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post #91 of 2348 Old 04-27-2017, 11:44 AM
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My current Sony sounds bars have always done a great job with surround sound. I still find it amazing that a 2.1 sound bar can make is sound like you hear things over eight feet away from where the sound bar is. It makes it sound like I hear things from behind me and far to the right and left sides. Doing a great job simulating a 7.1 system. So with the addition of the audio coming from the ceiling it should make a an even bigger difference.

And then the St5000 has five more forward firing speakers than my 2.1 speaker bars have. So I would expect that to make a big difference too.
It should. I hope it works with my room too which has some openings in the living room that might be questionable for sound bouncing off certain points.


What really gets me excited about this bar is 4K HDR video passthrough as opposed to just 4K. Given the current TV specs, it's essential for the Atmos devices to plug into the bar rather than the TV.
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Just saw this is available for pre-order on Amazon UK - June 2nd release date.

Pre-ordered!
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C'mon DTS!! No whammies!


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Also BH Photo;
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._soundbar.html
Lists DTS/DTS HD
Expected availability: Jun 7, 2017
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Well that's good news....Unless B&H is incorrect or just being hopeful. Everything to date hasn't confirmed DTS.


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Also BH Photo;
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._soundbar.html
Lists DTS/DTS HD
Expected availability: Jun 7, 2017
But B&H also shows "96 kbps / 24-bit PCM". Which is what?
It should be 96khz. And even that is probably wrong since it should be able to handle 192khz 24bit PCM like their speakers bars have handled for many, many years.
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On the whole DTS stuff, would a Blu-ray/UHD player just not decode it for you and pass as PCM? Or is that losing quality/info?
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Unless things have changed or I am incorrect, Atmos and DTS:X tracks need to be passed from the player to the capable AVR/Soundbar via bitstream to properly decode the extra sound objects and play it correctly. PCM won't work unfortunately. I'm only speaking about Atmos and DTS:X....not True HD or DTS-MA


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Unless things have changed or I am incorrect, Atmos and DTS:X tracks need to be passed from the player to the capable AVR/Soundbar via bitstream to properly decode the extra sound objects and play it correctly. PCM won't work unfortunately. I'm only speaking about Atmos and DTS:X....not True HD or DTS-MA


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Thanks for the clarification bcourt99!

So essentially, True HD and DTS-MA should be fine? Will have a look to see how many DTS:X titles I have
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Soundbar ARC

I believe I saw this bar can accept TrueHD and Dolby Digital through its arc. Does this also include Dolby Digital plus? This would be essential for streaming content played on a tv that can pass down DD+ from its arc. Not so much I don't think for devices plugged into the bar. They can just utilize the TrueHD.
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I believe I saw this bar can accept TrueHD and Dolby Digital through its arc. Does this also include Dolby Digital plus? This would be essential for streaming content played on a tv that can pass down DD+ from its arc. Not so much I don't think for devices plugged into the bar. They can just utilize the TrueHD.


I'm not exactly sure what you are saying but I'll just say this. It can accept LCPM or do the decoding for all Dolby formats. DTS decoding is up in the air. And yes, it will accept, via your TV's HDMI ARC, whatever your particular TV can pass via Toslink or HDMI. Most TV's can only pass via ARC DD and DTS. Not DD+ etc.


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No TV can pass anything above DD+ via ARC. It's a short TV list as well that can pass DD+ via ARC


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I'm not exactly sure what you are saying but I'll just say this. It can accept LCPM or do the decoding for all Dolby formats. DTS decoding is up in the air. And yes, it will accept, via your TV's HDMI ARC, whatever your particular TV can pass via Toslink or HDMI. Most TV's can only pass via ARC DD and DTS. Not DD+ etc.


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I have a Vizio P 2016 which I confirmed can pass DD+ over its HDMI ARC so I believe this soundbar should accept that in order to transmit the Atmos. I would but it to get the full Atmos.

Also is it known which HDR standard or both the video passthrough can handle? They just say HDR everywhere I look.

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Nice. You are one the lucky few to pass DD+ and thus Atmos. I'm not positive but if it has HDMI 2.0a, it will pass both HDR10 and DV.


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Nice. You are one the lucky few to pass DD+ and thus Atmos. I'm not positive but if it has HDMI 2.0a, it will pass both HDR10 and DV.


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You guys are just talking about Atmos coming FROM the TV via ARC - correct?

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Yeah. It's kind of side conversation. A DD+ signal is a capable container for Atmos. However, only a select number of TV's can carry DD+ over ARC. My LG B6 cannot do this as it is limited to DD only. I assume he wants to have Atmos sound via his TV's native apps. Only Vudu can do this right now as far as I know.


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Here is the list oft supported formats for every input.

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Here is the list oft supported formats for every input.

...formats supported at launch.

Rumors still persist soundbar will be upgraded with dts-X in a future firmware upgrade. Still waiting for confirmation on this from Sony. Fingers crossed!
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Spendy paperweight if Sony doesn't update it.


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I can understand why manufacturers are waiting to upgrade their UHD players to Dolby Vision. I don't understand the logic as to why such a high priced Soundbar will not have DTS at launch. It's not a new format. It has to be Dolby pushing back at manufacturers, charging extra for their cert if DTS is also planned something similar. Many manufacturers, including Sony, have the ability to de-code both formats in many of their other product lines. Sony just being cheap? Why wait at all? Samsung made the mistake of not including DTS on their recent bar. I wonder if that affected its sales. Maybe not. All conjecture here.


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it's definitely licensing that is holding DTS:X back from appearing in 2017 soundbars

and considering the soundbars that support ATMOS cost $1000+ people wonder why not just buy a receiver+speaker package that supports Atmos + DTS:X ?
the only reason to spend that much on a soundbar for Atmos/X is if you are confined in space to prevent you from a true 5.1.4 (or more) layout of speakers
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But why soundbars in particular as opposed to AVR's? That's what is perplexing to me. Also, I'm definitely in that group. I'd absolutely prefer dedicated components if it were practical.


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Dolby Vision needs extra chips in Bluray Players. That is why they aren't upgradable at all if they were not prepared for it.

That Sony will update this sound bar with DTS is more a wish than a rumour. There is not a single official word from Sony to that topic.
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Correct, thus my statement as to why I understood the DV discussion. With that said, manufacturers had the "heads up" way ahead of time regarding DV. They either decided to include it or not. DV is upgradable via software now so it's a moot point. Regardless, that is off topic. My concern is the addition of DTS decoders alongside Dolby in this soundbar.


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Dolby Vision needs extra chips in Bluray Players. That is why they aren't upgradable at all if they were not prepared for it.

That Sony will update this sound bar with DTS is more a wish than a rumour. There is not a single official word from Sony to that topic.
no longer true, dedicated chips for Dolby Vision are not required. on the player side.

if the system has sufficient processing power it can support Dolby Vision via software update

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...e-as-software/
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no longer true, dedicated chips for Dolby Vision are not required. on the player side.

if the system has sufficient processing power it can support Dolby Vision via software update

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...e-as-software/


^^^ That's what I said ^^ Haha


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this soundbar is finally up for pre-order on amazon US site. No date listed; just says it ships in 1-2 months. 1499 price as expected.

no mention of DTS there...i keep crossing my fingers for official news from sony that it will be available in a firmware update.

not placing my order until/if that happens
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Same here. Hope it collects dust until Sony figures out that it actually makes sense to have a soundbar that does everything people want. Atmos, DTS:X, HDR Passthrough, multiple HDMI inputs, up firing speakers, all the other bells and whistles like Chromecast built in with Tidal, etc. Right now, it's almost there. Just missing DTS. It will really sell at that point (I believe) unlike getting returned like the Samsung, which also doesn't have DTS.


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Sony HT-ST5000 and Vizio P-65 2016

I order movies from VUDU via my Vizio smart tablet in UHD. This would be a great benefit to get the Atmos effect on movies that offer it. However, I would also like to get the Atmos off of my 4k blu-rays playing them on the XboxOne S which can now support Atmos. I'm assuming plugging the Xbox into the bar HDMI and the bars ARC to the TV's ARC will work fine as this bar can decode the Atmos and pass the full 4K HDR video to my Vizio P-65.
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If someone has a Vizio P-65 and also plans on getting this bar, a comment on how well it performs with the TV would be much appreciated. It may be a long shot to find someone who owns that specific TV, wants this specific sound bar, and is willing to drop $1,500 to find out, but I'm putting the request out there. I would be going from a Vizio soundbar to a Sony and connecting different brands together can sometimes get tricky.


Thanks.


PS: Supposedly, there is an update coming later in the year that will add support for DTS: X to this soundbar.

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