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Got the black done. Now I need to get the can light bulbs back in and mount the led Light strips and see if I like it.




Also did the equipment alcove

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Started working on the stage this weekend





So I assume sand in just the larger cavities and insulation in the smaller correct?
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Just came across this build, what an amazing job so far! Keep it up!

I really like your sofit design, might have to do something similar when I do mine.

With the stage I've seen most people just fill the whole stage up, some even mix the sand with saw dust to prevent it the sand from harding.
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Just came across this build, what an amazing job so far! Keep it up!

I really like your sofit design, might have to do something similar when I do mine.

With the stage I've seen most people just fill the whole stage up, some even mix the sand with saw dust to prevent it the sand from harding.
Thanks Nicolas! Big mentioned the sawdust as well so I have been saving that and I have a couple of 35 gallon bags ready to go.

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be sure sand is under any speakers. So those shorter sections on the L/R. Insulation is probably fine in the front steps. Don't forget to scribe the tops of the steps before you put the top of the back on.
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Not much time tonight but I got the smoke detector back together and installed...much better




Then I painted the can light bezels with flat black high temp grill spray paint after wiping them down good




Also got the railings for the basement stairs cut and glued together. BTW they were cut on a chop saw they are just sitting on the TS


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There was a thread on here awhile back comparing sand in the stage vs fiberglass insulation - subjective impressions and objective measurements - found no difference. Might save your back and a mess......
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Yes I read that thread with great interest and he concluded that he couldn't measure or detect a difference. We don't know the quality of test gear or the procedure, not to diminish his efforts in any way but I've stomped my size 12 gunboats on many stages and I can promise you if I ever build another stage for personnel use it will have sand if possible. Even if I have to hire a young kid to carry it for me. Sand filled stages and speaker stands are just dead when you stomp on them. They won't color the sound in any way. They also should diminish propagation of sound through the structure.
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Thanks guys! Given the fact that I will have a HSU VTF-3 MK5 sitting on the far end I will be using sand/sawdust in the larger cavities and insulation on the smaller steps. Luckily for me this is a walk out basement and its a really small stage so it shouldn't be too terrible, I hope.

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Yes I read that thread with great interest and he concluded that he couldn't measure or detect a difference. We don't know the quality of test gear or the procedure, not to diminish his efforts in any way but I've stomped my size 12 gunboats on many stages and I can promise you if I ever build another stage for personnel use it will have sand if possible. Even if I have to hire a young kid to carry it for me. Sand filled stages and speaker stands are just dead when you stomp on them. They won't color the sound in any way. They also should diminish propagation of sound through the structure.
Would closed cell foam work the same way? I know spraying it under metal roofs makes a huge impact on sound transmission and when walking on the roof it is solid no matter where you step.

Maybe build the stage upside down, spray it, trim off any over spray and flip back over..
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doing anything to sheet metal makes a big difference. not sure about closed cell foam in a wood stage.
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subscribed. this is looking good. it's also the same room dimensions as what I'm planning so I'm very interested to watch the build progress.
What heights are you planning for your rear and side surrounds?
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subscribed. this is looking good. it's also the same room dimensions as what I'm planning so I'm very interested to watch the build progress.
What heights are you planning for your rear and side surrounds?
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LCR - Definitive Technology DI6.5LCR (3)
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BOSS - JBL CS1214 (8)

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Thanks!

Speakers are as follows:

LCR - Definitive Technology DI6.5LCR (3)
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Cool. I was wondering about the placement of your speakers. will you do the sides between the two rows or right at the first row? How high up are you planning to mount the surrounds? at ear level relative to the 1st row or 2nd?
After seeing your build, I changed my layout to mimic yours with theater chairs in the back row. Im using DIYSG Cobalts, but may go with inwall for the rears now that the back row is so close to the wall. I'm still trying to determine placement of the surrounds though. I'm thinking about putting the sides just behind or in line with the front row, and having the rears and sides at 54" from the base floor.... this should put all the surrounds on the same listening plane and have them just high enough so the rears come out right above the back seats. It's a little higher than "ear level" at the main listening position, but so far is the best compromise I've come up with.

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Yeah the theater seats really provided the best of both worlds for us (thanks BIGmouthinDC.) Going this route allowed us to have the desired number of seats without putting the front row in the center of the theater, a no no. The space is really better suited to a single row but that was not an option for us. While typically it will be my wife and I when the kids and there spouses are home for the holidays and other special events we need eight seats so that was something we were not willing to give up on. My wife was not a fan at first but now that we have them her first response was wow these are more comfortable than the theater . The 5' riser provides 14" behind the seat so they are not right against the back wall and still plenty of leg room (i'm 6'2) in front . Another bonus is they saved me about $1500 so while my build time is 9 months over plan budget wise I'm only about $1,200 over.

Regarding speaker placement I haven't determined the height quite yet but the side surrounds will be in columns just behind the front chairs. The columns will be on the steps (at the back) if that helps. I am starting on the columns tonight so more to come.
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Started on the columns this week

First up I cut the sheet goods down to a manageable dimension, Using MDF becuase they will be painted black.



Then cut them to final width on the TS


Made a test piece to dial in the dado and the round over on the front. On the final design I reduced the setback by 1/4" I thought it flowed better.




Then I batched them all out at the TS and the router table




Next up I worked on one of the inner panels. The first one will be used as a router template for the other five.




Finaly for this update I started on the cloth panel backer. I'll be using velcro to attach the cloth panels to the columns
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Yeah thx for the detailed pictures PK.

It gives "Would-be's" like myself ideas & direction on the way things should be done.

Once I've TOTALLY finished this project (probably xmas) I've got a 3 bay shed that's going to be transformed into a work-station like yours......since I've now accumulated enough tools to help Noah build the ark.

In time I may hit you up for some tips on that transformation if time down your end permits.

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Yeah thx for the detailed pictures PK.

It gives "Would-be's" like myself ideas & direction on the way things should be done.

Once I've TOTALLY finished this project (probably xmas) I've got a 3 bay shed that's going to be transformed into a work-station like yours......since I've now accumulated enough tools to help Noah build the ark.

In time I may hit you up for some tips on that transformation if time down your end permits.

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So today the first task was to batch out the speaker enclosure materials



Next up I added a larger bearing to my router bit to give me a 3/8"offset for the speaker recess. Then I knocked out the first two for the rear columns




Test fit, that'll work.


Then I took the rear columns into the theater to determine where to place the mounting points as well as determine placement




So this is what I am thinking, anybody see an issue with the height? I have good angles per the Dolby doc but still debating if I want to lower them a couple inches so they clear the chair but a head could get in the way.



Then I started gluing these two up




Fixed a crack with some CA glue and accelerator



Other than final mounting of the speaker enclosures these two are ready for the finishing process. One thing to note, I left a 1 1/2" channel on the side of the speaker enclosures for power access if needed



This will be a busy week on the theater. Hope to knock out the other four columns Mon-Wed, We are heading to HT Market in Chicago Thursday for a Friday appt to chose the front row seating, then head back home Friday afternoon so I can get the door and black soffit strip lights installed so that the room is ready for Jeff @NightSkyMurals to paint the ceiling on the 1st
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So this is what I am thinking, anybody see an issue with the height? I have good angles per the Dolby doc but still debating if I want to lower them a couple inches so they clear the chair but a head could get in the way.
Great update, those are really coming along!!

IMO, the chair is the key, depending on headrest height. I kept mine @ spec, on the hopes that clearing the chair and a head would get some rear channel signal past the back row (MLP) to the front. IDK how much that really works out tho, since the EQ and db level are set to the rear row...
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Your shop looks like mine - like a Festool and Woodpeckers factory exploded lol.

Great work on the columns I always love to see some serious woodworkers attack these theater related projects...
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Thanks! Its a hobby for me. This is my second shop I started out in a single stall about 25 years ago and built this one about 15 years ago. Re tools I have been amassing/refining for a long time now. I've picked up a few new hand tools over the last few years but other than that pretty much set up at this point.

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Great work on the columns I always love to see some serious woodworkers attack these theater related projects...
I love me some Festool! Its all over priced in my opinion but nothing works better either so I continue to buy. In my defense I do try to pick things up on the refurb site for some pretty good deals, all have come looking like new (to me) at 20/30% discounts

Woodpeckers makes good xmas gift idea's for the family. Their Paolini Rule and 3" mini square are always within reach in my apron pockets.
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Thanks! Its a hobby for me. This is my second shop I started out in a single stall about 25 years ago and built this one about 15 years ago. Re tools I have been amassing/refining for a long time now. I've picked up a few new hand tools over the last few years but other than that pretty much set up at this point.



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I love me some Festool! Its all over priced in my opinion but nothing works better either so I continue to buy. In my defense I do try to pick things up on the refurb site for some pretty good deals, all have come looking like new (to me) at 20/30% discounts



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I'm old to, it came out when I graduated high school. The theater hobby is expensive enough and can't really afford that.

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Woodpeckers makes good xmas gift idea's for the family. Their Paolini Rule and 3" mini square are always within reach in my apron pockets.
Yes I do too. And they are overpriced - a lot of plastic and pieces that I would expect to be more robust for the price - however like you said nothing works better. There's just no substitute for a domino joiner or a Rotex sander. What sent me fully down the Festool road was my old Craftsman router and the INSANE amount of dust it made. It drove me so nuts that I avoided using a router unless absolutely unavoidable. Then on hearing about the Festool dust collection I bought an OF 1400 EQ and it was a revelation. Not only was it better there was NO DUST AT ALL. I was stunned. That led to my getting rid of my dust throwing miter saw for a Kapex then a Rotex then a Domino 500 etc etc. Those green boxes multiply once one of them makes their way in...

Yes I like both of those a lot. They're well thought out items - can't tell you how many times I use their centering rules or T squares. Some of the One Time Tools I find to be a bit ludicrous - but I've also bought about a dozen of them lol. My favorites are the pocket compass and the stubby marking gauge. I wish I had bought the Dowel Maker as I make Rob Cosman style wooden hinges often but I just couldn't justify the $450 for it.

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Love the progress...and the clamp porn in the last photo!
Awesome progress so far. The blue on black ceiling look amazing! And I definitely have to agree with the clamp porn comment as well!!! Amazing looking shop all around!
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Wow!!! Awesome craftsmanship! This build is amazing.
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AVR 1-Yamaha RX-A3050 (7.2.4), AVR 2 Pioneer VSX-815-K(Used for 4ch Amp TF+TR)
Mains-Polk Audio RTi8, Center-Polk Audio CSi5, Surrounds-Polk Audio RTi4, Ceilings-Micca M-8C, Sub 1- UM18-22 (4cu.ft DIY) - iNuke 6000DSP, Sub 2-Klipsch RW12D
Projector-BenQ 3550 4K, Screen-110" Silver Ticket STR-169110, TV-Vizio P-65 4K
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... I wish I had bought the Dowel Maker as I make Rob Cosman style wooden hinges often but I just couldn't justify the $450 for it.
Check out the Elkhead tools Dowel Shaper (DS) for about $100 you can get the 1/4" one and make all the wooden hinges you want


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