting it.) The final step with is to simply caulk
the wiring where it enters the backer box.
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The sole negative comments I have heard about these lights, is that painting the trim rings black, is a PITA to do well, which kind of made me wonder how well they come apart, to paint them.
And that the white diffuser lens really stands out when used on dark ceiling.

I actually am using these light in the basement, right now. I am using 2x2" to create a long recessed trough b\y screwing them to the floor joists, and am doing runs of 3 fixtures in the trough. I
just wanted something a little less plain jane then a flat ceiling.
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Will the clips work, with a double layer of drywall? (You might need to make the first layer of drywall a larger hole.)



Other modifications you might consider is to add a wood flange to the box, which will give you 2 things: A wider area to do multiple beads of silicone caulking,

and as a bigger "target" to drive drywall screws into.



How far is that electrical wire from the open edge of the box? (I expect it is far enough away from a drywall screw hitting it.) The final step with is to simply caulk

the wiring where it enters the backer box.


Yep- flange will be added, and good point on the distance from the box to the tip of a drywall screw. This box is definitely larger than necessary, but it’s only a prototype. I needed to have something I can physically hand to my electrician so i could say, “Box go here. Wire go here. You put wire now.”

I haven’t even powered this guy up yet, but i heard they are plenty bright. I MAY experiment with making a black grill to cover up the led part. If I proceed with them i’ll just make an air-brushing masking jig for them.
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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showt...2#post57986552 post 186 on, is about those lights...

(Recognise the rack in the last picture of post 196? A budget bought rack! )

That Insul-Hold stuff is new to me, and local too.
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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showt...2#post57986552 post 186 on, is about those lights...



(Recognise the rack in the last picture of post 196? A budget bought rack! )



That Insul-Hold stuff is new to me, and local too.


Was JUST reading it (I’m following it) when i noticed your post referencing it. This is a good omen.
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Recessed lighting follow-up:

The light i tested is REALLY REALLY bright!

Lithonia Lighting WF6 LED 30K MW M6 13W Ultra Thin 6" Dimmable LED Recessed Ceiling Light, 3000K, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ND1L263..._MOmZCbCXSP4RT

For 12” above my eyes, it’s too bright. I have it mounted about 12’ high in my shop and it’s staying there.

Will trial some 3” lights and see if they are less blinding.
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How will you be controlling these lights?

The answer might be as simple as wiring in a dimmer, in the storage room, and set and forget the brightness level. (I have the 4" versions outside the theater and that run of lights will be controlled by 3 three way on/off switches.
with the dimmer in the furnace room. It's not an overly big space, so being able to tailor the maximum brightness is necessary.)
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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

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How will you be controlling these lights?



The answer might be as simple as wiring in a dimmer, in the storage room, and set and forget the brightness level. (I have the 4" versions outside the theater and that run of lights will be controlled by 3 three way on/off switches.

with the dimmer in the furnace room. It's not an overly big space, so being able to tailor the maximum brightness is necessary.)

I’m a home automation nerd- per Big’s recommendation, I’ll have all the switches in a separate room using either Insteon or Lutron controllers, and I’ll have wireless surface-mount switches in the theater.

Edit: I need to test them on dimmers first though. You never know how they’ll behave.

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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

I’m not sure if you have bought a rack yet? But this Navepoint rack off amazon is awesome. They come in shorter sizes as well if 42U is too much. It went together with ease and feels very sturdy, and has caster wheels.

It would be very easy to get some 1/8” or 1/4” wood, paint it black and use it for panels & a door. I opted not to because I think it looks good the way it is, and it’s hidden away in a closet.








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I’m not sure if you have bought a rack yet? But this Navepoint rack off amazon is awesome. They come in shorter sizes as well if 42U is too much. It went together with ease and feels very sturdy, and has caster wheels.

It would be very easy to get some 1/8” or 1/4” wood, paint it black and use it for panels & a door. I opted not to because I think it looks good the way it is, and it’s hidden away in a closet.








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I saw that one- thank you. Luckily, i have an incoming rack from the forum classifieds!


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Adult Cave! (but not in a creepy way) 13x16x7.5 ~1800 cubic feet

Really mundane but potentially helpful post for budding theater designers to learn from my error:

I just got a 3” version of a low profile down-light, thinking the backer box would be smaller than for a 6” light. Problem: sliding a 3x7x1.25”
junction box through a 1.25” thick, 3” wide drywall hole. Necessitates a much deeper box.







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Does that lid open in the enclosure, or does it slide off?

A 3" hole is kind of tight to get into, so I'd tempted to leave a loop of 120v wire so you can drop the box down and out of the hole, as a hedge against an inspection requiring future access to the wires and electrical nuts.
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Does that lid open in the enclosure, or does it slide off?



A 3" hole is kind of tight to get into, so I'd tempted to leave a loop of 120v wire so you can drop the box down and out of the hole, as a hedge against an inspection requiring future access to the wires and electrical nuts.


That’s EXACTLY the issue- future access. For it to be code, I need to be able to get at the box.

Now, of COURSE I am considering kludging a low-voltage power supply that can supply multiple lights, and placing THAT driver in a box in a utility room, but this introduces new problems. If you have thoughts on this approach, I’m open!
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Whenever I see this thread in the active topics I click on it because of the name! lol
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I do see two keyholes on the back, and locally one needs the 120v line to be secured at no more then 6" from the box so that math might work, to create the potential to drop the box below the hole perhaps?
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I do see two keyholes on the back, and locally one needs the 120v line to be secured at no more then 6" from the box so that math might work, to create the potential to drop the box below the hole perhaps?


You lost me there- which math and dropping which box below what hole?
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Whenever I see this thread in the active topics I click on it because of the name! lol

I’m happy to hear this. I don’t prefer the whole “man-cave” name, conjures images of stay-at-home mom’s and football-obsessed dads. Nothing wrong with either, but it ain’t me.

That said- the facial reactions are quite amusing when i’ve said i’m building “more of an adult cave.”

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The six inches of 120v wire before it needs to be stapled off, and the slack it might allow, for the box to slide off two screws via the keyhole design on the box, and hence be able to drop through the 3" hole for the LED.
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Maybe armoured conduit would allow more cable???
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The six inches of 120v wire before it needs to be stapled off, and the slack it might allow, for the box to slide off two screws via the keyhole design on the box, and hence be able to drop through the 3" hole for the LED.


Ah, I see now. Is it code for the junction box to be affixed to something? If so, then I really question whether the backer boxes are worth it for the 3” lights.
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Baby steps:
I am happy to report these lights:
Lithonia Lighting WF6 LED 30K MW M6 13W Ultra Thin 6" Dimmable LED Recessed Ceiling Light, 3000K, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ND1L263..._YGb1Cb37NPMAN

... dim REALLY well using Lutron Caseta dimmers:
Lutron P-PKG1WB-WH Caseta Wireless Smart Dimmer Switch and Remote Kit, White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HM6L48C..._RIb1CbWEXJAK2

As evidenced by my home automation test bed/ Children’s Learning Lab of Danger:
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More baby steps:
8 backer boxes for low profile lights. I plan to wrap them in drywall/gg. Thank god i got a table saw.




Tomorrow: Boxes for my 4 RSL C34E’s, and spray painting my ceiling where lights and atmos speakers will go.

It’s FINALLY getting real.

Edit: BONUS! Great deal on Mid Atlantic 34” 40U rack with casters!



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That rack is rather nice. Now is it a 40U vertical rack, or just materials for a credenza build?

The sides look deep enough that you could have the rack up front, and exposed to the smaller space. You could actually use some of that sliding rear rail, to create rack mountable
opening in the room itself.

I also wonder if that lockable rear door, could be fitted to the front of the rack. some of it could be cut open, and be given perforated steel plate for ventilation. If you wanted a rear door,
some plywood and lift off hinges would be a cheap solution.
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That rack is rather nice. Now is it a 40U vertical rack, or just materials for a credenza build?



The sides look deep enough that you could have the rack up front, and exposed to the smaller space. You could actually use some of that sliding rear rail, to create rack mountable

opening in the room itself.



I also wonder if that lockable rear door, could be fitted to the front of the rack. some of it could be cut open, and be given perforated steel plate for ventilation. If you wanted a rear door,

some plywood and lift off hinges would be a cheap solution.


Good thoughts- Since it will be nearish to my front speakers, I need to treat it with sone acoustic material, and the steel door on the back may not be ideal.

I COULD put the door on the front, though I’m on the fence about that aesthetic.

I was very much into the PC modding scene of the early 2000’s, so I’m confident I’ll figure out air-flow and cooling for the rack. I may even do something crazy with the rack to allow space in the middle (which might mitigate wall boundary interference).


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The bed in the corner might be a 'creepy' attribute I'd say!!! Haven't seen that in a theater yet!!

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I know of three home theaters, with a bed.

One is in a Miami condo and was featured in several HT Magazines.
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The bed in the corner might be a 'creepy' attribute I'd say!!! Haven't seen that in a theater yet!!


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