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Any reason to believe there will be new 4K 3D TVs in the future? It is disappointing seeing all these nice, inexpensive 4K TVs with 3D nowhere to be found.
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Any reason to believe there will be new 4K 3D TVs in the future?
No, no reason. The current 3D TV cycle has begun in 2009 and ended in 2016. The consumer interest for 3D at home is low. Maybe when 3D at home will become painless - auto stereoscopy - then the 3D TVs will come back again. Right now the auto stereoscopy TVs are not impressive and cannot truly replace the active/passive 3D TVs that we know. We just have to give time for the auto stereoscopy tech to evolve enough.

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It is disappointing seeing all these nice, inexpensive 4K TVs with 3D nowhere to be found.
I feel your pain!
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Any reason to believe there will be new 4K 3D TVs in the future? It is disappointing seeing all these nice, inexpensive 4K TVs with 3D nowhere to be found.

Given the low cost, I'm surprised no manufacturer has added 3D capability to its flagship set. There's a loyal band of 3D enthusiasts just waiting to buy those up! If I could make it work in my space, I'd purchase a 3D projector, but preparing my space for a projector is going to take some doing. (That being said, if we don't see a 3D capable TV in the next couple of years, I may make the effort!)
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Given the low cost, I'm surprised no manufacturer has added 3D capability to its flagship set. There's a loyal band of 3D enthusiasts just waiting to buy those up! If I could make it work in my space, I'd purchase a 3D projector, but preparing my space for a projector is going to take some doing. (That being said, if we don't see a 3D capable TV in the next couple of years, I may make the effort!)
I completely agree. How much could it cost to add 3d (active) capability to a high end / flagship set. Maybe some manufactures have it in mind and want some more time to go by for a TV upgrade cycle...even if they added it for just a year. Hands down they would get a decent sales increase for that particular model.
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I completely agree. How much could it cost to add 3d (active) capability to a high end / flagship set. Maybe some manufactures have it in mind and want some more time to go by for a TV upgrade cycle...even if they added it for just a year. Hands down they would get a decent sales increase for that particular model.
They would certainly get an initial surge in purchases from us die-hards who want to future-proof our 3-D setups, but the A/V retail industry is not about providing what the customer wants. It's all about providing what they want to persuade you that you "need."

LG and the other manufacturers would prefer that we just forget that 3-D tech ever existed. That was the big push in 2010, but today's marketeers have no desire to preserve any sort of legacy. It's only important to be trendy, and that means new stuff, new stuff, new stuff whether we need it or not. This year it's 8K, and there aren't any human eyeballs that can see a discernible difference between that and the 4K sets we already own.
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It's not about ability and cost to do it, it's about aftermarket costs and warranty, and they had a warranty network setup with parts, etc. All that is disappearing, because warranties were usually 3 years at most. So fixing a 3D TV is specialty service and expensive. We have to remember that selling a product involves more than just throwing parts together and making it available on the street. That said, active shutter 3D takes a switching module and software, plus glasses, capable remote, instructions and viewers who are smart enough to use it. My neighbor and another friend both bought active-shutter 3D TVs and they never could get the glasses to work right or figure out how to invoke 3D TV on their TVs. I tried to help them, but they just couldn't get it. Neither of them watched more than a few minutes of 3D--it was a wasted investment for them and probably millions of other people that still sit in front of their active 3D sets. Passive sets were a little easier to use, but I have to say, my passive set requires some knowledge of 3D to set it up properly, and it's not just a turn it on, throw a 3D bluray in the player and watch 3D venue. Plus many of these were 4K sets having the passive 1080 parallax screen layer mounted off center creating a lot of ghosts and it was nightmare to fix by the manufacturers. Add more pixels and you have even a bigger nightmare.
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Passive sets were a little easier to use, but I have to say, my passive set requires some knowledge of 3D to set it up properly, and it's not just a turn it on, throw a 3D bluray in the player and watch 3D venue. Plus many of these were 4K sets having the passive 1080 parallax screen layer mounted off center creating a lot of ghosts and it was nightmare to fix by the manufacturers. Add more pixels and you have even a bigger nightmare.
I've never really had any issues with Passive 3D on the LG TV's I own - simply get a PS4/PS3, direct connect it and it auto-switches 3D on/off as required for 3D Blu-Ray. For other media simply use the remote to switch to the correct 3D format (SBS/OU/Converted), couldn't be really that much simpler. Active was more complicated with pairing glasses and checking batteries but was able to make it work without too much of an issue. Agree with the FPR film, once it was on there wasn't a lot you could do to get it fixed besides swapping the TV out, a lot of people didn't have the know-how or luxury to check the film alignment once it was out of the box, it really needed checking as it was applied at the factory.
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I've never really had any issues with Passive 3D on the LG TV's I own - simply get a PS4/PS3, direct connect it and it auto-switches 3D on/off as required for 3D Blu-Ray. For other media simply use the remote to switch to the correct 3D format (SBS/OU/Converted), couldn't be really that much simpler. Active was more complicated with pairing glasses and checking batteries but was able to make it work without too much of an issue. Agree with the FPR film, once it was on there wasn't a lot you could do to get it fixed besides swapping the TV out, a lot of people didn't have the know-how or luxury to check the film alignment once it was out of the box, it really needed checking as it was applied at the factory.
For us 3D geeks it's easy . I have a LG and yup, put in a 3D bluray and it seems to work okay, but once the image is on the screen, it can be problematic--reverse eye, depth wrong and other issues that the average person isn't going to have a clue about. As for format changes like SBS/OU/Converted--sure you and I know what those are and how they work, again jo shmo (my neighbor and another friend) don't have a clue what they mean. You should see their reaction when I talk to them about 1080p and 4K and what that means . In fact, they don't really understand what the double image on the screen is, or that it represents left/right eye images. I'm not saying that some people can't understand it, just that the general public hasn't a clue. If you think 3D controls are really easy, you should see my neighbor try to tweak just a normal 2D picture. He doesn't have a clue how brightness and contrast relate, color adjustments, etc. You'd think after all these years of having a TV, he would get it, but he doesn't, and he's got a pretty average IQ and understanding of mechanical things. Just for grins, I had my wife use the LG remote, go into the controls and try to adjust 3D, and even 2D. That remote went flying across the room ..
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For us 3D geeks it's easy . I have a LG and yup, put in a 3D bluray and it seems to work okay, but once the image is on the screen, it can be problematic--reverse eye, depth wrong and other issues that the average person isn't going to have a clue about. ... I'm not saying that some people can't understand it, just that the general public hasn't a clue.
My experience is usually the problem is finding the glasses (Active is harder now vs Passive) and then borrowing/buying/viewing some 3D content to demo what 3D is all about. For someone with a Passive 3D TV it's pretty easy to get glasses and content but admittedly the person has to be moderately invested in checking it out, the technical barriers to doing so is not as insurmountable as suggested. I've had more luck demoing 3D on my TV on the odd movie nights which raises interest in the format but generally most people are happy to not worry about 3D as they just don't find it all that compelling or just haven't seen a really good 3D film that lends itself to the 3D format (ie animation or other highly rated 3D films) as most directors have been pretty conservative in their 3D use overall.
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