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post #1441 of 2388 Old 01-21-2018, 11:00 AM
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In my opinion neither offer value for money compared to separates... as I think soundbar technology has a lot of room for improvement...
Exactly, I'm waiting for a soundbar that can replace my 2-channel music speakers as well as do Dolby Atmos duties. Still a few years away perhaps? But I'm in no rush to upgrade or be an early adopter.
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Really appreciate the help guys. Hopefully my patience allows me to wait and see what the new models have to offer.
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There was initially some notice...quotes by some Sony rep...that an option for rear surrounds was possible in the future, but it never materialized. The HT NT5 had the option, so I find this omission mystifying, if indeed it was technically feasible.
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Slightly off topic, Please compare audio directly from your A1E to your ST5000. What was your deciding factor for adding the ST5000? This information will greatly help me. Thank you.
A1 sounds fine out of the box providing sound that really goes from the panel and you can tell exactly the spot where it comes from.
It falls short though when compared to HT-ST5000, it just creates convincing sound bubble even if the sound is not really directional like with added speakers. A1 sounds very flat in comparison.
That saying there are games I can tell the sound is coming from behind like listening to the radio in bars in FF15 for example. Atmos is hit or miss but I found that overshooting the sound is a way to go (making the ceiling parameter lower than in reality).
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Slightly off topic, Please compare audio directly from your A1E to your ST5000. What was your deciding factor for adding the ST5000? This information will greatly help me. Thank you.
At work, I listen to Sony sound bars and the A1E every day. While the A1E "speakers" are impressive for what they are, the mids and lows just weren't enough for me. We all know you can add your own subwoofer to the set but my living room is very small so sound bars are very beneficial to me. But to answer your question more directly, Atmos and the other audio codex's are what drew me to it ultimately.

Also, for what price Sony offers us these soundbars at, you'd be mental to NOT get it...
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Slightly off topic, Please compare audio directly from your A1E to your ST5000. What was your deciding factor for adding the ST5000? This information will greatly help me. Thank you.
Bought both the A1E and the ST5000 last month during Black Friday. I came from a Samsung JS9000 and a curved 4.1 soundbar.

While the A1E speaker setup is superior to a system with no soundbar or a cheap soundbar, I was worried that it would be a step down, as the Samsung bar was pretty decent. And playing with the store demo by switching back and forth between the regular TV audio and the HTST5000 pretty much confirmed my thoughts.

The HTST5000 has amazing sound. The audio is bright, clear and feels like it’s imaging right in front of me, and it’s hard to believe that kind of audio is coming from speakers. It’s actually a bit too much for me at 800 watts, but I’ll never have to worry about audio.

Another factor was that I need four full-bandwidth 4k HDMI ports, which makes the soundbar a requirement.
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Here's something for those who wants to try whether they are getting Atmos on their 5000.

I bought the UHD version(with Atmos surround) of the movie "Everest" from VUDU and the Atmos overhead effects are very obvious.

I have not watched the movie but fast forwarded to the helicopter scene starting about 1h50mins into the film.

The overhead effects are glorious and I kept looking up to my ceiling.

The movie was played through my Roku Ultra.

As a sanity check, I played the same movie with the VUDU app from my Sony X900E Home screen. The VUDU app in the Sony Andriod OS does not support UHD and Atmos - Only HDX & DD+

The movie sounded flat with sound mainly in the horizontal plane with little height effects while the movie played through the Roku was like a wall of sound in front and above me during the helicopter rescue scene.

No rear surround effects if anyone is curious.

This "test" cost me $13.99 but was more than worth it as it really showed what the 5000 was capable of.


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Time to prove to me that the Sony 5000 is a worthy, meaning better, competitor to the Bose 500 with bass. I will very soon be given a new setup of my choice. I have always admired Sony so I felt it important to give it a chance.

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Here's something for those who wants to try whether they are getting Atmos on their 5000.

I bought the UHD version(with Atmos surround) of the movie "Everest" from VUDU and the Atmos overhead effects are very obvious.

I have not watched the movie but fast forwarded to the helicopter scene starting about 1h50mins into the film.

The overhead effects are glorious and I kept looking up to my ceiling.

The movie was played through my Roku Ultra.

As a sanity check, I played the same movie with the VUDU app from my Sony X900E Home screen. The VUDU app in the Sony Andriod OS does not support UHD and Atmos - Only HDX & DD+

The movie sounded flat with sound mainly in the horizontal plane with little height effects while the movie played through the Roku was like a wall of sound in front and above me during the helicopter rescue scene.

No rear surround effects if anyone is curious.

This "test" cost me $13.99 but was more than worth it as it really showed what the 5000 was capable of.


Cheers.

Thank you for that. Anyone else have a particular movie and/or scene that stood out to you utilizing Dolby Atmos on the ST5000?

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Thank you for that. Anyone else have a particular movie and/or scene that stood out to you utilizing Dolby Atmos on the ST5000?
Magnificent Seven UHD, final battle
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Hi all,

My current setup is:

LG OLED55B7P
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PS4 Pro / Nintendo Switch / Xfinity / some 4k Blu-ray player in the future

Never had any complaints with my current setup. My home theater is set up in a 20x25' basement with an 8' ceiling, but it's not my house so I don't want to go crazy with doing internal wiring for my home theater. This results in me using bookshelf speaker stands with wiring all over the place and frankly it drives me crazy now.

I've been considering a sound bar since they've improved sound-quality wise, but I don't want to sacrifice 5.1 audio so a modern soundbar that simulates surround seems worthwhile.

Given my current setup, do you guys think the Sony would deliver equal / better audio quality and a comparable surround experience?
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Hi all,

My current setup is:

LG OLED55B7P
Denon AVR-1913
Pioneer BS21 / FS51 / C21
BiC America Formula 12" sub
PS4 Pro / Nintendo Switch / Xfinity / some 4k Blu-ray player in the future

Never had any complaints with my current setup. My home theater is set up in a 20x25' basement with an 8' ceiling, but it's not my house so I don't want to go crazy with doing internal wiring for my home theater. This results in me using bookshelf speaker stands with wiring all over the place and frankly it drives me crazy now.

I've been considering a sound bar since they've improved sound-quality wise, but I don't want to sacrifice 5.1 audio so a modern soundbar that simulates surround seems worthwhile.

Given my current setup, do you guys think the Sony would deliver equal / better audio quality and a comparable surround experience?

The 5000 does not simulate rears well so if you need near discrete levels of the surround for the rears I'll suggest you consider a soundbar with wireless rears.

If you are not in a rush, I'll suggest that test the new HT-Z9F when it is released in Spring.
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Magnificent Seven UHD, final battle

I just finished the entire "Everest" movie.

From 1hr 15mins onwards into the film is pure Atmos nirvana.

Immersion is amazing. Again rears are weak but the rest is just amazing.

I played with sitting distance from the soundbar and about 1.5-2m away works best.

Enjoy!
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Hi,

I just got my ubp-x800 blu ray player and HTST5000, I wonder how I can get Atmos or DTS:X display on my screen cause currently is just showing True HD 7.1 or DTS. I notice some people got the same question earlier so wonder if it resolved. Can anyone tell me what the settings should be on ubp-x800 blu ray player and HTST5000 to be able to display it correctly?

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X800 never displays Atmos, you have to use HT-ST5000 to do that.
And to be able to do that - you have to temporarily set HDMI port that you connected X800 to - to standard from enhanced in HT-ST5000 menu.
It will be unable to play 4k/HDR/p60 then but it will be able to display an overlay.

So you do that, play the movie to check if Atmos is being played and after checking you set the port to enhanced again (because - for example Youtube requires it for HDR).

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interesting device for "normal" rooms. Now if only there was a damn streaming device that provided sufficient atmos content, then we are good to go. It is good that more "mainstream" atmos hardware is coming out so that they will eventually release streaming atmos on more streaming boxes (apple tv 4k hopefully).

I find it interesting that apple tv 4k for example, is still stuck in 5.1 for almost all of its content!

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The 5000 does not simulate rears well so if you need near discrete levels of the surround for the rears I'll suggest you consider a soundbar with wireless rears.

If you are not in a rush, I'll suggest that test the new HT-Z9F when it is released in Spring.
No particular rush but thanks for the recommendation, the rear satellites would still require a power cable though, right?
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In the firmware update from September, it mentions "Adds support for the Multi-room Group Sync feature"

What does this mean exactly? I thought the soundbar always had multi-room support.
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No particular rush but thanks for the recommendation, the rear satellites would still require a power cable though, right?
Yes, I believe the rear speakers will still need the power cable.

The upcoming Samsung N950 is also another Atmos option with wireless rears (power cord still required) but little info is available at this point of time.

If you need complete wireless rears, you can prob consider the Denon Heos Bar and pair them with the Heos 1 speakers as wireless rears.

The Heos 1 are available with optional battery packs so you do not need to plug them in for use.

However the Heos Bar does not come with Atmos function.

I for one can't live without Atmos now that I had a taste of what it can do for an immersive movie experience at home.
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This is a bit random, but Captain America: The First Avenger sounds phenomenal on this thing. Obviously, it's not Dolby Atmos supported but the mix on it is incredible. A lot of sounds felt like they came from overhead.
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X800 never displays Atmos, you have to use HT-ST5000 to do that.
And to be able to do that - you have to temporarily set HDMI port that you connected X800 to - to standard from enhanced in HT-ST5000 menu.
It will be unable to play 4k/HDR/p60 then but it will be able to display an overlay.

So you do that, play the movie to check if Atmos is being played and after checking you set the port to enhanced again (because - for example Youtube requires it for HDR).
Thank you buddy,

Just wanted to make sure I am utilizing the correct settings, when you say change your HDMI settings from enhanced format to standard format..... is this on my SONY TV or the sound bar?? Because currently I had my ubp-x800 blu ray Video (HDMI 1) goes to TV and Audio (HDMI 2) goes into the sound bar.
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Would you buy the 5000 if it did not have the ATMOS feature?

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After months of research, I finally managed to get wireless rears for the 5000 to turn it into a true 5.1 Atmos system.

Since my 5000 is connected to the Roku Ultra, I was wondering whether I could do something with the optical output on the Roku.

While browsing the Best Buy site, I chanced upon the Insignia wireless rear speaker kit; link below:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insigni...?skuId=5864200

The transmitter module comes with an optical input and decodes Dolby 5.1.

I connected the transmitter to the Roku with an optical and Viola! I got rear surrounds!

I watched the UHD and Atmos "Everest" again on VUDU and this time the snow was swirling all around me with thunder at ceiling levels amazing.

Watching music videos on Youtube was inspiring as well with full 5.1 channels.

I did some 5.1 test videos on Youtube and the rears worked as there were supposed to.

You are able to control the volume and delay on the rear speakers so a bit of manual tweaking is required as there is no master volumn controller for the 5000 and the rears. I'm willing to live with this slight inconvenience to finally get rear surrounds for a damn good Atmos soundbar in my opinion.

I'm now researching whether I can buy some better satellites to replace the insignia ones.

However.... there is caveat for those hoping that this method will work with a Blu Ray player.... I'm not sure.

The reason why this is working is due to the fact that the Roku box does not decode any Dolby or DTS signals.. It just passes through audio and the 5000 decodes Dolby Atmos/DD+ through HDMI while the Insignia box decodes the rear channels of the Dolby 5.1 signal from the Optical. I believe Optical can't do better than DD.

I do not think you can do the same for a Blu Ray player as the player itself decodes the audio signals.

AND for those rushing to buy Roku Ultra boxes, unfortunately Roku has removed the optical output from their new batch of Ultras. I believe this started last Nov. So you really gotta get the earlier models released.

Hope this help those who really need 5.1 from their 5000.

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Just wanted to make sure I am utilizing the correct settings, when you say change your HDMI settings from enhanced format to standard format..... is this on my SONY TV or the sound bar?? Because currently I had my ubp-x800 blu ray Video (HDMI 1) goes to TV and Audio (HDMI 2) goes into the sound bar.
I have no idea if you can check it then. Try to wire X800 through the soundbar completely with ARC to TV and then check it.

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Hi, it seems that I have echo when I am playing from original disc. Soundfield clearaudio or 3D surround. I didnt have it before. Any advice?
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Hi, it seems that I have echo when I am playing from original disc. Soundfield clearaudio or 3D surround. I didnt have it before. Any advice?
My sound effect is turned off and prefer original sounds from the source.

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Loud white noise at switch on

We've had our ST5000 for a couple of months and it's been fine.

Recently though, it's started making a very loud white noise for around 3 seconds at switch on.

Has anyone else had this problem?

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Sony 5000 v Bose 300

Has anyone compared the Sony 500 to the Bose 300?

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I'd go Bose except if Atmos is a priority.
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Atmos is not a priority. Thanks

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