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Oppo 203 and LG 3D OLED Component Combination 3D Tweak

Oppo 203 & LG 3D OLED 3D Parameter Calibration Adjustments for “Reference-Quality 3D” Experiences

The potential is there for consistent “reference-quality 3D” when both Oppo 203 and LG 3D OLED expand 3D parameter-plane-level values.
Native-3D will produce “natural proportional-depth” in both the negative and positive plane realms.

These adjustments will also make Disney•Pixar movies like ”UP” look @ or close to reference-3D levels, instead of conservative.

Before calibration, It is important to start the process while having a 3D-Blu-ray movie in play.
The display needs to automatically switch itself to “native-3D mode” which avoids “3D-conversion-mode” that can be set in-error, and is not relevant to the native-3D setup experience.

Oppo 203 and LG 3D OLED.

*Customizing the Oppo 203 for 3D output levels:

"The Oppo 203 needs to consistently send out all 3D-video MVC information as a complete unaltered signal.

Assuring this, use the following Oppo custom settings:

Settings -> Video Output setup -> 3D Settings

(Setup Menu> 3D Setting: 3D Output > (Forced) and 2D->3D Depth > (16).
(“Forced” influences native-3D output levels).

See picture of Oppo 203 3D setup menu below:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1514649819


3D TV size should be set to your display screen size.

Exit Oppo Setup.


*Customizing the LG 3D OLED in the “native-3D” mode setup menu:

(Calibration takes place in the setup’s native-3D mode, not in the ‘3D conversion mode’, and 3D controls only appear when "Manual" mode is accessed.
Changed values remain when switched to “Auto" mode.)

(LG OLED “3D mode”: “Manual” produces visual customization controls)

Manual” 3D parameter level settings:
3D Depth” should be set to (+20) and “3D Viewpoint” should be set to (-5)
Both settings provide precise plane-intersection alignment coordinates.
See 3D calibration controls in picture-link below:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1514650446


Auto-mode" should be set before exiting.
Keeping the display in "Manual" 3D mode will trigger floating windows to compensate for 3D parameter edge overlap; "Auto" is noticeably superior in processing the parameter increase.
See: 3D Mode Manual/Auto setting in picture-link below:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1514650524

(“Auto” visually controls parameter level increases, optimizing 3D layering, blending planes seamlessly and smoothing them out for consistent visual levels-in-space.)


After exiting the setup, get ready for a quality 3D experience!
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No one here trying this component combination 3D tweak yet?
Here is a sample of what two people from a couple of different forums think of this 3D Tweak:

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Yes Paul without a doubt. With both region free oppo203 and lg oled 77 and 65 g6ps, there is no doubt it is hard to find a 3d documentary, live or animated movie that is not literally perfect. I went through War/Planet Apes and The Great Wall looking for problems and they were both outstanding. It is so seamless and easy too. Just use the setup you gave me for the oppo and oleds and then just pop in blu ray.

Thank you too for letting everyone know about this combination. There is a good chance I would not have bought these systems if it weren't for you. I can't believe how great this system is. Everytime I watch a dream I've had for 45 years has been realized.

ps: And good snag on the region free oppo 203! Don't think you can go wrong with refurbished oppo.

pss if you get a chance maybe repeat the numbers you gave me so others with our system might try them on the oppo and oled. i call them little o and big o.

Merry Christmas to everyone and especially you Paul!!!
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Today is a good day. I just got back from a small road trip where I acquired a handful of excellent 3-D titles. None of that would really be relevant if I hadn’t bought this 203 a couple weeks ago and I hadn’t been blessed with this excellent, excellent insight as to how it should be paired with my 2016 65” Oled. When done right this is a remarkable combination that renders my previous player, an Xbox, two worth nothing more than a doorstop LOL. I’m a huge 3-D enthusiast and I take pride in the fact that I get it. Not everybody does and unfortunately it seems like the technology may be on its way out. Regardless of what the General public thinks I have broad enough horizons to understand and process what I’m looking at, and it’s impressive. Amongst other titles I picked up today was the IMAX Hubble telescope in 3-D. If you have even a remote interest in space this is a must own! The 3-D is reference quality to put it mildly and with these settings and this combination it is!
nothing short of breath taking. Leonardo DiCaprio as the narrator and flying through space equipped with nothing more than a 203 and my C6 produces 3-D that so good the stars fly by your head LOL. I just want to say thanks for opening my eyes to such a combination and I look forward to updating on new discoveries. Thanks Paul H
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Paul, you make adjustments on the TV in "Manual" 3D mode and reversed it back to "Auto".

Wouldn't this cancel all made adjustments and set some internal factory 3D parameters back on?
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Paul, you make adjustments on the TV in "Manual" 3D mode and reversed it back to "Auto".

Wouldn't this cancel all made adjustments and set some internal factory 3D parameters back on?
I find that adjustments made in "Manual Mode" noticeably affect AUTO's visual levels-in-space proportionally.
Leaving the display in "Manual" 3D mode can produce noticeable aspect-ratio fluctuation that "Auto" mode internally corrects.

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Paul, you make adjustments on the TV in "Manual" 3D mode and reversed it back to "Auto".

Wouldn't this cancel all made adjustments and set some internal factory 3D parameters back on?
I was thinking the same thing. So I tried pausing a 3D animated movie and switched it from Auto to Manual and there is definitely a difference, although it is not a huge difference. I prefer the manual setting based on that quick comparison but not sure I can tell just by that. This is after making the adjustments above. The movie definitely looks fantastic when I switch it to manual and let it run that way.

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I find that adjustments made in "Manual Mode" noticeably affect AUTO's visual levels-in-space proportionally.
Leaving the display in "Manual" 3D mode can produce noticeable aspect-ratio fluctuation that "Auto" mode internally corrects.
Glad you said that. I will put it back to Auto then. This may be the best combination setting then?

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Glad you said that. I will put it back to Auto then. This may be the best combination setting then?
Studying what the Oppo 203 and LG 3D OLED Component Combination 3D Tweak does is like what I experience when viewing classic Golden-Era 3D titles.
A good sense of correct proportional distance from 3D plane-level (separation) distances, similar to what I see in real-life from left and right eye angles.

In the same sense of correct proportional distance, I now can view todays CGI and live-action Blu-ray 3D titles, both native and conversions having similar observation.

Interesting fact is that there are a few titles that do not show proportional changes. Maybe from being authored from smaller VR or lens interaxial distances or burned-in conservative productions.

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I have the OPPO 205. Will this tweak work with the 205? Thanks.

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I have the OPPO 205. Will this tweak work with the 205? Thanks.
If the 203 and 205 have the same video processing chip; yes.
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If the 203 and 205 have the same video processing chip; yes.
thanks paul.the3d works excellent with your setting suggestions
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If the 203 and 205 have the same video processing chip; yes.

Thanks. I am going to try your settings on my 205 tonight.

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Would like to know how the 203 settings translate to the Panasonic UB900

OLED is a game changer.
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And yes, you do need to go back to Auto to have the settings work correctly, as Paul pointed out. I too thought that this made no sense as the auto was cancelling out the manual changes I have made but on my lg you can definitely see a clearer and more "natural" 3d when you change the manual numbers as Paul instructs and then go to auto. Again, thank you Paul.

I NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE THIS IF NOT FOR YOU.

How did you figure out to do this, if I may ask?
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I tried the new settings tonight on my LG 65C6 and Oppo 205 and followed everything as instructed but I honestly can't tell a difference. My 3D looked really good before the settings tweak so maybe I just did not need an adjustment. Thanks.

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Tried your settings on my LG OLED and they are bad, terrible in fact.
If you look at at black text on a white background, this 3D setting induces 3d crosstalk/ghosting.

OLED is a game changer.
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I tried the new settings tonight on my LG 65C6 and Oppo 205 and followed everything as instructed but I honestly can't tell a difference. My 3D looked really good before the settings tweak so maybe I just did not need an adjustment. Thanks.
I agree with this as well, my 3D looks amazing on my TV. Mind you I have the Panny UB900 not the OPPO

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I tried the new settings tonight on my LG 65C6 and Oppo 205 and followed everything as instructed but I honestly can't tell a difference. My 3D looked really good before the settings tweak so maybe I just did not need an adjustment. Thanks.
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Tried your settings on my LG OLED and they are bad, terrible in fact.
If you look at at black text on a white background, this 3D setting induces 3d crosstalk/ghosting.
What Blu-ray 3D title were you playing? Also make and model of the component's tweaked.
This will help in checking for the same artifacts.
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The 3D tweak involves both components that have FIVE setting adjustments.
To set the system back to default, you will have to set:

LG 3D OLED:
1) '3D Depth' to +10
2) '3D Viewpoint' to 0,
3) '3D Mode' to Manual

Oppo:
4) '3D Output' to AUTO
5) '2D->3D Depth' to 8.

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What Blu-ray 3D title were you playing? Also make and model of the component's tweaked.
This will help in checking for the same artifacts.
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The 3D tweak involves both components that have FIVE setting adjustments.
To set the system back to default, you will have to set:

LG 3D OLED:
1) '3D Depth' to +10
2) '3D Viewpoint' to 0,
3) '3D Mode' to Manual

Oppo:
4) '3D Output' to AUTO
5) '2D->3D Depth' to 8.
I played Passengers and the Pixar movie Up. In my post I mentioned my components as being the LG65C6 oled and the player is the OPPO 205. Thanks.
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Tried your settings on my LG OLED and they are bad, terrible in fact.
If you look at at black text on a white background, this 3D setting induces 3d crosstalk/ghosting.
Make sure when you change settings that the LG is not in 3D conversion mode. Was a Blu-ray 3D movie playing and were you able to see the 3D feature while you entered the LG setup menu?

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I played Passengers and the Pixar movie Up. In my post I mentioned my components as being the LG65C6 oled and the player is the OPPO 205. Thanks.
Thanks for listing your components.
It's very helpful for understanding, and trying to make sense of the digital 3D phenomena.
Your components must already be optimized when not being able to see a 3D differences in proportional space.
Native-3D parameters fully optimized would already be at capacity. Setting increases would be ineffective.

Just got through playing "Passengers" 3D with the tweaks in effect on my system.. The 3D difference is astounding to me compared to my memory from my last view. Haven't played it since the changes. The space ship coming toward you in the beginning scene is almost transparent in the distance, because I now notice the space behind it, seeing it through the spiral openings of the transport vessel with the collision shield fully active. The hallways, rooms and auditoriums in the ship are now impressively spacious, and outside, the visual quality of space being infinite is absolutely priceless.

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I agree with this as well, my 3D looks amazing on my TV. Mind you I have the Panny UB900 not the OPPO
I don't know if the Panny UB900 settings are able to be isolated to change only native-3D parameters without 3D conversion influence.

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How did you figure out to do this, if I may ask?
Used Spears & Munsil Stereoscopic Positioning and Alignment patterns to calibrate "3D Depth" and "3D Viewpoint" pixel mapping values.
Key left and right pixel coordinates exactly intersect where planes overlap.
This precise alignment of the pixel coordinates makes it easier on the eyes for clear visual focus.

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What Blu-ray 3D title were you playing? Also make and model of the component's tweaked.
This will help in checking for the same artifacts.
Thanks

The 3D tweak involves both components that have FIVE setting adjustments.
To set the system back to default, you will have to set:

LG 3D OLED:
1) '3D Depth' to +10
2) '3D Viewpoint' to 0,
3) '3D Mode' to Manual

Oppo:
4) '3D Output' to AUTO
5) '2D->3D Depth' to 8.
Yup my UB900 is set to Auto for 3D and Depth to 8.

These don't work on the TV, my manual setting was 10 and 0, Dapth and Viewpoint respectively.
And when you set manual to 20 and -5 and set it back to Auto, Auto defaults to the 10 and 0 values.
I have tested it in several scenes and a few Blu-Rays, X-Men Apocalypse and Days of Future Past, Kong Skull island.

I think most of you are seeing a placebo effect.
In fact the only setting that you set that will be passed is the Depth setting of the Blu-Ray player, as this is outside of the TV setting.
Also to note this is on the latest and greatest FW from LG.

OLED is a game changer.
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Tried your settings on my LG OLED and they are bad, terrible in fact.
If you look at at black text on a white background, this 3D setting induces 3d crosstalk/ghosting.
Can you please name the title of the Blu-ray 3D producing black text ghosting on a white background with the above settings?
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Can you please name the title of the Blu-ray 3D producing black text ghosting on a white background with the above settings?
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Dude it doesn't matter.
The 20 /-5 setting is useless, once you flip it back to Auto it defaults to around 10/0.
What I'm saying is there is no discernible difference between having the TV set to Auto or Manual at the 10/0 setting.
Because the Auto setting reverts/overwrites all your manual settings, and Auto settings are set to around 10/0.

The only real difference in 3D viewing that you can make is changing depth(oppo) or popout(UB-900) on the Player.
This setting will alter the convergence distance viewed on the Television.

And if your OLED TV has some left over settings from Manual when you switch to Auto that means your TV is not functioning right.
Because during all my testing that was not the case.
I suggest a current firmware.

Basically your instructions should go like so,
- set your TV's 3D setting to AUTO.
- change OPPO depth to 8.

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Dude it doesn't matter.
The 20 /-5 setting is useless, once you flip it back to Auto it defaults to around 10/0.
What I'm saying is there is no discernible difference between having the TV set to Auto or Manual at the 10/0 setting.
Because the Auto setting reverts/overwrites all your manual settings, and Auto settings are set to around 10/0.

The only real difference in 3D viewing that you can make is changing depth(oppo) or popout(UB-900) on the Player.
This setting will alter the convergence distance viewed on the Television.

And if your OLED TV has some left over settings from Manual when you switch to Auto that means your TV is not functioning right.
Because during all my testing that was not the case.
I suggest a current firmware.

Basically your instructions should go like so,
- set your TV's 3D setting to AUTO.
- change OPPO depth to 8.
Auto does not overwrite my manual settings on either of my LG E6P or my LG EG9600. Changing the Manual settings to default also changes Auto visually to default depth. There is an Oppo 203 connected to each set and I do not have a UB-900 to verify your experience.

I would still like to know the name of the title of the Blu-ray 3D producing the black text ghosting on the a white background with the custom settings?
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Auto does not overwrite my manual settings on either of my LG E6P or my LG EG9600.
What firmware is you E6P on because on my E6P any Manual setting is overwritten when I set it to Auto.

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So I just spoke to LG.
And they told me that Manual sets the depth and convergence point manually.
Automatic sets these settings based on the signal.

So automatic does not take any input whatsoever from the Manual setting.

As was evident during my testing.

OLED is a game changer.

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What firmware is you E6P on because on my E6P any Manual setting is overwritten when I set it to Auto.
My E6P has Software Version: 05.30.02 and is set for automatic updates.

Further observation of both my 3D OLED's "Auto" & "Manual" modes, using the Oppo 203's control group variable @ default settings. When accessing LG's "Manual" mode for 3D customization, I still get proportional optimization parameter influence, after setting it to AUTO, but it does not have the same plane placement as in Manual mode, when viewed on both my LG 3D OLED's as evidenced by aspect ratio stability. If this is a placebo effect it affects everyone who views my two sets.
I'm finding this similar, if not the exact case with the Oppo 203 for 3D mode setup. When "3D Output" is set to "Forced" (2D->3D Depth is a conversion feature), it influences native 3D OUTPUT, not conversion, expanding the 2D->3D Depth to 16. Proportionally affecting visual levels-in-space and with no aspect ratio fluctuations. Another placebo?
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Like I said before the only device that is affecting the 3D effect on your TV is the player.
The TV is not making any alterations to the 3D effect unless you put it into Manual mode.
There might slight variations of 3D effect from scene to scene in Auto mode, but that's pure speculation on my part.
But outside of that the TV does not carry any settings over from Manual to Automatic.

Have you considered that perhaps your player is doing some sort of processing on the back end for 3D.
Because I do not observe this at all on my set with the UB-900.
And I have confirmed all this on the phone with LG.

OLED is a game changer.
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Have you considered that perhaps your player is doing some sort of processing on the back end for 3D.
Because I do not observe this at all on my set with the UB-900.
And I have confirmed all this on the phone with LG.
After connecting an Oppo 203 to a Sony HMZT-1 headset where I wanted to test the native 3D on two separate L & R screens, without the use of polarization, and with that experience I have to agree you are making a good judgement call.
In the Oppo 203's Setup Menu for 3D Settings, when the 3D Output is set to Forced and 2D->3D Depth is set to (16) where “Forced” influences native-3D output levels, I get the same reference quality depth and pop-out 3D that I get in 3D on the LG.

So the Oppo can universally affect 3D component setups, where convergence or depth settings can be left at default.
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