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Question 11.8 x 16.1 media room suggestions?

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I'm completely new to this. I just bought a new house through a builder. We chose a media room option with prewiring for projection and 7.1 atmos. Its 11.8 x 16.1. I'm sharing pics of the room because I was wondering what you all would suggest for screen size and speakers. I'd really like to get a 120 inch zero edge in there but the Magnolia people are telling my 110" would be better. What do you guys think? I measured the space between the front panels and its a little more than 106 inches, maybe 107 inches. I'm pretty set on getting the Epson 5050ub projector.

Any advice on the receiver, they initially were trying to sell me the Marantz SR 6014, but due to my budget suggested a downgrade to the SR 5014. Thoughts? Any good budget in wall speaker suggestions?

We are planning on installing barn doors to the entrance.

Thanks for all suggestions!
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Hi all,



I'm completely new to this. I just bought a new house through a builder. We chose a media room option with prewiring for projection and 7.1 atmos. Its 11.8 x 16.1. I'm sharing pics of the room because I was wondering what you all would suggest for screen size and speakers. I'd really like to get a 120 inch zero edge in there but the Magnolia people are telling my 110" would be better. What do you guys think? I measured the space between the front panels and its a little more than 106 inches, maybe 107 inches. I'm pretty set on getting the Epson 5050ub projector.



Any advice on the receiver, they initially were trying to sell me the Marantz SR 6014, but due to my budget suggested a downgrade to the SR 5014. Thoughts? Any good budget in wall speaker suggestions?



We are planning on installing barn doors to the entrance.



Thanks for all suggestions!
If you are going to go with two rows of seating and assuming you will need 6 feet for the rear row, you will be left with about 10 feet from the front wall to the first row of seats. That is 120 inches. The Epson 5050ub is a bright projector. So technically you could sit at a 1:1 distance of screen width to seating distance and still have a great experience. The screen width of a 120 inch diagonal screen is 105 inches. So you should be fine with a 120 inch screen. However if you decide to go with an AT screen you will lose another 3 feet (i.e space between screen to back wall) and distance between screen to seating position drops to 7 feet or 84 inches. At this distance you can accommodate a 96 inch screen with two rows of seating. If you decide to go for one row of seating then the distance between your AT screen and first row could be longer and you can accommodate a 120 inch screen. So the choices in front of you are as follows:

1. Do you want an AT screen or not?
2. Do you want a single row of seats or two row of seats?
3. If you went with an AT screen are you willing to give up one row of seats to be able to preserve the 120 inches?

In all cases above you want to use the projector calculator to see if the projector can throw the image size you need from the projector location.

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If you are going to go with two rows of seating and assuming you will need 6 feet for the rear row, you will be left with about 10 feet from the front wall to the first row of seats. That is 120 inches. The Epson 5050ub is a bright projector. So technically you could sit at a 1:1 distance of screen width to seating distance and still have a great experience. The screen width of a 120 inch diagonal screen is 105 inches. So you should be fine with a 120 inch screen. However if you decide to go with an AT screen you will lose another 3 feet (i.e space between screen to back wall) and distance between screen to seating position drops to 7 feet or 84 inches. At this distance you can accommodate a 96 inch screen with two rows of seating. If you decide to go for one row of seating then the distance between your AT screen and first row could be longer and you can accommodate a 120 inch screen. So the choices in front of you are as follows:

1. Do you want an AT screen or not?
2. Do you want a single row of seats or two row of seats?
3. If you went with an AT screen are you willing to give up one row of seats to be able to preserve the 120 inches?

In all cases above you want to use the projector calculator to see if the projector can throw the image size you need from the projector location.

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Hi and thanks for the reply!

1. No plan for an AT screen
2. Would like to keep the 2 rows of seats

So projector to wall is about 12.5 feet. I went to projectorcentral.com and the attached were the numbers I got. Thoughts? Is that enough distance?
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Hi and thanks for the reply!



1. No plan for an AT screen

2. Would like to keep the 2 rows of seats



So projector to wall is about 12.5 feet. I went to projectorcentral.com and the attached were the numbers I got. Thoughts? Is that enough distance?
Why is your throw distance showing 16 feet?

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I think it might be a range? If you look there is a blue bar ranging from 11’0” to 24’10”.
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if you use the calculator properly it shows a screen diagonal range 61 to 127 from 12'6". Keep in mind that distance is lens to screen, not projector mount to screen.

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if you use the calculator properly it shows a screen diagonal range 61 to 127 from 12'6". Keep in mind that distance is lens to screen, not projector mount to screen.

Ah I see now. Thanks for that. Any recommendations on the receiver?
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if you use the calculator properly it shows a screen diagonal range 61 to 127 from 12'6". Keep in mind that distance is lens to screen, not projector mount to screen.

So could you mount the projector in line with wiring and outlet? Or could you mount it behind the outlet and wiring to increase the distance?
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Ah I see now. Thanks for that. Any recommendations on the receiver?
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So could you mount the projector in line with wiring and outlet? Or could you mount it behind the outlet and wiring to increase the distance?
You can mount it behind then tuck the wires up tight to ceiling and then to the rear of the projector, you need to do some research on what they have up in the ceiling to attach the projector mount to, you shouldn’t mount just to drywall, you need something solid, a joist or blocking.

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So could you mount the projector in line with wiring and outlet? Or could you mount it behind the outlet and wiring to increase the distance?
You can mount it behind then tuck the wires up tight to ceiling and then to the rear of the projector, you need to do some research on what they have up in the ceiling to attach the projector mount to, you shouldn’️t mount just to drywall, you need something solid, a joist or blocking.
So this is the pre drywall construction picture of the the outlet and wiring. Should be doable to mount behind the wiring?
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looks like this is attic space and you could crawl up there an install some cross bracing if you wanted. Your projector is only 25 lbs and attaching it to a single one of those 2x6s should be sufficient to hold it, but just barely. some blocking would be better.


On a separate note someone should arrest the person planning the wiring layout for this room. Why place one end of the HDMI cable for a receiver in the middle of the front wall below a screen, pretty old school. And where is the speaker wiring?

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I don’t think the speaker wiring was completely finished yet. But the pictures are for the front speaker wiring, or at least where the panels are going to be. Per the Magnolia People, they will only be able to do 110” screen due to the placement of front in wall speakers in relation to the wood beams. What do you think?
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The vertical wood pieces are called studs. You could do Triad inwall speakers but instead mount them on wall. then your screen could be as wide as you want within the limits of the wall. Triads are mounted on wall all the time. You need to get some distance from the Magnolia "experts". They are experts at what they want to sell you not all options available to you. Pics of a project with triads mouted on wall. You will lose about 6-8 inches of room length.
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The vertical wood pieces are called studs. You could do Triad inwall speakers but instead mount them on wall. then your screen could be as wide as you want within the limits of the wall. Triads are mounted on wall all the time. You need to get some distance from the Magnolia "experts". They are experts at what they want to sell you not all options available to you. Pics of a project with triads mouted on wall. You will lose about 6-8 inches of room length.

Forgive my ignorance, but can't they just set the speakers lateral to the stud/vertical board on either end? I measured the distance between the plates and if the speakers are a bit farther out , wouldn't a 120" fit just fine?

Should I just go with floor standing speakers? I don't want to lose any length to the room.

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Maybe I’ll try to estimate the dimensions of the stud bays in the morning. What speakers and what screen brand?
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I think it might be a range? If you look there is a blue bar ranging from 11’0” to 24’10”.
I fixed it at 12'5" and this is the result I got. You could go up to 127 inches. See below.

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So this is the pre drywall construction picture of the the outlet and wiring. Should be doable to mount behind the wiring?
Look at how I installed blocking between joists to mount the projector.

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I fixed it at 12'5" and this is the result I got. You could go up to 127 inches.

see post 7 and 8 a better graphic, yours is based on 2'6"

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OK, working from the photo, not sure if you meant the room was 11.8 ft wide or 11' 8". Really doesn't matter. If you place the speakers in the stud bays as shown you should use a screen that is at least 112 inches wide. (128 diagonal for a 16:9 screen) They should install the center speaker first to make sure the speaker just clears that diagonal bracing and line the L/R up at the same height. The screen frame can not block the speaker. Be aware that the larger the screen the more you need to be concerned about seeing the bottom of the image from the second row. You need to assess your needs for a seating riser.


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see post 7 and 8 a better graphic
Yep. Same information.

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Nope, your attached graph is based on 2 ft and inches not 12
I only uploaded the right one. Tapatalk seems to have shortened it. So I replaced with a link. Trust me we are looking at same thing.

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What speakers would you guys suggest?
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budget? A favorite of pro designers is Triad.
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budget? A favorite of pro designers is Triad.
I was thinking around 10k for everything. What would you recommend in terms of equipment?
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you need to define "everything". For instance does that include seating riser construction. Do you have any equipment you can use, Can you install everything yourself?

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you need to define "everything". For instance does that include seating riser construction. Do you have any equipment you can use, Can you install everything yourself?

I have no equipment, so I’ll need the in wall speakers and subwoofer, receiver, projector, screen, wiring, surge protector. And I’m going to need somebody to install this as I’ve never done this sort of work. The riser I can probably hold off on for a little bit.
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That room is roughly the same size as mine. Feel free to look at my HT thread in my sig for layout. This post has finished pics.

I have 2 rows of seating, front row is 2 seats and rear is 3, could only fit 2 in front due to size of recliners and leaving room for the step.

I have a 92" electric drop-down, but will eventually put a 110" fixed frame in there. 120" is a little tighter than i want to be on sizing.

You'll want to toss everything in a excel sheet so you can total up your costs and figure out your budget. Fair warning it will add up real quick. I did everything myself, all construction and wiring and it still costs quite a bit, and i already had most of the equipment.

I'd also put a little more budget in the receiver and upgrade speakers later. Especially if you want Atmos you are going to need more than a single receiver. If you want 7.1.4, unless you are spending a ton, most receivers will power then 7 channel surround and 2 Atmos, but you'll need an addition amp to power the remaining 2 Atmos speakers (using the receiver's pre-out). There are a ton of Marantz receivers popping up on here in the for sale, that would be a good spot to look for a good deal.

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