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Stream TV Glasses-Free 3D at CES 2018

8K isn't useful for 2D TVs, but it's perfect for making Stream TV glasses-free 3D a consumer reality.

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I am extremely happy... Can't wait for this..
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I LOVE 3D, and this technology certainly sounds promising, but.... there are lots of unanswered questions i.e. how much depth (and perhaps more importantly) pop-out do you perceive? I have to say, it's fantastic that this is compatible with 3D blu-rays, just not sure if they'll be relevant by the time you can buy a TV like this.

The technology behind it also sounds like it will be very expensive to manufacture. Seriously, every worthwhile advance in display technology results in a product costing tens of thousands of dollars. The real breakthrough will be when something like this can be made affordable for the average home enthusiast.
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The Izon models (also Ultra D) which are 4K were priced around $6k and marketed towards commercial usage, a little high for my budget, wonder where the 8K version will be? I'm skeptical these will make it to market considering these were being shown a few years ago and mostly a lot of talk.

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Excited to see 3D coming back. I am a huge fan and have been sad to see it fall by the wayside. Hopefully this breathes new life into the format.
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fantastic to know there might be a decent replacement for my current 3D OLED if it breaks. BE nice if they could make the panels with OLED or later on use micro LED.
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If they included in all their panels is perfect.. It's like saying I'm including discovery channel in your cable package.. You don't have to view it but its there free.. Let the consumer choose if they want to use the technology or not.. As long as they included we are fine..
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I LOVE 3D, and this technology certainly sounds promising, but.... there are lots of unanswered questions i.e. how much depth (and perhaps more importantly) pop-out do you perceive? I have to say, it's fantastic that this is compatible with 3D blu-rays, just not sure if they'll be relevant by the time you can buy a TV like this.

The technology behind it also sounds like it will be very expensive to manufacture. Seriously, every worthwhile advance in display technology results in a product costing tens of thousands of dollars. The real breakthrough will be when something like this can be made affordable for the average home enthusiast.
In the demo, I perceived quite a bit of pop-out. For example, the beer bottle on the left (and the beer shooting out of it) in the photo definitely appeared to be in front of the screen plane. Plus, you can adjust how much 3D effect you want. It's very cool!
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Sounds promising, but unfortunately for us 3D enthusiasts these guys have been promising to bring this tech to living rooms for years - and it has been all talk.

I'll be happy when they finally have a consumer (not commercial) display actually available. Until then, not getting my hopes up again.

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Sounds promising, but unfortunately for us 3D enthusiasts these guys have been promising to bring this tech to living rooms for years - and it has been all talk.

I'll be happy when they finally have a consumer (not commercial) display actually available. Until then, not getting my hopes up again.

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I agree; I lost some interest after a while when no consumer TV with Ultra-D became available. However, with BOE involved, I have higher hopes that an actual product could make it to market sooner than later.
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Here is a press release from December 2013

Stream TV partners with BOE to introduce 55 inch 4K Ultra-D 2160p 3D Glasses FREE Display Solutions

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...235042161.html
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Here is a press release from December 2013

Stream TV partners with BOE to introduce 55 inch 4K Ultra-D 2160p 3D Glasses FREE Display Solutions

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...235042161.html
Hmm, well, that's a bit discouraging...I didn't realize they had made this announcement 5 years ago! I guess we'll see if they can make good on the plan to have actual products in the market later this year.
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on a technology standpoint, these are magic-level devices that i feel i must witness with my own eyes, then maybe, i can comprehend that gobbly-gook they call an explanation of how it works.

from a consumer standpoint, it's nothing more than a distraction and i honestly really really want lcd to be left where it belongs, as an entry level, cheap display. there's just so many more promising technologies(many we've been teased with at CES as well) for next level displays. if i had to choose between cool glasses free 3d on a narrow viewing angle, poor black level, screen uniformity nightmare and regular ol 2d on a zero black, perfect viewing angle, rollable oled or tiled micro LED display there's just no way that 3d can overcome those deficits. to me it's like deciding between installing a sweet stereo in your POS vehicle that barely starts and rattles down the road, or buying a brand new car with a stock sound system. some people will definitely appreciate the sound system over all else, but i just can't get passed the package it comes in.

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Hmm, well, that's a bit discouraging...I didn't realize they had made this announcement 5 years ago! I guess we'll see if they can make good on the plan to have actual products in the market later this year.
Yes, there was the Ultra D panel that Mark tested for awhile thread, then nothing (crickets). So far there are Rembrandt and Izon companies with glasses free displays but aimed at commercial market. They took the price list down but I remember the 65" display was $6k last I looked. Then there's the viewing angles which are even worse than passive screens. Really would be nice to be able to view these in person with Blu ray 3D reference material.

I'm confident this is the future of flat panel 3D viewing. Flat panels are great for casual viewing and this makes 3D even easier to view without having to hand out glasses, but you do have to get to a "spot" where it will work.

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There is no spot. For best effect, it's a 120 degree viewing angle to see 3d, but if you're all gathered around, no one will complain - the picture is viewable for 178 degrees (the effect diminishes as you go outside the 120 degree angle so you see a viewable 2d image).

Unlike the Nintendo 3ds, this leads to a very nice viewing volume where you can fit a reasonable sofa so everyone sitting has a great view.

There is an unviewable area up close - no watching it with your nose on the screen.

You can leave it running and have people mingle around - other than up close, everyone can look at it and enjoy what's being shown - at worse, it's 2d. As far as anyone cares, it's like a normal tv with no blurriness.

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The technology behind it also sounds like it will be very expensive to manufacture. Seriously, every worthwhile advance in display technology results in a product costing tens of thousands of dollars. The real breakthrough will be when something like this can be made affordable for the average home enthusiast.
I doubt a company that makes 100 million panels per year is going to put all it's 8K offerings in super expensive panels. It sounds like the panels for this are normal 8K panels. It's just the pixels are being used differently.
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Here is a press release from December 2013

Stream TV partners with BOE to introduce 55 inch 4K Ultra-D 2160p 3D Glasses FREE Display Solutions

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...235042161.html
I am thinking positive. Is it possible they made the announcement now because they can make them at an affordable price?
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I really enjoy 3D on my projector and hope this helps bring more 3D content and products in the near future.
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I am sure Avatar 2 will make this mainstream.
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The 3D on these screens will be nothing like 3D we get now, i bet the pop out at best will be just inches in front of the screen, not like 6/8 feet like some 3d oleds give now.
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I figured someone would eventually come out with a glasses free 3D. I was in the Mohegan Sun Casino here in Ct. and they have a row of five 3D slot machines which need no glasses and you can adjust the depth of the 3D effect. I used to play them a few months ago, but they took out the one I liked best. The effect was very bright and very pretty to watch with vibrant colors. I did notice after playing for about 4 hours I did have some eye strain though. Of course these did not have real life forms on them but very well done images.

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I need to win the lottery now, 120 inch 8K, 3D in my bright living room, BOE 10.5 LCD plant running this year,10,000 nits would be nice
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Here is a press release from December 2013

Stream TV partners with BOE to introduce 55 inch 4K Ultra-D 2160p 3D Glasses FREE Display Solutions

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...235042161.html
I asked Stream TV about this. Here is CEO Mathu Rajan's reply:

"The BOE announcement of December 2013 described the initial stages of cooperation between Stream TV and BOE for a 55-inch 4K television. At that time, Stream TV's real-time conversion algorithms had not yet been ported to hardware and would have required an external converter box, as described in the press release. It was decided that a fully integrated solution would be more appealing in the consumer market, so product release was held back while additional development work was completed and consumer-brand relationships were strengthened. Now, BOE and Stream TV have expanded their relationship to include Stream's glasses-free 3D technology for a wide variety of BOE panels with resolutions exceeding 4K for the consumer market."
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Here is an interview with a StreamTV rep. from CES February 2016.

"Production of TVs using Ultra-D technology is expected to start this year. Stream TV have partnered with Pegatron for manufacturing capacity and the first models will be a 65″ TV, a 27″ monitor and a 32″ monitor with smaller TV and tablet screens later."

When they ask what brand of TV will have Ultra-D he gets kind of vague and says they are working with a lot of major different brands and are at various stages of talks.

http://geeknewscentral.com/2016/02/1...asses-free-3d/

The Pegatron partnership goes back at least to 2012. When they still were using Seecube.

"Unihan (Pegatron)'s enormous manufacturing and R&D capabilities will allow us to accelerate the release of Ultra-D products to reach consumers in 2012," said Mathu Rajan, CEO of Stream TV Networks, Inc.

https://www.engadget.com/2012/05/15/...n-for-glasses/
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I eagerly await to see if "8K is pointless" once the system is in its prime. Just like when 4K was making it's debut, there were many naysayers. I'm quite happy with 4K's introduction to home video and like the introduction of HD, 4K will only get better from here. I say bring on 8K.

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Yeah..., at every major technology upgrade there are many, many negative voices that mainly say that:

"We don't need that «whatever», what we got is enough"...

Let's see:

Horses to Trains/Cars
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Vinyl to Tape
B/W to Colour
Stereo to Multichannel
SD 480 to HD 720
Tape to CD
HD to FullHD
CD/VCD to DVD-A/DVD-Video
Monoscopic to Stereoscopic Image
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SDR to HDR
2D Sound to 3D Sound
4K to 8K

and so on, and on, and on...

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The 3D on these screens will be nothing like 3D we get now, i bet the pop out at best will be just inches in front of the screen, not like 6/8 feet like some 3d oleds give now.
It's adjustable. The default setting is muted somewhat, because it's the setting you can watch it 24/7 without getting sick. You can crank it up and the pop out gets impressive, but damn, after a few hours you get queasy. It took me a while to figure that out as I had cranked it up for a demo in the morning and started feeling ill in the afternoon. (I was developing with the screens, so they were on while I worked on them for a few years).

You have to remember this screen has impressive 2d to 3d conversion, so everything it shows is in 3d. One has to be responsible to make sure passers-by don't get sick and make a mess on the floor.

It's also hard to describe, but I do remember when I went to see The Martian in theatres, it took me a while to figure out why they handed me glasses. When you've been watching glasses-free 3d, you get seriously spoiled.
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It's adjustable. The default setting is muted somewhat, because it's the setting you can watch it 24/7 without getting sick. You can crank it up and the pop out gets impressive, but damn, after a few hours you get queasy. It took me a while to figure that out as I had cranked it up for a demo in the morning and started feeling ill in the afternoon. (I was developing with the screens, so they were on while I worked on them for a few years).

You have to remember this screen has impressive 2d to 3d conversion, so everything it shows is in 3d. One has to be responsible to make sure passers-by don't get sick and make a mess on the floor.

It's also hard to describe, but I do remember when I went to see The Martian in theatres, it took me a while to figure out why they handed me glasses. When you've been watching glasses-free 3d, you get seriously spoiled.
Ah ok, sound better than i thought it may be, i know turtles tale on a lg 3d oled really pops out of the screen, would this screen be as good on a max setting then you think ? and is the sickness like VR sickness, i get it bad using vr myself.
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