Originally Posted by p3bham
These DIYSG speakers will obliterate any speaker you can get at Best Buy and frankly it's not close.
As to the sizing of the speakers, what MM and I are referring to is twofold. Firstly, since you are in a relatively smaller room, you don't need huge tower speakers (the DIYSG Titans or 1099's for instance). Bookshelf size speakers along with proper subwoofers will easily give you room filling sound. The second, and perhaps more pressing concern is that if you are planning an acoustically transparent screen (which you 100% should) then you have to consider how much room the speakers you choose will need behind that screen - potentially taking away length from your room that is at a premium.
While DIYSG speakers are rightfully acknowledged as "value added" choices that outperform for the dollar spent, their simplistic design elements are not really applicable in this "Basement Crawl Space Theater" ( I like that designation!
) The Volt 6's are great for rooms that have some space (distance) that lets their disbursement characteristics do their magic...but size and distance here are sadly lacking...especially the Ceiling height and the depth the Front (Screen) Wall can be brought out. Even 12" would impact both Screen size and PJ placement, not to mention that any sized screen small enough to deal with the available Throw distance would be just too small "width-wise" to allow for a decently expansive Sound Stage with defined separation.
Saying all that....I can see the possibility of inserting 2 Volt-6 (Ported) Flat Packs side-by-side into 2 -16" o.c. cut-outs in the Wall behind the Screen for a robust Center Channel. They are only 6.75" deep including the Front Plate, so a 1x4 Framed Spandex Screen would cover such inserts just right, giving up only 3.5" room depth at Center
Due to these factors and the budget DIYSG is the only thing I would put in that room. Depending on how it looks with the space you have I would either use three HTM-8 for your L/C/R
Excepting the Center Channel, the HTM-8 's would serve great duty as Front Mains. And recessed Volt 6 Ported for the Side Surrounds
However that is where any possibility of using DIYSG speakers stop. Except................
I would do DIY subs , you will have a system that's better than anything you've heard at your local theater I assure you.
Awwwww...........now that's kinda stretchin' things a bit thin there. But it would be a safe bet sayin' he'd get a lot more performance for his dollars spent
I'll second the DIYSG Subs idea...if the right selection can be made.
...... being far enough away from your speakers so that no one single speaker overwhelms you and ruins the soundfield. It's also about more technical things such as the dispersion characteristics of your speakers and making sure the angles from your ears to the speakers fall within the Dolby Atmos recommendations. But a good rule would be to stay 4-5 feet away from any speaker - including the ones on your back wall. That's why Atmos speakers will be problematic for you with the low ceiling. That being said, I'd still 100% put them in lol.
All well said.....but for Atmos he will need Ceiling Speakers with Positional Woofers / Tweeters so as to direct the Atmos effects into the specific listening area. He's working with a extremely low Drop Ceiling and limited width so his best route is to directional-ize the Atmos effects lest they plummet straight down from their position. I suppose there is the remotest chance that if the Ceiling Joists run across the Room from side to side, opposite the Screen Wall, that Angled Volt 6 Ported units could be inset with only the "wedge" below the Drop Ceiling, set in place to direct the Atmos effects into the listening area. But Murphy is slinking about, waiting to disrupt our plans so no small amount of reconnoitering must be done before too much else is related about what would / should be his ideal speaker choices.
The audio part is more where my knowledge lies. I'm still learning about the video side of it. However, you definitely don't want to get into a situation where you're having to turn your head to see the whole screen or where it's giving you a headache or something. I will refer you to MississippiMan and Big for those questions as they are both very knowledgeable and far more experienced than I.
Well..., I certainly tread heavily on your domain above...but for the right reasons I hope...and in the end I did try to see how DIYSG could be incorporated in a working design.
The screen sizes he can consider, and if he goes with...say...a Epson 5050, he's going to be in for a superb Audio & Visual experience using Spandex for a AT Screen
Originally Posted by Alan Bernard
Well that is all kinds of intriguing. I haven't done any soldering since shop class many, many moons ago, but basic assembly sounds easy enough. I guess I just don't get why people pay a premium for a name speaker like B&W or Paradigm if they can get equal or better sound from a DIY kit.
Either ignorance of the availability of such....or simply because they lack the desire / time / or skill set to consider DIY over a "Bring it home and set it up" purchase. Hells Bell! Some go so far as to buy at the Big Box Store and then have a "Geek" come and do their handi-work for them. Pitiful.
What the heck is all that craftsmanship, patents and technological advances from the name companies accomplishing?
The appearance of desirable quality.....and justified by inflated prices. Now some do excel at their stated purpose, but to make that determination takes some effort if one isn't buying into the Ad Hype.
How far away should seating be from side walls? Or is the issue more with distance from speakers? Also, is the rule of thumb to have the surrounds and the mains equidistant from the listening position? Does room correction overcome situations where surrounds are a lot closer? Sorry, I'm sure these are very basic questions and I really should be doing more research before asking them, but...I'm lazy lol
Yeah...ya shud......but don't beat yourself up about it....it's nothing we haven't had to put up with before.....repeatedly.
Toss out all the Dolby diagrams and standard equations....you room will require special consideration from front to back& side to side.
I've wondered at what distance the weave will be apparent. Has anyone on this site ever posted distance measurements for various types of screens?
With Spandex, you must crowd up to within 3' to start to even begin to see any trace of a weave. Put that worry out of your mind.
I totally get the idea that increasing visual angle to a "small" screen can give the impression of a larger image (it's why my couch is so close to my big screen TV currently), but I want the room to look and feel as much like a cinema as possible. Perhaps this can be done just as well with a 100" screen. I mean, it's still bigger than an 85" TV right?
I'll have to think about it. Once I'm able to project onto the walls in the room I'll probably get a better sense of it. I've been reading that as long as the visual angle to the top and bottom is no more than 15 degrees, and to the sides no more than 50 degrees total, you won't get eye strain or have to be moving your head to follow the action. Would you say that's accurate?
You will be given the screen size / PJ Placement, and how both relate to the seating choices and location. Stop reading about rooms and circumstances that in no way relate to what you / we are dealing with here....with a Basement Crawl Space Theater.
....and don't worry, your Screen will be every bit as big as possible...I'll see to that if allowed.
Again, thanks a ton for the feedback.
Sorta like something is screechin' in your ear, I suppose.