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Final 5.2.4 HT setup - Suggestions welcome! Budget details inside

Hi everyone,

I am planning to build a dedicated HT with a 5.2.4 setup. My room size is 21 ft x 15 ft x 9 ft. I will use the room for movies, music and games (33% each)

Per my research, I have finalized the following:

1) Projector - JVC DLA-NX7 - $8000 approx

2) Screen - 4K 140" (approx) 16:9 Acoustically Transparent Fixed screen on the 15 ft wall (Elite Screens) - $2000 approx

3) Receiver - Marantz SR 7013 - $2100 approx

4) Subwoofers - SVS PB 2000 (2 subwoofers) - $1600 approx

5) Speakers L/C/R - Klipsch THX 8000 L

6) Speakers Surrounds (Two) - Klipsch KS-525-THX SURROUND SPEAKERS

7) Speakers Ceiling (for Atmos)(Four) - THX-5002-L IN-CEILING SPEAKER

Total Speaker cost for 9 speakers - $8000 approx

8) Cabling - Audioquest - $500 approx

I just wanted a sanity check to understand if all these parts work well together. Any suggestions would be welcome. I am open to other brands also, or any other setup style that would fit a 5.2.4 system.

My primary aim is to control cost, I don't have a budget as such but I really do not want to spend unnecessarily also.

I am happy to provide any further details if required. Thanks in advance!
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Did you do any research on building a room with sound isolation principles and installing acoustical treatments? These elements are just important as equipment selection.
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I would look at other solutions for cabling. Monoprice, Bluejean and others have quality cable for a lot less money. Anything but AudioQuest.

Atmos - Polk, Revel, RSL. Again, a money saver.

In - walls I have no experience with personally , but shop around.

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Well, I am pretty sure you will love that projector, so that is a great start!
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For me subs made such a huge impact that I might suggest upping the budget in that area. Go check out the SVS forums and reviews on the PB3000. From the reviews I have seen it is an exceptional bang for your dollar and worth the upgrade over the PB2000. Another set of subs with exceptional value for performance I have read about are the THX certified Monolith subs. HSU and Rythmik I have also read nothing but good about. Personally I am a big fan of Power Sound Audio (PSA). Depending when you buy you may want to keep an eye out on their outlet center. According to the PSA threads they are releasing a new line of subs and the speculation is they will get a lot of subs in trade in. My first sub from them was a trade in I got from the outlet center. Looked and performed as new and they still get a fresh 5 year warranty from time of purchase from them. You may find yourself in bargain.

You may want to get other's opinions on the surrounds. What are those, Dipole, Bipole? I remember reading in the Dolby Atmos guidelines those are not recommended.
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...guidelines.pdf
See note on bottom of page six.

I agree with what @nbk13nw said. For Atmos I think your speaker choice is overkill and a place you can save. Just going with a lower cost option of Klipsch in-cieling speakers will get you the effect you want. On Youtube Youthman has a couple videos where he plays Atmos content with just the height speakers connected. That will give you an idea of how much the height is actually in use.

For the same kind of money as the Marantz, why not go with the Denon AVR-X6500H? Same parent company, same set of key features, but extra two channels so you can go 7.2.4.

That's my two cents.

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Yes, Mains, center and sub or subs will have the major impact. I totally agree. I went from a single Paradigm 10" to dual HSU 12's to 4 18" and finally stopped there. Subs, to me anyway, had the largest impact in the home theater. It filled a hole that i never realized i was missing until i went down the rabbit hole.

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Did you do any research on building a room with sound isolation principles and installing acoustical treatments? These elements are just important as equipment selection.
Yes I have hired an AV specialist to do all the mentioned things.
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I would look at other solutions for cabling. Monoprice, Bluejean and others have quality cable for a lot less money. Anything but AudioQuest.

Atmos - Polk, Revel, RSL. Again, a money saver.

In - walls I have no experience with personally , but shop around.
Thank you! I would look into Monoprice.

Is it okay to have Atmos speakers of a different brand than your LCR's?
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Well, I am pretty sure you will love that projector, so that is a great start!
Haha thanks!
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For me subs made such a huge impact that I might suggest upping the budget in that area. Go check out the SVS forums and reviews on the PB3000. From the reviews I have seen it is an exceptional bang for your dollar and worth the upgrade over the PB2000. Another set of subs with exceptional value for performance I have read about are the THX certified Monolith subs. HSU and Rythmik I have also read nothing but good about. Personally I am a big fan of Power Sound Audio (PSA). Depending when you buy you may want to keep an eye out on their outlet center. According to the PSA threads they are releasing a new line of subs and the speculation is they will get a lot of subs in trade in. My first sub from them was a trade in I got from the outlet center. Looked and performed as new and they still get a fresh 5 year warranty from time of purchase from them. You may find yourself in bargain.

You may want to get other's opinions on the surrounds. What are those, Dipole, Bipole? I remember reading in the Dolby Atmos guidelines those are not recommended.
See note on bottom of page six.

I agree with what @nbk13nw said. For Atmos I think your speaker choice is overkill and a place you can save. Just going with a lower cost option of Klipsch in-cieling speakers will get you the effect you want. On Youtube Youthman has a couple videos where he plays Atmos content with just the height speakers connected. That will give you an idea of how much the height is actually in use.

For the same kind of money as the Marantz, why not go with the Denon AVR-X6500H? Same parent company, same set of key features, but extra two channels so you can go 7.2.4.

That's my two cents.
Thank you for the detailed reply! I am actually considering getting a pair of the PB3000's now!

I will also check out Monolith, HSU, PSA and Rythmik.

About the surrounds, why aren't dipoles recommended for Atmos? Any specific reason.

Yes I do realise I am spenidng a lot on the Atmos speakers, I will go with a lower cost option.

I heard that the Marantz pairs well with Klipsch, hence the choice, but yes, let me also consider Denon.
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Yes, Mains, center and sub or subs will have the major impact. I totally agree. I went from a single Paradigm 10" to dual HSU 12's to 4 18" and finally stopped there. Subs, to me anyway, had the largest impact in the home theater. It filled a hole that i never realized i was missing until i went down the rabbit hole.
Haha okay!
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Thank you for the detailed reply! I am actually considering getting a pair of the PB3000's now!

I will also check out Monolith, HSU, PSA and Rythmik.

About the surrounds, why aren't dipoles recommended for Atmos? Any specific reason.

Yes I do realise I am spenidng a lot on the Atmos speakers, I will go with a lower cost option.

I heard that the Marantz pairs well with Klipsch, hence the choice, but yes, let me also consider Denon.
I think the reason dipoles made sense in the older 5.1/7.1 setups as surrounds is they gave a wider dispersion of sound therefore filling the room more and sounding more ambient. With Atmos and DTSX they are trying to control where the sound is at in your room. They use 3+ speakers projecting sound so it seems like the sound is from XYZ point in your room. That can't be done if one of the speakers is pointing into two different directions. Those more knowledgeable than me could explain better. I have also seen Atmos setups with dipoles in use. I just followed the guidelines laid out by Dolby the best I could for my room.

For the same money I would go with the Denon to get the extra channels. I think of the two kinda like Toyota (Dennon) and Lexus (Marantz), especially during the early days of Toyota and Lexus. Basically the same car with different bodies and additional luxury in the Lexus. The only reason I have the Marantz 6012 I have is I got it for a stupid low price from a local authorized dealer making room for the new 6013. Those Klipsch will sound glorious driven by the Denon. Both brands share the same parent company like how Chevy and Buick are both GM, and use the exact same room correction software. You won't go wrong with it.

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I would save money on the screen Silver Ticket is as good or better than Elite:
https://www.silverticketproducts.com...str-169150-wab

Don't buy expensive cables get Monoprice or Blue Jeans

Have you looked into the Denon 4500H for a receiver. Same company that makes Marantz and should have everything you need and will save you about $500.

I would up the subwoofer budget and look into PSA, Ryhtmik as well. Or the SVS PB 4K
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For Atmos inceiling you want wide dispersion. I would look into the pro series in-ceiling line from Klipsch they should be better for Atmos than the ThX line and will save you money,
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Thank you for all the inputs. I was thinking of finalizing the products as below for a 7.2.4 setup:

I just wanted to do a sanity check before placing the order. Do let me know if all the components are good.

1) Projector - JVC DLA-NX7

2) Screen - Elite 4K Perforated Screen - SE150WH11-A4k fixed frame 150inch diagonal 16:9

3) Receiver - Anthem MRX 1120

4) Subwoofers - SVS PB 3000 (2 subwoofers)

5) Speakers L/C/R - Procella P6

6) Speakers Surrounds (Four) - Procella P5

7) Speakers Ceiling (for Atmos)(Four) - Paradigm CI HOME H65A Angled In Ceiling Height Speakers

I have the following doubts:

1) The dealer is recommending a Sim2 Domino 4 projector, which he is ready to give for the same price as the JVC. Is that a good option? I have never heard of this brand.

2) For the receiver, if I go for a Marantz 7013 and an Emotiva 2 channel power amp combo, instead of the MRX 1120, I can save around $1,000. But the MRX has Anthem Room Correction which is way better than the Auddessy? Is it worth it?

3) Other option is go for NAD T 777 v3 + 4 channel power amp which will cost me a bit more than the MRX 1120. Now the NAD has Dirac Live which is even better than Anthem Room Correction, I have heard. Is it worth it?

4) For Woofers, will a comparable XTZ be better than the SVS?

5) For speakers LCR, one option is the Klipsch 8000L THX series. I demoed them and found them to be a bit harsher than the Procella's. Should I reconsider or go for the Procella's, since it is also not a very well known brand to me.

6) Finally for the screen, the dealer is recommending Screen Research 149" Diagonal 16:9 Format Screen (ClearPix 4K AT Fabric) (10mm Bezel),but it is at a whopping cost of $4,000! Is that worth it?

Thank you everyone for the help!
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About the surrounds, why aren't dipoles recommended for Atmos?
Dipoles are a solution to a problem: how do you make a single pair of surround speakers sound like the long surround speaker arrays in movie theatres? Dipole speakers come closest to giving you that effect by projecting a null (quiet zone) directly to the side of the two sets of drivers. The idea is to have the listeners' ears in the null so that they hear mostly diffuse sound reflected from nearby walls and less direct sound from the surround speakers themselves.

But with home audio layouts now starting to use multiple surround pairs (Sides, Rears, even Wides), you get enough diffusion and envelopment that you no longer need the speakers themselves to be diffuse. Atmos allows movie mixers to use audio objects to place sounds at precise locations in the surround field rather than be stuck placing those sounds in surround channels that light up an entire wall (array) of speakers. Monopole speakers come closest to giving you that effect by being able to image sound with precision (just as dipoles come closest to sounding like an array).
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Some great tips above, I am on board with scrapping the thx speakers and going 7.2.4. Looks like a first class theater and the size is nice. IMO with everything you are doing at the rear channels. If you are unsure I would at least wire it.

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Thank you for all the inputs. I was thinking of finalizing the products as below for a 7.2.4 setup:

I just wanted to do a sanity check before placing the order. Do let me know if all the components are good.

1) Projector - JVC DLA-NX7

2) Screen - Elite 4K Perforated Screen - SE150WH11-A4k fixed frame 150inch diagonal 16:9

3) Receiver - Anthem MRX 1120

4) Subwoofers - SVS PB 3000 (2 subwoofers)

5) Speakers L/C/R - Procella P6

6) Speakers Surrounds (Four) - Procella P5

7) Speakers Ceiling (for Atmos)(Four) - Paradigm CI HOME H65A Angled In Ceiling Height Speakers

I have the following doubts:

1) The dealer is recommending a Sim2 Domino 4 projector, which he is ready to give for the same price as the JVC. Is that a good option? I have never heard of this brand.

2) For the receiver, if I go for a Marantz 7013 and an Emotiva 2 channel power amp combo, instead of the MRX 1120, I can save around $1,000. But the MRX has Anthem Room Correction which is way better than the Auddessy? Is it worth it?

3) Other option is go for NAD T 777 v3 + 4 channel power amp which will cost me a bit more than the MRX 1120. Now the NAD has Dirac Live which is even better than Anthem Room Correction, I have heard. Is it worth it?

4) For Woofers, will a comparable XTZ be better than the SVS?

5) For speakers LCR, one option is the Klipsch 8000L THX series. I demoed them and found them to be a bit harsher than the Procella's. Should I reconsider or go for the Procella's, since it is also not a very well known brand to me.

6) Finally for the screen, the dealer is recommending Screen Research 149" Diagonal 16:9 Format Screen (ClearPix 4K AT Fabric) (10mm Bezel),but it is at a whopping cost of $4,000! Is that worth it?

Thank you everyone for the help!
I have been researching lately myself but have no experience with projectors. From everything I have read the JVC projectors are incredible producing the best blacks. Now according to this calculator https://www.projectorscreen.com/proj...en-calculators that model won't be able to project onto a screen that size. I suggest double checking with owners or JVC directly.

Price on the screen seems ok. During my research I was looking into Screen Innovations and their 5 series fixed frame. Their screens have higher gain options for a brighter image. May be worth looking into them and getting a quote. Again, no personal experience.

Are you getting a screaming deal on that Anthem receiver? Retail on that is $3500. I say get the Denon AVR-X6500H for $2200 and use that savings and get two SVS PB4000 instead of the PB3000 and still save $400. Audyssey is a fine room correction and I think what advantages ARC may have would not be as significant has having more capable bass.

I like what I have read about the PB3000. My cousin has a PC2000 and I know someone that has dual PB16s that I have listened to, So I know SVS makes an excellent product. I have read great performance on the XTZ but their customer service and warranty repair response to be average at best. SVS has a strong reputation of excellence on both fronts.

As for speakers and the Procella brand name? Well I found this https://www.trinnov.com/2018/12/12/t...-for-ise-2019/
I know who Tinnov is so I wouldn't fret over that choice especially since you liked the sound better than the Klipsch. I think the Paradigm will be perfect as Atmos. Have you heard them? You like the way they sound as well?

The prices and comparisons I mentioned are for US. I may have overlooked, but I didn't see if you mentioned you are elsewhere in the world?

Anyway, that is my perspective.

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Dipoles are a solution to a problem: how do you make a single pair of surround speakers sound like the long surround speaker arrays in movie theatres? Dipole speakers come closest to giving you that effect by projecting a null (quiet zone) directly to the side of the two sets of drivers. The idea is to have the listeners' ears in the null so that they hear mostly diffuse sound reflected from nearby walls and less direct sound from the surround speakers themselves.

But with home audio layouts now starting to use multiple surround pairs (Sides, Rears, even Wides), you get enough diffusion and envelopment that you no longer need the speakers themselves to be diffuse. Atmos allows movie mixers to use audio objects to place sounds at precise locations in the surround field rather than be stuck placing those sounds in surround channels that light up an entire wall (array) of speakers. Monopole speakers come closest to giving you that effect by being able to image sound with precision (just as dipoles come closest to sounding like an array).
Thank you. The education was helpful for me as well.

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I have been researching lately myself but have no experience with projectors. From everything I have read the JVC projectors are incredible producing the best blacks. Now according to this calculator https://www.projectorscreen.com/proj...en-calculators that model won't be able to project onto a screen that size. I suggest double checking with owners or JVC directly.

Price on the screen seems ok. During my research I was looking into Screen Innovations and their 5 series fixed frame. Their screens have higher gain options for a brighter image. May be worth looking into them and getting a quote. Again, no personal experience.

Are you getting a screaming deal on that Anthem receiver? Retail on that is $3500. I say get the Denon AVR-X6500H for $2200 and use that savings and get two SVS PB4000 instead of the PB3000 and still save $400. Audyssey is a fine room correction and I think what advantages ARC may have would not be as significant has having more capable bass.

I like what I have read about the PB3000. My cousin has a PC2000 and I know someone that has dual PB16s that I have listened to, So I know SVS makes an excellent product. I have read great performance on the XTZ but their customer service and warranty repair response to be average at best. SVS has a strong reputation of excellence on both fronts.

As for speakers and the Procella brand name? Well I found this https://www.trinnov.com/2018/12/12/t...-for-ise-2019/
I know who Tinnov is so I wouldn't fret over that choice especially since you liked the sound better than the Klipsch. I think the Paradigm will be perfect as Atmos. Have you heard them? You like the way they sound as well?

The prices and comparisons I mentioned are for US. I may have overlooked, but I didn't see if you mentioned you are elsewhere in the world?

Anyway, that is my perspective.
Thank you for the detailed reply. I am based out of India actually!

I spoke to the JVC guys, the screen size is not an issue.

I'll check out the SI screen.

Instead of a Denon 6500h, I could get a 4500h + 2 channel amp and save quite a bit, compared to the MRX 1120. I just wanted to understand if the extra cost is worth it. In INR terms, I would save about a lakh, which would let me make the jump to a pair of SVS 4000 since they cost 50k more each. You think that is a better allocation?

I have heard the Procella and the Paradigm's. They both sound good to me!
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