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So I just purchased an estar rf emitter combo with glasses from amazon and hooked them up to my Optoma HD131 projector.  So I was able to get the estar emitter/glasses combo to work.  They are synched and I can watch 3d.  My problem is I also bought 2 different pairs of Xpand 3d RF glasses and the $20 Samsung RF glasses to see which I liked better.  I then plan to order multiple pairs of the glasses I like best.  The problem is I cannot get either of the 2 xpand glasses to sync, nor the samsungs.  I charged the xpands for 4 or 5 hours.  The samsungs have a fresh battery.  Any advice on how to use the emitter and how to use the glasses would be appreciated.

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So I just purchased an estar rf emitter combo with glasses from amazon and hooked them up to my Optoma HD131 projector.  So I was able to get the estar emitter/glasses combo to work.  They are synched and I can watch 3d.  My problem is I also bought 2 different pairs of Xpand 3d RF glasses and the $20 Samsung RF glasses to see which I liked better.  I then plan to order multiple pairs of the glasses I like best.  The problem is I cannot get either of the 2 xpand glasses to sync, nor the samsungs.  I charged the xpands for 4 or 5 hours.  The samsungs have a fresh battery.  Any advice on how to use the emitter and how to use the glasses would be appreciated.

Sorry, but the Samsungs and XPands will NEVER sync with the EStar emitter. Although they are all RF glasses, the Samsung and XPand glasses use Bluetooth, while the EStar (and VIP, Optoma, and Monster) use Zigbee. The two RF systems are not compatible.

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I learn something new about 3d every day. So which one do people prefer the zigbee or the Bluetooth? What are the pros and cons of each?
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I learn something new about 3d every day. So which one do people prefer the zigbee or the Bluetooth? What are the pros and cons of each?

I think that depends entirely on what a person's display came with as to which they prefer. We use the Zigbee RF emitter and glasses because they are sold by VIP, the manufacturer of the Theatre+ converter box that gives our older CRT 3D capability. They are adjustable for duty cycle (dwell time to you shadetree car mechanics) and delay and are manufacturer/display independent. I can take the transmitter and glasses to any display that has a 3D sync port and use them there, instead of worrying about whether I have the correct make (and sometimes year) of glasses to match the TV.

I also have Optoma and EStar RF Zigbee glasses. They all use the same emitter.

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So I decided to go the Xpand RF emitter route.  I purchased an XPand RF emitter/glasses combo off of amazon.  They came in today, I plugged them into the projector and the red X lights up when I have my 3d blu ray player on with a 3d blu ray in.  I then try to sync the glasses by turning them on.  I also try to turn them on and then press and hold the button for over a second but they will not sync.  I have 3 pairs of xpand RF glasses and 3 pairs of samsungs, but cannot get any of them to sync.  I feel I am usually pretty technically inclined but I cannot figure this out for the life of me.  If anyone has the xpand emitter/glasses, please help.

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So I decided to go the Xpand RF emitter route.  I purchased an XPand RF emitter/glasses combo off of amazon.  They came in today, I plugged them into the projector and the red X lights up when I have my 3d blu ray player on with a 3d blu ray in.  I then try to sync the glasses by turning them on.  I also try to turn them on and then press and hold the button for over a second but they will not sync.  I have 3 pairs of xpand RF glasses and 3 pairs of samsungs, but cannot get any of them to sync.  I feel I am usually pretty technically inclined but I cannot figure this out for the life of me.  If anyone has the xpand emitter/glasses, please help.
The Expand emitter and glasses will only work with the Optoma projector if the source is 720p/60. The Samsung glasses will work with the Expand emitter but also only with a 720p/60 source. Only the Optoma/Estar/VIP RF emitter/glasses will work with the Optoma HD131 or HD25 series projectors for 1080p/24 (Blu-ray). I wish the Expand glasses would work with the Optoma as I like them best. If you're going to use RF i suggest the Estar.
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This might be a dumb question, but can you force the blu ray player or projector to only do 720/60? Or am I just screwed with this particular setup.

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So to answer my own question, I went into the settings on the blu ray player and changed it to 720p and the Estar Glasses will still not sync with the emitter.  Could I have a defective emitter?  How else can I get a 720p source to test this on?  Would the glasses still not sync even if they didn't display right on 1080?

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So to answer my own question, I went into the settings on the blu ray player and changed it to 720p and the Estar Glasses will still not sync with the emitter.  Could I have a defective emitter?  How else can I get a 720p source to test this on?  Would the glasses still not sync even if they didn't display right on 1080?
If you can go to the 3Net Channel thru your Blu-ray player. They have a couple of 3D clips that are 720p/60 (one about Panda bears and a couple of others). Expand glasses and emitter will work for these clips. The Blu-ray player is going to output 1080p/24 for 3D Blu-rays regardless of what you set it for (at least my Sony does). Estar glasses won't work with the Expand emitter and Expand glasses won't work with the Estar (or Optoma) emitter.
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Yes I think I mistyped there. I'm trying xpand emitter with xpand glasses. So if a blu ray player can't do 720/60 then what is the purpose of even making these xpand glasses. I can't see to many people buying them for panda bear shows and such. I'll try to find that channel to see if I can at least get them to sync.
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Yes I think I mistyped there. I'm trying xpand emitter with xpand glasses. So if a blu ray player can't do 720/60 then what is the purpose of even making these xpand glasses. I can't see to many people buying them for panda bear shows and such. I'll try to find that channel to see if I can at least get them to sync.

My Panasonic 3D Blu-Ray players also have a 24p setting. Make sure you turn that OFF as well if your player has it, or it could be sending 720p24, not 720p60...

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Yes I think I mistyped there. I'm trying xpand emitter with xpand glasses. So if a blu ray player can't do 720/60 then what is the purpose of even making these xpand glasses. I can't see to many people buying them for panda bear shows and such. I'll try to find that channel to see if I can at least get them to sync.
The player will (should) output 720p/60 if that is the source material but Blu-ray 3D is output at 1080p/24 (at least all of the ones I have). The 24p on/off setting in the Sony player only affects standard DVD output and has no effect on Blu-ray. Don't know about other brands. As far as the Expand emitter and glasses they will work with several of the 3D TV's and projectors --- just not the newer Optoma. One of the biggest things that has slowed the adoption of home 3D from the start was no glasses standard (in my opinion). Now there is a standard of sorts but not all manufacturers adhere to it. Bottom line is if you want to use RF glasses with the Optoma that will work with all 3D content you have to use Optoma/Estar or VIP brand glasses with their emitter.
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I completely agree about there not being a standard. First I thought there were 3 methods to play 3d on my projector. Dlp, ir, or rf and after reading a few nights I chose rf. Then I spend some money and get estar emitter with xpand glasses and learn a lesson that there are 2 types of rf. Then I try to solve that and get an xpand emitter for my xpand glasses only to learn that it won't work with optoma projectors due to resolution. I feel like I got screwed but I guess it's only my fault for not asking questions before spending over 1200 on my setup. So I love the optoma projector so I really only see 2 options. Switch to the estar emitter and get estar glasses or find a way to trick the optoma projector into thinking a 720/60 image blu ray is being played. So is there a certain blu ray player that can do this? Will a ps3? Or is there some type of converter box I can use in conjunction with my current setup to get it to work. Not just counting the money aspect of it, I really like the feel of the xpands.
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Had problems with 3D glasses losing 3D synch, flickering with a 63C8000 plasma panel since new. None of the fixes in this forum actually worked.

Replaced the small disk battery and the 3D glasses work perfectly, synching 100%. 3D and simulated 3D programs look very good. The PANASONIC batteries are SOLD CHEAP IN EbAY. I bought a set of 20 pieces for $8.50 free shipping.

Looks like Samsung shipped their 3D glasses with aged batteries, so they work intermittently. As they get older, there was not enough energy to work the glasses, so they were dropping out of synch intermittently.
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So I decided to go the Xpand RF emitter route.  I purchased an XPand RF emitter/glasses combo off of amazon.  They came in today, I plugged them into the projector and the red X lights up when I have my 3d blu ray player on with a 3d blu ray in.  I then try to sync the glasses by turning them on.  I also try to turn them on and then press and hold the button for over a second but they will not sync.  I have 3 pairs of xpand RF glasses and 3 pairs of samsungs, but cannot get any of them to sync.  I feel I am usually pretty technically inclined but I cannot figure this out for the life of me.  If anyone has the xpand emitter/glasses, please help.</div>
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The Expand emitter and glasses will only work with the Optoma projector if the source is 720p/60. The Samsung glasses will work with the Expand emitter but also only with a 720p/60 source. Only the Optoma/Estar/VIP RF emitter/glasses will work with the Optoma HD131 or HD25 series projectors for 1080p/24 (Blu-ray). I wish the Expand glasses would work with the Optoma as I like them best. If you're going to use RF i suggest the Estar.
This is actually wrong. You are referring to XPAND RF emitter that was designed for Mitsubishi DLP TVs. As you know Mitsubishi discontinued their TVs, and this model is not relevant anymore, however you can still find it on Amazon, because Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating their stock.
XPAND retail product - part number AD025-RF-X1 (or X1-R1, or X1-R) however supports 144Hz, and will work perfectly fine with Optoma as well as any other projector that has VESA Sync input.

The easiest way to tell between XPAND product and Mitsubishi OEM product is by part number. Mitsubishi part number is EX105BT (includes glasses). XPAND part number is AD025-RF-X1 (also R, or R1 can be added, which refers to retail pack).
Also you can tell by price. Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating for a very low price (under $30). XPAND product will be between $150-$200
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<p>So I decided to go the Xpand RF emitter route.  I purchased an XPand RF emitter/glasses combo off of amazon.  They came in today, I plugged them into the projector and the red X lights up when I have my 3d blu ray player on with a 3d blu ray in.  I then try to sync the glasses by turning them on.  I also try to turn them on and then press and hold the button for over a second but they will not sync.  I have 3 pairs of xpand RF glasses and 3 pairs of samsungs, but cannot get any of them to sync.  I feel I am usually pretty technically inclined but I cannot figure this out for the life of me.  If anyone has the xpand emitter/glasses, please help.</p>
You are referring to XPAND RF emitter that was designed for Mitsubishi DLP TVs. As you know Mitsubishi discontinued their TVs, and this model is not relevant anymore, however you can still find it on Amazon, because Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating their stock.
XPAND retail product - part number AD025-RF-X1 (or X1-R1, or X1-R) however supports 144Hz, and will work perfectly fine with Optoma as well as any other projector that has VESA Sync input.

The easiest way to tell between XPAND product and Mitsubishi OEM product is by part number. Mitsubishi part number is EX105BT (includes glasses). XPAND part number is AD025-RF-X1 (also R, or R1 can be added, which refers to retail pack).
Also you can tell by price. Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating for a very low price (under $30). XPAND product will be between $150-$200
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There IS a standard for 3D glasses. Unfortunately, not all companies adhere to that standard.

Here is a link to the Xpand website. http://www.xpand.me/compatible-devices/

They have several models compatible with older formats, and also the 3D Standard format. They list about 19 projector companies that are compatible.

Optima projectors are not listed as compatible, even with "3D Standard" rated glasses. Sorry.

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This is actually wrong. You are referring to XPAND RF emitter that was designed for Mitsubishi DLP TVs. As you know Mitsubishi discontinued their TVs, and this model is not relevant anymore, however you can still find it on Amazon, because Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating their stock.
XPAND retail product - part number AD025-RF-X1 (or X1-R1, or X1-R) however supports 144Hz, and will work perfectly fine with Optoma as well as any other projector that has VESA Sync input.

The easiest way to tell between XPAND product and Mitsubishi OEM product is by part number. Mitsubishi part number is EX105BT (includes glasses). XPAND part number is AD025-RF-X1 (also R, or R1 can be added, which refers to retail pack).
Also you can tell by price. Mitsubishi dealers are liquidating for a very low price (under $30). XPAND product will be between $150-$200
My post was from a year ago.Xpand may have one that works now.
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My post was from a couple days ago. Optima does not follow the standard, and does not work with anything Xpand offers.

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XPAND think they're compatible

I've been emailing with XPAND and they state:
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Our emitter part number is AD025-RF-X1 (or R/R1) and it supports 144Hz. SO, it will work with Optoma or any other projector that has VESA 3D Sycn, or other 3D port.
So they should work with Optoma projectors (which I'll find out soon ).

What I want to know is are standard FHD3D glasses (bluetooth) compatible with XPAND's emitter? I understand that normal glasses won't support the Dual View gaming tech, but it'd be nice to tell people that they can get an Optoma projector with an XPAND emitter and keep their old glasses.

I've asked this to XPAND and will let you know the result
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Yes, standard FullHD3D Bluetooth glasses will work with AD025-RF-X1.
Great - so you can get an emitter from XPAND that is compatible with Optoma (HD25 etc) projectors. This will be able to communicate with 2012 or later glasses from Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc...

However, you will still need to be utterly careful about field rates if you want to use TV glasses with XPAND's emitter in an Optoma projector since most are for 120Hz (so presumably will understand the signal and do nothing with it ).

If you don't want headaches (like I have now that I've got 1 pair of BC glasses and emitter) then you can just get everything XPAND and know you've got the current PJ and future (TV etc) compatibility.
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Great - so you can get an emitter from XPAND that is compatible with Optoma (HD25 etc) projectors. This will be able to communicate with 2012 or later glasses from Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc...

However, you will still need to be utterly careful about field rates if you want to use TV glasses with XPAND's emitter in an Optoma projector since most are for 120Hz (so presumably will understand the signal and do nothing with it ).

If you don't want headaches (like I have now that I've got 1 pair of BC glasses and emitter) then you can just get everything XPAND and know you've got the current PJ and future (TV etc) compatibility.
Of course Xpand's glasses will work with Xpand's emitter. Read this entire thread. The problem is that the OP wants to use Optima glasses mixed with other brands, and Optima isn't compatible with the new standard.

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Guys, can you please help me. I am completely lost.

I have Optoma HD131ex and 3D glasses Samsung SSG-2200AR. But I am not able to pair it and I also don't know if it is possible.
Will this Samusung work with some external RF emitter (which will plug to optoma projector)? If yes can you please recommend me RF emitter?

And I have plan to buy some 3D glasses like OPTOMA ZF2100. Is it possible to pair this glasses with RF emitter or I have to use DLP link?

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Guys, can you please help me. I am completely lost.

I have Optoma HD131ex and 3D glasses Samsung SSG-2200AR. But I am not able to pair it and I also don't know if it is possible.
Will this Samusung work with some external RF emitter (which will plug to optoma projector)? If yes can you please recommend me RF emitter?

And I have plan to buy some 3D glasses like OPTOMA ZF2100. Is it possible to pair this glasses with RF emitter or I have to use DLP link?

Thank for info
If your HD131 didn't come with an emitter, you'll need to buy one in order to use the ZF2100 glasses. And you can't pair the Samsung glasses with the Optoma emitter. It uses an RF protocol known as Zigbee, while the Samsung RF glasses use Bluetooth. They aren't compatible. 3DTV is now marketing combo RF/IR and combo RF/DLPLink glasses (and emitters) they claim are compatible with the older Optoma/VIP/Monster/EStar glasses (which the ZF2100 is) and emitters. See Amazon.com for details.

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