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Brian Hampton 08-19-2018 03:25 AM

3D from AppleTV
 
Hi,

I have recently changed my system so that now I use an AppleTV4K for most everything. The ATV doesn't do anything 3D. I thought I could make my 3D Blu Rays into 4k full res SBS files. And I did create a full SBS file and played it back using the ATV4K.

But, My projector wouldn't let me use any of the 3D settings. I suppose maybe it blocks them out for 4K. I could try a half SBS file and see if it looks ok...

I really expected to just tell the PJ it was getting a SBS file and have it work....

Oh, I guess one thing I could try is have the ATV output 1080p and Then play back the file and see if I can choose 3D... it may negate the good of having the full SBS file but it might work. Edit- That did work I guess my projector only does 3D in 1080p.



-Brian

fingersdlp 08-19-2018 07:04 AM

Curious about your last edit. What was the actual format of the file you got to work in 3D when outputing in 1080p from ATV. Was it the full frame SBS or half SBS. Did the ATV scale it back to 1080p if full frame so you end up getting half the res?

Also, the MRMC app for ATV has menu choices for 3D Playback but not sure what formats or if it works at all. FYI

Thanks

tomtastic 08-19-2018 10:52 AM

Yeah, that won't work. 4K projectors won't accept 3D in 4K resolution at this time. If you set Apple TV to 1080p that downscales it back to half resolution so sort of pointless keeping in full resolution file. You could use top/bottom full 1920x2160 and that will work on a 4K LG passive screen but it wouldn't work on other displays.

Best bet is to keep in frame packing format, either as full iso and use PDVD or a Kdlinks type device or use MKV MVC and again a media player that will handle the file.

Brian Hampton 08-21-2018 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fingersdlp (Post 56664038)
Curious about your last edit. What was the actual format of the file you got to work in 3D when outputing in 1080p from ATV. Was it the full frame SBS or half SBS. Did the ATV scale it back to 1080p if full frame so you end up getting half the res?

Also, the MRMC app for ATV has menu choices for 3D Playback but not sure what formats or if it works at all. FYI

Thanks

Yes. When I set my ATV for 1080p it played back and "worked" … but that losing half the resolution. A Half SBS file would work and I suppose it's the worst thing in the world … but realizing my 4K PJ doesn't let me use 3D in 4K means I'm better off using the frame packed version one way or another.

I could use some software … Off hand I own Stereoscopic player and JRiver and they can both play back frame packed 3D.

But,.. I have 3 hardware 3D BD players at hand (PS4, PS3, Sony BD 57x) so I guess it's better to just keep it simple and use it the way it was designed. :eek:

Nick Laslett 09-24-2018 11:28 AM

For what it’s worth, I did get a 4K SBS from my AppleTV 4K using MrMC to my Oppo 203 “HDMI In” via HDFury to trick the AppleTV to stay in 4K mode, feeding my Sony VPL-HW45 1080p projector. The Oppo converts the 3840x1080 SBS file to 3D MVC and the projector displays it the same as if it was from a 3D disc.

I gave up on this convoluted method after I discovered M2TS 3D MVC files will stream to the Oppo 203 over the Network. The AppleTV has many strengths but 3D is a struggle.

jaychatbonneau 04-02-2019 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 56663608)
Hi,

I have recently changed my system so that now I use an AppleTV4K for most everything. The ATV doesn't do anything 3D. I thought I could make my 3D Blu Rays into 4k full res SBS files. And I did create a full SBS file and played it back using the ATV4K.

But, My projector wouldn't let me use any of the 3D settings. I suppose maybe it blocks them out for 4K. I could try a half SBS file and see if it looks ok...

I really expected to just tell the PJ it was getting a SBS file and have it work....

Oh, I guess one thing I could try is have the ATV output 1080p and Then play back the file and see if I can choose 3D... it may negate the good of having the full SBS file but it might work. Edit- That did work I guess my projector only does 3D in 1080p.



-Brian

Hi, Brian!

What projector are you using? How did you convert a Blu-Ray to full SBS?

Brian Hampton 04-03-2019 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jaychatbonneau (Post 57846750)
Hi, Brian!

What projector are you using? How did you convert a Blu-Ray to full SBS?

I use a Sony VW285ES

For the 3D BD conversion I used MakeMKV (be sure to make a 3D MKV) to make an MKV then used the free software BD3D2MK3D.

BD3D2MK3D can make full or half sbs 3dMKVs.

This video actually walks you though the whole thing but he makes a Half SBS file and it's possible to make Full SBS by changing the settings of BD3D2MK3D.

-Brian

jaychatbonneau 04-09-2019 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Laslett (Post 56858286)
For what it’s worth, I did get a 4K SBS from my AppleTV 4K using MrMC to my Oppo 203 “HDMI In” via HDFury to trick the AppleTV to stay in 4K mode, feeding my Sony VPL-HW45 1080p projector. The Oppo converts the 3840x1080 SBS file to 3D MVC and the projector displays it the same as if it was from a 3D disc.

I gave up on this convoluted method after I discovered M2TS 3D MVC files will stream to the Oppo 203 over the Network. The AppleTV has many strengths but 3D is a struggle.

Will the Oppo 203 play M2TS 3D MVC from connected storage such as a USB drive or portable HD?

Thank you so much!

jaychatbonneau 04-09-2019 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 57847070)
I use a Sony VW285ES

For the 3D BD conversion I used MakeMKV (be sure to make a 3D MKV) to make an MKV then used the free software BD3D2MK3D.

BD3D2MK3D can make full or half sbs 3dMKVs.

This video actually walks you though the whole thing but he makes a Half SBS file and it's possible to make Full SBS by changing the settings of BD3D2MK3D.

-Brian

Just to be clear, you got your Sony to play full SBS 3D files? If so that is wonderful.

Brian Hampton 04-10-2019 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jaychatbonneau (Post 57880394)
Just to be clear, you got your Sony to play full SBS 3D files? If so that is wonderful.

I didn't tho... I tried. I was able to create Full SBS files and able to play Full SBS files from my ATV4K,.... However my projector doesn't support 3D in 4K so I had to make half SBS files (keeping the resolution 1080p so that I could access my projectors 3D function.

The Sony VW285ES locks out 3D for 4K.

-Brian

jaychatbonneau 04-10-2019 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 57880600)
I didn't tho... I tried. I was able to create Full SBS files and able to play Full SBS files from my ATV4K,.... However my projector doesn't support 3D in 4K so I had to make half SBS files (keeping the resolution 1080p so that I could access my projectors 3D function.

The Sony VW285ES locks out 3D for 4K.

-Brian

What do you mean by 4K? Full SBS is nothing more than two 1920 x 1080 frames stitched together. 4K 3D would be much larger.

jaychatbonneau 04-10-2019 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Hampton (Post 57880600)
I didn't tho... I tried. I was able to create Full SBS files and able to play Full SBS files from my ATV4K,.... However my projector doesn't support 3D in 4K so I had to make half SBS files (keeping the resolution 1080p so that I could access my projectors 3D function.

The Sony VW285ES locks out 3D for 4K.

-Brian

Also, frame packed 3D frames have two regular 1080p frames, one on top of the other, measuring 1920 x 2205. There is nothing 4K about that either.

Brian Hampton 04-10-2019 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jaychatbonneau (Post 57880628)
Also, frame packed 3D frames have two regular 1080p frames, one on top of the other, measuring 1920 x 2205. There is nothing 4K about that either.

ok... we have arrived at some confusion here. Let me try to sort this out.

First of all, Frame packed 3D and SBS are different so we understand that right?

My projector can play back frame packed 3D no problem. This is how a 3DBD player would output it.

Now... we were talking about Full SBS which is 2 1080p frames side by side. This does not remain 1920x1080p ... It's often put in a 4K frame where 2 1080p stiched together frames fit. When you make a Full SBS file the resulting resolution is 3820x1080p ... this fits inside the 3840x2160 4K frame.

Any player that can play a 4K video can play a Full SBS 3D video. A player doesn't need to know it's a SBS video ... But a display needs to know it's SBS to process it and when my display gets a 4K file it locks out the 3D abilities.

When I send my projector a half SBS 3D file it has no trigger for 3D .. it's just 2 side by side images. I tell my projector to enable SBS 3D and it works. When I send my projector Full SBS it see that as 4K and locks the ability to tell it it's SBS 3D.


-Brian

Hubert Unger 03-26-2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Laslett (Post 56858286)
For what it’s worth, I did get a 4K SBS from my AppleTV 4K using MrMC to my Oppo 203 “HDMI In” via HDFury to trick the AppleTV to stay in 4K mode, feeding my Sony VPL-HW45 1080p projector. The Oppo converts the 3840x1080 SBS file to 3D MVC and the projector displays it the same as if it was from a 3D disc.

I gave up on this convoluted method after I discovered M2TS 3D MVC files will stream to the Oppo 203 over the Network. The AppleTV has many strengths but 3D is a struggle.

Hey @Nick Laslett

Just to clarify:
You have/had your ATV connected to the HDMI input on your Oppo player and the Oppo output to the HW45, right?
That way you're able to play 3D-MVC-m2ts-files from within Plex/Infuse/MrMc and have the HW45 automatically switch to 3D MVC mode?

Nick Laslett 03-26-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hubert Unger (Post 59412944)
Hey @Nick Laslett

Just to clarify:
You have/had your ATV connected to the HDMI input on your Oppo player and the Oppo output to the HW45, right?
That way you're able to play 3D-MVC-m2ts-files from within Plex/Infuse/MrMc and have the HW45 automatically switch to 3D MVC mode?

Hi Hubert,

I’m sorry but the answer is no to 3D-MVC-m2ts file from AppleTV.

What I did was create a 4K SBS 3D file using AVISynth, so this was a complete re-encode, using the Intel decoder to extract both images and place them side by side in one 4K image. The AppleTV would play the file the same as any 4K .X264 encode, it did not know it was in 3D. There is a flag in the MP4 container that the Oppo 203 could detect, which told the Oppo that this was a 3D SBS file. The Oppo would then convert this to MVC and the HW45 would display it the same as a 3D bluray. The Oppo wouldn’t always work, it would often freeze.

If you have an Oppo 203, it can be fed a 3D MVC m2ts file that has been remuxed in TSmuxer and play the 3D correctly. These files work with the Plex DNLA server feeding the Oppo.


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