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Please point me to ceiling fabric systems. I would like to cover my ceiling with one continuous fabric covering to hide my height speakers ,the grills detract from the look. I was hoping for something that would reduce the ceiling height the very least (thinnest option) and let the ceiling cans perforate though. Any help would be greatly appreciated.






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Hey Art take a look at this company, I would actually give them a call and explain your situation and I am sure they will come up with a solution for you. It’s funny when I was at your house for the gtg I really didn’t notice them but in the picture I can see why you would want to treat the ceiling.

Or just turn brightness down on your 2 projectors lol

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Like Duane said I recall them making a track system called fabri span for larger ceiling fabric setups

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What exactly is the construction of those grills? Maybe you just need a bunch more "grills", to fill in the rest of the ceiling?

And a plan to drop the spot lights.
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What exactly is the construction of those grills? Maybe you just need a bunch more "grills", to fill in the rest of the ceiling?

And a plan to drop the spot lights.

Plastic with a metal frame that grabs very tightly to the magnets on the periphery of each speaker.

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Hey Art take a look at this company, I would actually give them a call and explain your situation and I am sure they will come up with a solution for you. It’s funny when I was at your house for the gtg I really didn’t notice them but in the picture I can see why you would want to treat the ceiling.

Or just turn brightness down on your 2 projectors lol

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I chose the most egregious of pictures I could find to show the issue.

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What would be awesome if you could put velvet across the ceiling and where you speakers are out acoustic fabric, then you would have no reflection at all.


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What would be awesome if you could put velvet across the ceiling and where you speakers are out acoustic fabric, then you would have no reflection at all.


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I would like to use black acoustically transparent fabric like Rob Hahn's ceiling but without raising the entire ceiling to do it. I think my room sounds pretty good so it's a place I don't want to spend a lot of time and money. Saving for the next projector actually.


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Please point me to ceiling fabric systems. I would like to cover my ceiling with one continuous fabric covering to hide my height speakers ,the grills detract from the look. I was hoping for something that would reduce the ceiling height the very least (thinnest option) and let the ceiling cans perforate though. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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The track is a pretty easy to source from a number of vendors. Finding fabric suitable to do your entire ceiling without a seam is another issue, what is the minimum width fabric you would need for your room?
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I would like to use black acoustically transparent fabric like Rob Hahn's ceiling but without raising the entire ceiling to do it. I think my room sounds pretty good so it's a place I don't want to spend a lot of time and money. Saving for the next projector actually.





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another thought is to do something in the way of a unique panel design making an architectural statement on the ceiling. For example 3 ft diagonal hexagon panels tightly butted together creating a subtle pattern like the following. You would have your choice of a lot of available black acoustically transparent fabrics to cover your speakers and let the lights poke through. Cover the entire ceiling,


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another thought is to do something in the way of a unique panel design making an architectural statement on the ceiling. For example 3 ft diagonal hexagon panels tightly butted to together creating a subtle pattern like the following. You would have your choice of a lot of available black acoustically transparent fabrics to cover your speakers and let the lights poke through. Cover the entire ceiling,


Jeff I need to stop looking at your post. Your always coming up with unique ideas and making me want to change up my room. I really like the hexagon pattern idea

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I was thinking why not full width panels where there's no speaker grills, and then infill panels filling in between the wall to wall panels, and the removeable grills?
That would mean no ripping down a large pieces of fabric come upgrade time, or damaged speaker repair time.
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I wonder about ripping plywood to create something to attach to, and basically shoot staples through GOM fabric covered plywood panels? That also might know down some of that sheen off the ceiling,
and double down on how the course GOM fabrics in that room, add detailing to performance driven rooms.

The blue lines in the quickie drawing below, being the butted seams, of the panels. The speaker grills could be shimmed with thinner plywood, to create a flat ceiling, or the speaker be removed and given a shim,
to create a once again, flat ceiling.

The spot lights might be dropped easily, or simply played up, with accurately cut holes and maybe a wood trim ring, to hide the cut fabric edges?
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I like both Jeff's and Tedd's idea. I was thinking of doing a slatted drop ceiling to hide speaker boxes, light cans and any ceiling treatments within the soundproof shell but will think about both these options. I would like to totally hide my speakers including grills and with the ceiling panels I could do that. I just have a concern about fabric sag over time.
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There are spray fabric adhesives out there.., which also would come in handy to attach some insultation before the panels go up.

A drywall hoist would make installation easier, if one built a platform to accommodate the risers and the shifts in floor level.

I've (greatly) enjoyed two of Art's meets, so I do have a pretty good idea of how the room is constructed, while I tend to look at things, as me being "the guy"
who has to do the work, so there's an emphasis on really good, at how simple and easy I can reduce something too. Less costly is always looked at "preserved"
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I also wonder if there's an opportunity to construct a light trap up front, by angling some panels? That would attract some attention potentially to the ceiling up front, but
what I really remember about Art's room is the door in the rear corner, and tiers falling away and drawing the eye towards the big screen.

I expect this Hollywood theater uses those angled ceiling panels as far more then a wild detail. They might be there to suck up early reflections, but I expect they also wick up light
coming off of lower gain screen, and prevent a halo on the ceiling.

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There are spray fabric adhesives out there.., which also would come in handy to attach some insultation before the panels go up.
Spray adhesives would certainly work for plywood like you mentioned above but I was thinking of fabric covered frames like you would use on a wall so there would be a significant span. I would need this due to different heights of objects covered by the panels....can light housings, speakers, sound treatments etc.

Anyone know if a tightly stretched ceiling mounted fabric panel would sag over time?
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I would like to use black acoustically transparent fabric like Rob Hahn's ceiling but without raising the entire ceiling to do it. I think my room sounds pretty good so it's a place I don't want to spend a lot of time and money. Saving for the next projector actually.


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We used FabriTRAK in my room. It appeared pretty straightforward to install. Not terribly costly. Originally had the room spec'd for painted black ceiling. Fabric really made a nice esthetic difference (and hid more acoustical treatments.

I agree with you on Rob Hahn's ceiling. Very cool and nicely lighted.

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We used FabriTRAK in my room. It appeared pretty straightforward to install. Not terribly costly. Originally had the room spec'd for painted black ceiling. Fabric really made a nice esthetic difference (and hid more acoustical treatments.

I agree with you on Rob Hahn's ceiling. Very cool and nicely lighted.
Thanks ! Did you use one large piece of fabric or was it sections ?

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Thanks ! Did you use one large piece of fabric or was it sections ?

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Sections. Only option we had as the ceiling is tiered. Easier to place when in sections but I do have seams. But On my the ceiling, the seams are so hard to notice. I’m happy with the result.

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Sections. Only option we had as the ceiling is tiered. Easier to place when in sections but I do have seams. But On my the ceiling, the seams are so hard to notice. I’m happy with the result.

Can't wait to see it !

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We used Fabritrak and it works well. None of our coffers required more than 67" of width so we were able to get away with using Anchorage GOM.
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We used Fabritrak and it works well. None of our coffers required more than 67" of width so we were able to get away with using Anchorage GOM.
This is what I was wondering, my ceiling is one level a little less than 20' wide so it looks like at least four runs no matter what.

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This is what I was wondering, my ceiling is one level a little less than 20' wide so it looks like at least four runs no matter what.

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Fabritrak can do custom die lots of 192" wide fabric in whatever color you want. Still not 20' wide so you would need a seam somewhere.

There are plenty of 120" wide black fabrics on the market from Dazian, Rosebrand and others, but you'd still need a few seams.
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How far apart are those ATMOS speakers? Do you actually need to go wall to wall in that case?

Or maybe the ceiling is two large panels wide, and four/six/eight panels deep? The seams could be tight, or you could simply expose some of the
existing ceiling and create some low key design flair there, that doesn't draw any attention when a movie is playing.
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