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I have decided I needed to start this since the Demo is completed and building starts this next week. I will post a few pictures of what I have done so far so you can see where it has come from. This is the last room of our complete basement remodel and I got the go-ahead to upgrade it to an actual HT room instead of a family room with a subpar sound system.

I just got my speaker placement design back from the HTE design group on Facebook and then spent about 1.5 hours with Jeff(Aka BIG) today on Facetime to make sure I understood my designs and answered a few odds and ends questions. I am very green when it comes to HT and building in general so I will take all the input and guidance from the group I can.

My space is very small and I am not able to do hardly any soundproofing so you will see me do a little bit here and there but nothing major. Mainly Double 5/8 Drywall and then backer boxes for any holes in the drywall.

Sorry about the Hallway image it is a little crazy.

This is the JOLLEY TIME THEATHER unless I can come up with a new name for it. Mainly because we refer to watching movies and hanging out together as "Jolley Time"!
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The Family that DEMO's together stays together right!

Here is the entire family getting into it. My youngest daughter is a softball junky and was itching to swing at things so I had her grab her old bat and go to town on the walls.




Yes this is a Redneck exhaust set up out my Wood pellet stove chimney. It worked amazingly despite how it looks...



Almost done, it ended up taking about 30 min for us to completely demolish all the drywall out of this room. Great helpers! Sorry, the lighting down in the basement made these pictures very washed out and distorted for some reason.

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Looking good!

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My original plan for the theater was to make it look as close to the Cold Creek Theater build as possible. I am a huge fan of the columns and the color scheme. After some decisions today I am being told that adding the Columns would eat up too much of my already small space.

I had also wanted to do a bar for my back row and found out that it might not be the best due to reflection on the bar surface as well as the bar blocking the back speakers. So now I am not 100% sure about the overall design/look of the theater. What are your guy's thoughts on that? Would you do your original plan even if it made the room more crowded and messed with the rear sound stage?

NOW TO THE FUN PART...


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Marantz 7705
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3 Triad InWall Golds for LCR
4 Triad InWall Silver For sides and back surrounds
4 Triad Custome designed and built for Atmos

I will be doing 2 subs up front and haven't decided on which ones yet.

130 ish Screen Not sure on Brand or type yet

The projector I am looking at either a JVC NX5 or NX7 if budget permits.
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I don't necessarily have one but don't want to spend more than my house is worth. My High estimates put me around $35-$40k is kinda what I am looking at I think. When I asked my wife about the HT and if she had any thoughts on the design or anything she said..."You do you boo" and basically doesn't care what I do for it.
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So now I am not 100% sure about the overall design/look of the theater. What are your guy's thoughts on that? Would you do your original plan even if it made the room more crowded and messed with the rear sound stage?
Any sketches of your ideas (to scale ideally)? Dimensions of the room? Looks like your room has a lot of potential, but I'm having a hard time understanding what obstacles you're trying to overcome. I personally wouldn't want to sit at a bar top for the length of a movie, so comfortable permanent seating for all immediate family members with beanbag chairs for occasional guests is more appealing IMO and won't block the rear soundstage. If you like the look of columns but think they'll take up too much space you can do backer boxes in the walls with much more shallow columns that only stick out a few inches.


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Any sketches of your ideas (to scale ideally)? Dimensions of the room? Looks like your room has a lot of potential, but I'm having a hard time understanding what obstacles you're trying to overcome. I personally wouldn't want to sit at a bar top for the length of a movie, so comfortable permanent seating for all immediate family members with beanbag chairs for occasional guests is more appealing IMO and won't block the rear soundstage. If you like the look of columns but think they'll take up too much space you can do backer boxes in the walls with much more shallow columns that only stick out a few inches.


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I will see if I can put something together for a sketch. I am not very good with CAD type program but will see what I can come up with. I was actually thing about the shallow column idea since I have to do a backer box for the speakers anyways. I think I am coming to terms with not having the Dry bar for the back.


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Chicken Scratch Design

OK, I am far from experienced in anything for designing. I was able to find a free program to use but had some major limitations. Needless to say that this is not to scale as much as I tried.



My designer didn't want me to post my actual designs so I cropped out all the important information so you could see how the speakers would work. The Atmos is designed to bounce off the ceiling since my ceilings are so low. The fronts are mounted to the sides and then the surrounds are directly on top of the surround speakers firing up towards the ceiling.

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If you calculate where your nulls are you can determine where to put your seats (you might already have this figured out but it's tough to say without scale).
http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/room-modes-101/

What's the ceiling height?

Are you doing a riser for the back row?

Just a thought, but have you considered a 2x4 seating configuration? Seats in the back row would be closer to the side walls, but mom and dad get the good seats up front. Maybe even consider in ceiling Atmos speakers because having the second row being a little too close to the ceiling is acceptable as long as mom and dad have a better experience. You could do "big a$$ steps" and with only two seats up front you could more easily fit beanbag chairs on the steps for guests.

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If you calculate where your nulls are you can determine where to put your seats (you might already have this figured out but it's tough to say without scale).
http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/room-modes-101/

What's the ceiling height?

Are you doing a riser for the back row?

Just a thought, but have you considered a 2x4 seating configuration? Seats in the back row would be closer to the side walls, but mom and dad get the good seats up front. Maybe even consider in ceiling Atmos speakers because having the second row being a little too close to the ceiling is acceptable as long as mom and dad have a better experience. You could do "big a$$ steps" and with only two seats up front you could more easily fit beanbag chairs on the steps for guests.

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I have designs done that give me all my speaker placements, sound treatments and seating locations. Seating will be 2 rows of 3 chairs. The back row is on a riser that steps up to be 13” from the ground. I was then going to do a few bean bags in the front for any smaller kids that might need seats .


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Finally Getting rid of some Stone

I am wanted to utilize the space where my wood pellet stove was and wanted to get rid of the stone as well. I tried a 4lb sledge with a chisel to start but it was taking longer than I thought it should so I upgraded to an air chisel. My air compressor was not big enough to go full bore non-stop but enough to make it worth using. It ended up taking me a few days to get it all completely removed from the walls.




One side with the stone removed. Then there was a layer of plaster and chicken wire that was the hard part.


Looks like it is ready for framing now.



This is the vent from my wood pellet stove and I am trying to decide if using this little alcove where the fireplace used to be would be a good location for my projector housing? Thinking of having the heat from the projector being sucked out the exhaust pipe somehow. Basically having the front of the projector housing open and then air sucked out the back and up. Any suggestions or thoughts on that?

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Some thoughts, critter protection, back flow prevention, water intrusion during heavy storm, Make up air. Every cu ft exhausted has to come back into the house and the theater room from somewhere. You would need a fan.
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Some thoughts, critter protection, back flow prevention, water intrusion during heavy storm, Make up air. Every cu ft exhausted has to come back into the house and the theater room from somewhere. You would need a fan.
The top is protected from water with a topper like in this picture. I will say I am a novice at airflow, so if this is not a good option I can just cover it and do something that would be a more efficient and overall better design. Just want to make sure I am not passing up something that would be beneficial and have someone ask why the heck I didn't utilize that.
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if your heating bill is higher than your AC bill, it would be a shame to let that heat go to waste if you can send it somewhere else in the house.
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if your heating bill is higher than your AC bill, it would be a shame to let that heat go to waste if you can send it somewhere else in the house.
That is true, I will have to make sure I watch extra movies in the winter to help do my part to heat the house.
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The Atmos is designed to bounce off the ceiling since my ceilings are so low.
I wouldn't even bother with atmos if you're planning to use those topper bouncer things. Low ceilings are fine just put the speakers in ceiling such above you. A serious room shouldn't use those ceiling bouncer gimmicks. They're a joke. If that's really your only option, and I don't think it is, I'd just stick with 5.1 or 7.1. I mean if your ceilings are even 6 feet I'd put real atmos speakers in there.

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Mark, not a view widely held by professional theater designers. I've personally been in several demo rooms where the bounce sounded fine. In difficult rooms there are always compromises.
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Any ideas on how to make this into an AV room? Thinking 2-3 smaller racks? Not sure if having the front of the equipment poking through the wall into the Theater will be a way to go since I am going to try to keep it separated for heat and noise purposes. I had the thought of getting just the rack channel and doing customs racks.






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Any ideas on how to make this into an AV room? Thinking 2-3 smaller racks? Not sure if having the front of the equipment poking through the wall into the Theater will be a way to go since I am going to try to keep it separated for heat and noise purposes. I had the thought of getting just the rack channel and doing customs racks.










I had the exact situation and did like the below. I wouldn't call this a rack but it serves what I need it for.
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...Not sure if having the front of the equipment poking through the wall into the Theater will be a way to go since I am going to try to keep it separated for heat and noise purposes.

I had the thought of getting just the rack channel and doing customs racks.
I think you're on the right track. Keep it out of the theater, one of my biggest regrets for the reasons you list. Making custom racks would be my choice, just buy the rails and frame to fit.
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I think you're on the right track. Keep it out of the theater, one of my biggest regrets for the reasons you list. Making custom racks would be my choice, just buy the rails and frame to fit.
I agree I started with my equipment in the room and changed it after a year or so to out of the room. Less noise and distraction

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Some supplies arrived this morning and ready for the fun to begin.






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Went to grab a few more things for the start of framing tomorrow. When I got home I had a present from monoprice waiting for me.

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Nice layout. Will be following your build for sure. It looks like we may have the same designer or one that's using a very similar design as mine. The clippings you posted of the design plus the equipment you're using are near identical to mine, as my room has very similar dimensions. It will be interesting to hear how well the atmos setup sounds with the upward firing at the ceiling speakers, given the divide on opinions on the matter. I was surprised to hear a professional expert give contrary advice on the setup from what the norm opinion seems to be on the "bouncy house" atmos speakers.
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Looks like an interesting build. Bet that chicken wire was fun...

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Looks like an interesting build. Bet that chicken wire was fun...
That stuff was a pain in the butt! It was then bolted to the foundation in a few spots as well.
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Got a fair amount of framing done today. Had to spend a little more time than planned making sure my speaker locations where spot on. If you are wondering about the rear speaker area it is bigger because the Atmos speakers will be on top of the rear speakers.

Tomorrow we will be building the backer boxes that fit those holes to make sure I measured correct. We didn’t nail those section in just incase we had to adjust them.

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What did you do specifically to ensure the speakers were going to be placed exactly where as planned when you were doing the framing?
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What did you do specifically to ensure the speakers were going to be placed exactly where as planned when you were doing the framing?

My plans have detailed measurements of where everything should be. So I just measured from where the finished double drywall would be and marked of the locations that the edges of the backer box would be, then adjusted the framing as needed to make sure the backer box will fit. Sorry if this does not answer what you are looking for. The plans took a lot of the guess work out of it. I have had to enlist the help of “BIG” to help translate the design on a handful of things but overall it’s pretty straight forward.
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