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The Black Sapphire Theater Project

Hello follow enthusiasts. My name is Scott, and I am starting this thread to document my theater room progress. As a bit of a background, I have been a audio/video and gadget hobbyist since 1990. My systems have evolved over the years, but I’ve never had a dedicated space to set up a movie room.

We recently moved into a new home and there is a rather large basement that I can use as I will for my home theater. Unfortunately, the room is definitely not ideal. However, I believe I can make it work and we will be able to enjoy it for years to come.

I am already well into this project, so the first several posts will just be catching up with where I am now and what decisions have been made thus far with regards to the room.

The room itself is in a finished basement. There is one egress window, which will have light blocking cellular shades and light blocking curtains. The dimensions of the main living area is 35’ x 16’ with 8’ ceilings (except where soffit is noted…which is 7’2” ceiling) (see photo of floorplan).

The equipment that I am bringing into the new house is as follows (I likely won't be using all of these):

Receiver: Marantz SR7010
Main Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio 100 v.5 (rosenut)
Center Speaker: Paradigm reference Studio CC-690 v.5 (rosenut)
Front Height Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio 20 v.5 (cherry)
Rear Speakers: Paradigm Millenia ADP
Rear Surround Speakers: Paradigm Reference Studio Esprit v.4 (rosenut)
Subwoofer: Dual JL Audio Fathom f113s (gloss black)

My first decision to make is….where to project an image? My options are:

1) Left short wall where egress window is. This wall is only 12’ long. My thought was to build a false wall to make the wall even with the bathroom. However, there was two issues with this placement. 1) There is a soffit that limits the ceiling height and screen width. 2) There is a support beam which would limit seating width and make seating off center. Surround speaker placement would be difficult and not symmetrical.

2) Right wall (or build false wall). This wall is 16’ long, but again is obstructed by the soffit and support beam, which is in a terrible place. Surround speaker placement would be difficult and not symmetrical.

3) Long wall, centered in between the support beams. This is not ideal. There is limited placement for projector (ceiling mounted on soffit would not have sufficient throw distance).
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So, I ultimately decided on option 3 for my screen wall (the long wall). I chose this location because it allowed me to project the largest image and gave me the best placement options for speakers with the least obstructions. For the solution to the projector mount problem, I decided to mount the projector in the storage area of the basement. I will either cutout the drywall and create a niche were the projector can sit, or just simply create a port in the wall where the image can go through. This will allow for a longer throw distance (increased for about 12’ to 15’10”) and it will keep it from having to be ceiling mounted on low soffit.

So now that I’ve decided where to project the image, this is my updated room plan (see attached).

For now, the plan calls for 1 row of seating in between the support beams.
The ceiling will be prewired for 4 Atmos speakers.
The rear speakers will be mounted about 48” from the floor on the wall behind the support beams (not ideal placement…but that is the best available location).
The audio/video components will be on the far right side of the room to be out of the way.
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We moved into the house at the end of January 2019. Here are a couple pictures of the basement so you can see what I have to work with. This will hopefully show why I decided not to project on on of the short walls.
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Knowing that the lead time for some custom built seating was 3+ months, I knew the next decision I needed to make was what seating to get. My limiting factors for seating was that I had 14' 6" between the support beams. I ultimately decided on:


Seatcraft Apex Two-Tone seats
  • Main color is Leather 7000 Midnight Blue
  • Accent color is Leather 7000 Gray
Row of 5 Curved with 1 loveseat

These were ordered from 4seating.com at the beginning of February and I am expecting delivery in early May.

Picture is of the seat I chose, but different colors and configuration.
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The next choice was what projector to get. With my projector mount issues, I needed a projector that had versatile lens shift options. I also wanted something that was affordable, and would also project a bright image so we could watch sports with dim lights on.

I decided on the Epson 5040UB. They were available for a very good price. Yes, I know that a new version is pending. However, this one will get me by until I upgrade to a full 4k projector rather than pixel shift.

I am going to hold off on buying a screen until I have the projector mounted, so I can be sure I order the correct size.

However, to get a head start on what I may decide, I placed the center channel speaker (which is on a new stand), to get measurements. I am height limited in the set up. I believe the largest I can go is 65" in screen height. Because of this, I will likely be opting for a scope screen.
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Before I can start setting everything up....I first need to paint. I'm going dark colors all the way around. I started with a sample of Space Black and Very Navy (both by Behr in matte finish).
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I did like the ceiling in Space Black, so I painted the 1st coat on the high ceiling area. I definitely needs a second coat.
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I chose to do the screen wall in a dark blue and the side and back walls in a dark gray. I think those colors will look good with the seating I ordered. I didn't like the Very Navy, so I painted the screen wall in Black Sapphire and finished the rest of the ceiling in Space Black (I still need to do the 2nd coat on the first section of ceiling I painted).
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With the dark ceiling and walls, I thought that the light beige carpet might be a distraction when viewing. So, I ordered an area rug. I had it sized so that it would fit in between the support beams and be large so that it would go from the front wall to just behind the seating. The dimension I ordered was 14' 6" x 13'. I ordered it from HT Market.

Reel Home Theater Carpet
Color - Slate (dark blues and grays)

It should be delivered in a week or two.
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That's where I stand now.

Upcoming tasks:
  • paint remaining walls
  • paint 2nd coat on ceiling
  • install dimmer
  • install ceiling speakers
  • create port through wall for projector and mount
  • order screen
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I can't believe you have that many moving pads to use as paint drop cloths.
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I can't believe you have that many moving pads to use as paint drop clothes.
LOL. Yeah....we just moved. In between houses, we stayed in an apartment and had most of our stuff in storage pods. I kept them for the painting, then I'm just going to get rid of them when I'm done.
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At least the Builder/Architect put 2 poles instead of one in the center! It's all about cost anymore. I do think that you are moving in the right direction. Looking forward to your progress.
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The painting has been completed. That was a major project, but still so much more to do.







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Looks great so far! Nice work..
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Created these on GIK Acoustics' website. Planning for some acoustical treatments is underway.
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Progress update since my last post:

1) Installed ceiling speakers
2) Took delivery of carpet
3) Purchased supplies needed to construct projector port hole from storage room
4) Started unboxing components and testing some equipment (without audio.....just running HDMI to projector and projecting on to wall to test HDMI cable, and activate/register components).

This weekends projects are:

1) Assemble audio rack (temporary until a can do a recessed in-wall)
2) Wire and hook-up all audio/video components and speakers.
3) Mount projector and rough-in the port hole (maybe trim it out if I have time).

I still have to wait until the end of May until my seating arrives. I will probably decide on a screen size once I get the projector mounted and can verify throw distances.

Here is where we stand today:

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It's been a few weeks since I last posted the progress on my theater project. Here's what's been accomplished since my last post:

- Cut out a port hole in the wall and mounted the projector in the storage area. I built an adjustable shelf for fine tuning height/level of the projector (more detail on that project to come in a later post).
- Routed HDMI cable to projector.
- Wall mounted surround speakers (only 2...this will be a 5.2.4 system for now). They are mounted 44" up from the floor (they look high, but the ceiling there at the soffit is only 7'1").
- Assembled new audio rack, hooked up all electronics, and wired all speakers.
- Installed some of the acoustic treatments. (Bass traps floor to ceiling in all corners and first reflection points on ceiling and side walls.) (I am still waiting for delivery of the rear wall diffuser/absorber panels.)

I did run into an electrical issue when testing my equipment. Whenever I had the volume cranked up to reference levels and some deep bass kicked in, my system would cut out briefly. The circuit breaker didn't trip, which was weird. However, if I plugged the subwoofers into an outlet that was on a different circuit, I didn't have the problem anymore. So, I have a security panel that has it's own dedicated circuit that now has an extension cord run to power the subwoofers. Not ideal, but the workaround works.


Hopefully, by the end of this week I will take delivery of the seating. That's when things should really start to come together. Once the seating is in, I will know for sure if the projector location is good. Once I've finalized the projector location....I can finally order the screen.

Here is where we stand now:







I also tested image size by throwing an image on the painted wall. This is about 150" wide.

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Man, I wish I had 150" in width. This is going to be a neat room.

I love the way the colors look in there, but I'm a little concerned about the effect they'll have on the perceived image.

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I like that mid grey, but didn't see a mention of what specific color it was--care to share?

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I like that mid grey, but didn't see a mention of what specific color it was--care to share?
The front wall and support pillars are Black Sapphire PPU15-19 (Behr Marquee Matte)
The remaining walls are Intellectual PPU18-19 (Behr Marquee Matte)
The ceiling is Space Black N460-7 (Behr Marquee Matte)
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Looking good there. I have a question about your screen name, are you formerly from Kansas City? KC Wolf Park was part of the Chiefs back in the day. Nice use of your space.

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The front wall and support pillars are Black Sapphire PPU15-19 (Behr Marquee Matte)
The remaining walls are Intellectual PPU18-19 (Behr Marquee Matte)
The ceiling is Space Black N460-7 (Behr Marquee Matte)
Thanks! I had originally thought about Sherwin Williams Peppercorn, but it's darker than I expected. This seems like a bit more of a mid-gray, without being too light.

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Looking good there. I have a question about your screen name, are you formerly from Kansas City? KC Wolf Park was part of the Chiefs back in the day. Nice use of your space.
Thanks. I’ve been a Chiefs fan since the 70’s. 👍
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Thanks. I’ve been a Chiefs fan since the 70’s. 👍
I thought so when I seen the screen name. I have been a fan since the mid to late 60's. My dad coached one the lineman on the Chiefs only Super Bowl win when he was in college and growing up in Missouri at the time you had two choices. Now my son doesn't care much for football and my wife doesn't want him playing so he is into soccer which isn't to bad since we have an MLS time here as well.

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The seating has finally been delivered:

Seatcraft Apex (My Choice - two tone), Row of 5 Curved in Midnight Blue and Gray (Leather 7000); power recline, power headrests, power lumbar, and built in SoundShakers.

Seating distance is now confirmed at 13' and I also confirmed that the projector clears those seated in the chairs...which is great news because I can keep the current throw distance (which was needed for the larger image. I also think I may have enough room for a couple of cuddleseat chairs to go on the floor in front. We'll see.








So now that the seating is in and project placement and seating distance are finalized....I can finally get to the business of ordering a screen.

I've decided to go with a Seymour AV Center Stage Premier Fixed Frame screen. Knowing the frame sizes....I measured my maximum height of the screen to be 64".

Here is a projected 16:9 image (114"w x 64"h - 130" diagonal)



Here is a projected 2:40.1 image (obviously...within the white lines) (153.6"w x 64"h - 166" diagonal)




So I am going to go with the 153.6" wide 2.40:1 screen with the magnetic masking panels for 16:9 material.

While I wait for the screen, I will be dressing up my projector port hole. A post on that project to come later.
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All major projects are complete. I still have some decorating and a little cable management to do, but my theater is finally in a usable state.





I will be ordering 1 more panel for the back wall. I should have ordered 5 originally. Poor planning on my part.




I did the subwoofer crawl and ended up relocating the 2nd subwoofer in the back right corner by the bar cabinet. So....not quite as a symmetrical look....but it's all about performance baby. :-)



You can see the hole I made for the projector. I dressed it up with a simple picture frame. I still am planning on trimming out the inside a bit with some foam board and velvet.



166" diagonal 2.40:1 screen.



Magnetic side masking panels for 16:9 viewing. 16:9 screen is 130" diagonal.
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That looks awesome! Great job on your build and congratulations!

7.4.4 Theater Room: JVC-RS46U, Silver Ticket AT 2.35:1 142”, Onkyo RZ830, Anthem PVA-7, Panasonic DBT-110, JBL Studio 270’s, 4 - 15" DIY Sealed Subs

3.1 Living Room: Samsung 64” F8500 Plasma, Anthem MRX 300, Dynaudio Audience 52’s, Dynaudio Audience 122C, NHT SubOne
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