Originally Posted by 3d4ever
First, thanks very much for responding.
I know that the Mede8er will process files as they are output from a computer in 3d in the same quality 3d HD image that using HDMI from camera to TV will produce. So not worried about that.
Not going to render to SBS. I see a difference, and want to stay with what I see going out of the camera.
What I want is the same image quality after editing that the camera outputs to a TV. If that means I need to get a Z10000, ok. Though I am not sure I understand why I can't edit files from a TD10 then get the same exact quality as when I just output to TV.
Something to do with fps?
So the Cnet specs of the HD10 states:
AVCHD - 1920 x 1080 - 28Mbps - 3D HD (no fps listed)
where as the Cnet specs of the Z10000 is:
MVC - 1920 x 1080 - 50 fps - 28Mbps - 3D HD
MVC - 1920 x 1080 - 25 fps - 28Mbps - 3D HD
MVC - 1920 x 1080 - 24 fps - 28Mbps - 3D HD
and the TD20 (which I also picked up) is (according to Cnet):
MVC - 1920 x 1080 x 2 - 60 fps - 28Mbps - 3D HD
So if we were to compare the TD20 with the Z10000 isn't 60fps better than 50fps? I really don't know, so not asking a rhetorical question.
Then I see 1080i and 1080p. It's all a bit confusing!
I do know that I burned a disc straight from the camera through Play Memories Home from Sony and ended up with 720 3d, it most definitely did not have the same quality as just watching the file off the camera to the TV.
For editing: I am leaning towards Vegas, just want to make sure I don't have the same results as PMH and have the ability to do editing, of course. Cost not the biggest factor, but do I need Pro, Suite, Studio or --- there is very little information about 3d and even less on rendering 3d blu rays.
You see, I have read enough to ask a lot of questions but not sure of all the numbers and choices! If having a Z10000 is going to get me a real nice HD3d output from a disc, then great. If I don't need to get yet another camera, greater still.
Thanks in advance for any help.
From TD10, understand this camera only records in interlaced format so for Blu ray 3D you're only options are 1080p 24 or 720p60 (or 50 but not relevant here). Generally, most around here will use 720p 60 from 1080i source as the frame rate is equal and no 3:2 pull down is used.
Now creating digital files you could render to 1080p30 (deinterlaced) but it's tricky what format to use for render. Power Director doesn't output top/bottom formats FYI. Side by side or t/b is generally easier when dealing with digital files. So you could use top/bottom full
format and keep resolution 1080p30 but it depends on your display if top/bottom will work.
MVC file creation in Vegas Pro is also limited to 1080p24/720p60 so that's not going to work if you want 1080 resolution. I believe in PD you could create 1080p30 MVC but MVC files from there are not generally functional in anything other than PowerDVD.
Yes, from the camera via HDMI to TV you can output full frame packing on the Sony TD10, on the Panasonic Z10k you can only output SBS. Weird that the consumer version offered higher spec here at least in-camera.
I've shot footage on all of these cameras, when it comes to full resolution per eye or half resolution per eye, I can tell you 9 times out of 10 you would not notice the difference. I also used to think that both Vegas Pro and Power Director's lower MVC bitrate encoding would be an issue. As I discovered later on, it is not.
What matters most is your source encoding, as with any camera you want the best data encoding. The TD10 is a consumer camera and it's not as good as the Z10k and I also have the bigger Panasonic 3DA1 and that one is even better than the Z10k as far as bit rate.
So the TD10 and the Z10k both encode 3D in a single MVC file that's roughly 28mbps for both left/right views as well as audio, the files are AVCHD. Not the best codec even by 2010 standards but it's usable. The 3DA1 also uses AVCHD at least internally but it doesn't use MVC rather dual compressed streams so there's less compression for your source. GoPro 3D is also like this using a much higher bitrate and independent recording.
Really, it depends on what source you want to output to. If you're goal is Blu ray 3D and highest quality you'd want to shoot in 24p, that means the TD10 wouldn't cut it. But also note with 24p you'll have to slow down on panning and keep the camera more stabilized because of 24p judder.
Generally I only shoot in 30p/60i for home video stuff, if I know it's not for projects. Now I have been shooting in 3840x2160 30p but that's true progressive not interlaced and since there isn't a Blu ray 3D spec that supports 4K3D, it's not an issue for me. I typically just use digital format and top/bottom full for 4K3D half resolution. Now I could produce a UHD 3D disc. I could just output to top/bottom half file and change it to 60p then it's in a UHD spec format. But I've yet to pick up a UHD player. But the DVDfab software allows you to burn UHD compliant discs onto BD25/50 discs I think with same burner pretty sure. But it uses h. 265 encoding so would need a recent processor to handle it.