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Streaming wise for now I recommend Skyscraper 4k Atmos movie. Two scenes in particular. Wil climbing up to get to the Crane. Lots overhead Helicopter Atmos. And the scene Falling Burning tree from inside the skyscraper.

When watching those scenes put your ears over top of the upFiring speaker plates to know when over heads occur.

Appx. _____
Minutes from
40:28_____41:25 overhead helicopter____55:10 falling burning tree
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As you watch movie Click Sony 5000 remotes Display button top right area. See display on the 5000 soundbar to see if it says Atmos signals is outputing. You will need the 5000 with current firmware
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read sound review portion https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2018/10/09/skyscraper-4k-blu-ray-review-tall-story/
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When you know all the best scenes to analyse atmos from your ear over sony 5000 upfiring speaker plate... get a standard height folding chair. Seat yourself 4-41/2 feet from 5000 front face playe. Go to 5000 audio settings set height speaker to max DB. With remote bring up 5000 to max volume. Now watch those overhead atmos scenes.
You can also move chair around then sit and relisten. To find best MLP
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I have probably over 50 disc and streaming movies with Atmos track. Among the very best if not the the very best Atmos are from the two Goosebumps movies. Streaming Goosebumps #1 may not be Atmos. 1080p Disc definitely yes. Goosebumps #2 not out on disc yet. But available streaming. On VUDU UHD 4K its Atmos with HDR. Of all my Atmos movies Goosebumps #2 is Extremely Outstanding with lots lots overhead or near overhead Atmos of left and right upFiring speakers. With 4 channels it will fire some atmos to the fronts. Some to the rears. Some to both.
______ Upon the Sony 5000 both front and rear Atmos overhead sounds appears all brought to the front 5000 upFiring speakers. Goosebumps #2 is unbelievable Magnificient Awesome Atmos Reference material.
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Playing 4k UHD Atmos Goosebumps #2 streaming to my Sony 5000 note these overhead and high fronts Atmos: from minute 1:00 punpkin sargent blasting torch flames and bullets. From 1:01 flying ghosts. from 1:02 blue purple spider entrance. from 1:03 Electro high tower. from 1:07 Bats upon entrance. and bats flying to the rear. UNDERSTAND these are but just a few of the overheads Atmos examples of this movie.

I would suggest buying 1080p disc GooseBumps #1 with Atmos. Its an old movie. But stunning use of upFiring atmos. Adults and children would love this family movie. Play disc upon the Sony 5000. Massively enjoy its upFiring speakers.
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Sony 5000 Audio Settings:

True 5000
front speaker face plate to mlp
53 inch.

True 5000 atmos speaker top face plate to ceiling 64 inch. 5feet 4 inch

Atmos top face plate to floor
31 inch.

Top ceiling to floor

64 + 31 = 95. .......8 feet x 12 is 96

Speaker Settings
Front
plate to mlp 6.25ft
Subwoofer to mlp 3.5 feet

Level
Front -1.5 DB
Height 6 DB
Subwoofer 6 DB

ceiling Height
table top to ceiling top. Actual is
64 inch + 3 =67 = 5feet 7 inch

I did 4 feet entered not bad!

Entering 3.5 feet ceiling bounce seems louder ( than entering 4) with good placement of sound. Did not like entering 5.5feet which is the actual measured value.
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Audio DRC set to off.

My Ceiling is Flat and Horizontal.
I have tried your settings then soundfield is indeed much better than the default 000. So I believe a fine tune is really necessary for ST5000. If Sony can't give us rear speaker, at least they should provide an automatic calibration way just like what Yamaha did. Manually config is almost impossible for different room and listening position. I am really tired of jumping between menu and play same atmos demo again and again to find the sweet spot.
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I have tried your settings then soundfield is indeed much better than the default 000. So I believe a fine tune is really necessary for ST5000. If Sony can't give us rear speaker, at least they should provide an automatic calibration way just like what Yamaha did. Manually config is almost impossible for different room and listening position. I am really tired of jumping between menu and play same atmos demo again and again to find the sweet spot.
While waiting for delivery of latest 1x2 splitter (as per previous postings) I too, am trying some new Atmos settings as suggested by @Z9DAtmosVuduDV . Have also heard an improved sound-field, but still miss the rears.

No success with using the matrices just as splitters, so hopefully the 1x2 will work for Atmos to soundbar and 5.1 to rears.
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Click home button on 5000 remote.
Go to speaker settings.
At screen with distance, level, test tone, ceiling height=====> test tone on. Then return to screen with distance level test tone ceiling height. Click Distance. You may have front at 6.25 now. Increment it to 7 25. Hit remote back button to take you back to screen with distance level test tone ceiling height. Listen to up firing tone. Note its position of hit on ceiling height. Go back to distance and enter 8.25. The sound hit on ceiling should move closer to mlp direct over head. Note when you return to screen with 4 values... the test tones cyvle thru automatically.
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As top firing test tones cycles automatically move your folding chair around the room. Listening to top firing test tone bounce of ceiling. Note best MLP's. Then return to Distance screen and enter new distance from front of 5000 to mlp and ceiling heights. Leaving the test tones setting still on. Return back to the 4 items selection screen easily by clicking back on remote. ReListen to cycling topFiring test tones as you move chair around again to assess. When you find what mlp you like... ONLY then watch an Atmos 4K Movie disc to assess real sounds bouncing from ceiling heights. Hearing cycling test tones as aforementioned before saves extended long extra efforts
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I am struggling to settle on a good number for subwoofer adjustment. This sub is so freaking powerful! What number do you guys have it set on? Where its not to boomy not weak either losing performance/sound.
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Me. Regards sub. I set 5000 menu settings to Max DB. Then I use the Sony 5000 remove's SubWoofer volume control to adjust based on nature of movies I watch. Or how late at night it is.
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Sony 5000 Audio Settings:

True 5000
front speaker face plate to mlp
53 inch.

True 5000 atmos speaker top face plate to ceiling 64 inch. 5feet 4 inch

Atmos top face plate to floor
31 inch.

Top ceiling to floor

64 + 31 = 95. .......8 feet x 12 is 96

Speaker Settings
Front
plate to mlp 6.25ft
Subwoofer to mlp 3.5 feet

Level
Front -1.5 DB
Height 6 DB
Subwoofer 6 DB

ceiling Height
table top to ceiling top. Actual is
64 inch + 3 =67 = 5feet 7 inch

I did 4 feet entered not bad!

Entering 3.5 feet ceiling bounce seems louder ( than entering 4) with good placement of sound. Did not like entering 5.5feet which is the actual measured value.
.

Audio DRC set to off.

My Ceiling is Flat and Horizontal.
Hi Z9DAtmosVuduDV


Am I right in ascertaining that your method here is drop 27% off the ceiling height, and then have the height be +6db with front -1.5db, to make the height alot more pronounced?

Are your seating distances actual?
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Crimson Sword. I'll post measurements on my next post for you. I read lotsa forums on upFiring speakers. I also have a 5.1.4 Atmos system with AVR, Front upFiring speakers Klipsch rp500sa and Rear upFiring Focals. From forums after EQ____ peoples are uping the upFiring speakers by +3DB to +5DB or more. Depending on ceiling proerties.

Watch 4K Atmos discs GooseBumps 1 and Goosebumps 2. Lots panning left right, front back of Atmos objects. Lots object hits positional from top of atmos bubble. Amazing Reference Atmos here to tune your Atmos Bubble. Goose Bumps 2 is a must must buy. An important observation I learn is while watching Atmos Ref movie... know when at movie object ceiling hits occurs. Put your ears near top of upFiring speaker plate. You hear how loud it is. Then go sit at your MLP. If seated at your MLP you can't hear very well those Atmos objects you know that upFires... Then up the AVR DB for those upFiring speakers. If you hear some overhead frequencies at speaker face plate but not at MLP... then up the relative DB for the Atmos speaker at AVR. ie, coins rattaling, missles, bullets, helecopters, etc. These are relative loudness Atmos object DB adjustments relative to regular 5.1 surrounds loudness. Fine tune so you can hear very well both. You know whats suppose to come out from upFiring speaker for you had your ears near its face plate. See if those sounds bounce well from ceiling to mlp. Also where they hit on the ceiling, Aka Atmos bubble. Know this. Just increasing volume from AVR Remotes +vol, -vol won't do IT!!! For increase volume from 5.1 surrounds speakers will dround out increase volume from up firing speakers. THUS the need to up relative DB for upFiring at AVR's DB Level menu. Thats why on my Sony 5000 my upFiring DB is +6. But my 5000 surrounds DB is quite low relative. Results for me by my ceiling properties is balance in subs, surrounds, upFiring sounds. And as I increase vol by Sony 5000 remote... Those aforementioned 3 remains in balance. Yes I can hear sony 5000 Atmos ceiling hits from locations one feet in front of me the MLP. Even to sides of Atmos top bubble one feet in front of me. You need to tune your upFiring 5000 speaker at max DB relative. Then lower its DB LASTLY Later to balance all if necessary.
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CrimsonSword. Print Published 5000 review saids for Atmos Bubble effect distance of MLP to Sony 5000 best at 4 to 4.5 feet. It also said if more than 4.5 feet Sony 5000 gives more of a High Front Stage effect. Of cource if 5000 not tuned properly my experience been more High Front Stage effect rather than Atmos bubble even at 4 feet MLP TO Sony 5000 Front speaker face plate. But my careful tuning brings an excellent Atmos Bubble. That Im happy with. Keeping in mind the 5000 is a soundbar. Which is different from AVR 5.1.2 or 5.1.4____which I have lots experience with both. All this can vary with individual ceiling properties. JMO.
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CrimsonSword. True 5000 upFiring speaker plate to my ceiling 5 feet 4 inch. At Sony 5000's menu I entered
3.5 feet with DB +6.______True 5000 front face plate to MLP 4 feet 5 inch. At Sony 5000 menu I entered 6.25 feet with DB negative -1.5 feet. My Sub is 3.5 feet away. Entering +6 DB. In that I use 5000 remotes SW Vol control for Sub vol adjustment. My Z9D TV Face of display to 5000 front speaker face plate is 16 inch. Sony 5000 front face speaker plate to MLP is 53-56 inch. Sony 5000 upFiring face plate to ceiling is 65 inch. Floor to ceiling top is 8 feet.
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I brought the just released new GooseBumps #2 4K Atmos disc today. Even thought I have the Vudu Dolby Vision Atmos streaming version. The streaming version is Lossy Atmos. This Disc Atmos version is not Lossy. It certainly throws more sound types and range for ceiling bounce to MLP. This is an Exceptional Atmos Reference disc. If you are tuning your Sony 5000 for an ideal Atmos Bubble just go directly to its Chapter 10 and watch thru end of movie. Listen to tons of Atmos objects bouncing down from your ceiling top. Left to right; Right to left side panning of Atmos. Back to front panning. Strong over head Atmos.

With this disc I was able to tune my Sony 5000 even further. Because there were so so many Atmos elements with various sounds. My previous post listed:
True 5000 upFiring speaker plate to my ceiling 5 feet 4 inch. At Sony 5000's menu I entered
3.5 feet with DB +6._______ I changed the 3.5 feet to 5 feet. Kept the DB +6. Resulting in stronger ceiling hits. More Dynamic overhead Atmos. Less noticable horizontal atmos sound bleed from the 5000's upFiring speakers___Maybe because Atmos hitting the ceiling is so much more Dynamic on the bounce by my ears. Watching GooseBump #1 when the invisable boy jumped on the front hood of a moving car I heard strong Thumps on my house ceiling top. When the Invisible boy then hopped in steps to ceiling of the car... The overhead Thumps I heard on my house ceiling top moved couple feet towards about one foot from the MLP. GooseBumps #1 is a great Atmos 1080p Reference disc. Some real serious Atmos objects throughout. But my #1 Atmos Reference disc is GooseBumps #2 .
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Results from the new aformentioned Sony 5000 settings. 4K Atmos Movie disc "Ready Player One". At minute 42:06 Transport Space Ship to Dance Planet drops out of my ceiling from directly overhead the MLP. From a little to the right of me. Appears even from a little behind me. Wow. Thats quite an Atmos Bubble for a soundbar. You can follow that 3D sound as the Transport Ship flys to the Dance planet. The spaceship sound flys to the lower left of my Z9D Display. You can literally track its sound movement from overhead the MLP as it drops from ceiling top and traverse to lower left of my TV.
Good Luck to All of you guys as you tune your Amazing Sony HT-ST5000. Remember for me I sit appx 4.5 feet from my 5000's Front speakers face plate. I would start 5000 tuning from that distance. When achieved a good Atmos Bubble then move the MLP seat around with new settings
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John Wick #1 . Minute 5:00 all the way thru minute 6:00. Strong POURING rain sounds overhead from Top of the Atmos Bubble bouncing downwards. From Sony 5000 All the way to the ceiling directly above the MLP. With MLP Seating 4.5 feet from Sony 5000 Front speaker face plate. Aim for this objective with Sony 5000 settings. If you achieved my aforementioned Atmos upFiring results from Ready Player One then those 5000 settings will give you awesome overhead atmos loud downward pouring rain in John Wick 4K Atmos disc.
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I've got a buzzing/fluttering driver as mentioned by a few other folks in this thread. Pressing on the driver near the surround fixes it for a while but it always comes back. I'm a little disappointed in the quality. Seems like the HT-ST9 has the same driver problem as there are several reviews with the same issue for that model as well. It's most noticeable in the male vocal range (85-180Hz).


I'd recommend anyone with this soundbar get an extended warranty, it doesn't seem like this is an uncommon issue. Mine took over a year to develop it but now that it's doing it I have no recourse other than sending it to New York to get fixed out of warranty.
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I've got a buzzing/fluttering driver as mentioned by a few other folks in this thread. Pressing on the driver near the surround fixes it for a while but it always comes back. I'm a little disappointed in the quality. Seems like the HT-ST9 has the same driver problem as there are several reviews with the same issue for that model as well. It's most noticeable in the male vocal range (85-180Hz).


I'd recommend anyone with this soundbar get an extended warranty, it doesn't seem like this is an uncommon issue. Mine took over a year to develop it but now that it's doing it I have no recourse other than sending it to New York to get fixed out of warranty.
Roger that. I bought the Best Buy Geek Squad extended warranty when I got mine. Good for 4 years.
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Lately I've been having an issue with my center speaker where certain frequencies create a slightly fuzzy, distorted sound. If I remove the front panel on the sound bar and slightly touch the speaker itself it will disrupt the fuzz/distortion (it seems like the distortion sound has something to do with how the speaker vibrates). Then I won't notice it for a while, but eventually it comes back again. It doesn't seem to be a serious issue since it has a quick fix, but the trouble is that the quick fix doesn't last. Anyone had any issues like this?
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I'm having the same problem, but in my case it's the leftmost speaker. User Megalodon also contacted me because of this issue. So at least it seems real. I still haven't gotten in contact with Sony though, because I can't properly reproduce the problem. Meanwhile I suspect it could happen if you simply turn up the volume a tad too much and the vibration kicks something out of its place. About 3 weeks passed since it happened to me last time (using the soundbar daily), but that doesn't really mean much...
Hi Guys,

I think I have exactly the same problem as you guys. At the end of the day my center speaker creates a distorted sound. I attached a recording of a movie intro, on the first couple of seconds you can hear if very clearly.

Anyone else has this problem? Someone contacted Sony about this?

Im not 100%, but I started hearing it after the last firmware update.

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Hi Guys,

I think I have exactly the same problem as you guys. At the end of the day my center speaker creates a distorted sound. I attached a recording of a movie intro, on the first couple of seconds you can hear if very clearly.

Anyone else has this problem? Someone contacted Sony about this?

Im not 100%, but I started hearing it after the last firmware update.

Regards,
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That's exactly the same issue I have, the example you recorded is spot on as well!
I still haven't contacted sony, as the distorted sounds haven't returned for about 2 months meanwhile. I think it has something to do with how you use the soundbar. I happened to me when I turned up the volume more than usual (like when the family wasn't around for some weeks). But normally I can't put the volume higher than 12 (due to sleeping kids) and since then the issue didn't come back.

I don't think it's a firmware issue, had it already before the latest e-arc update.

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Yes, I can confirm that the Roky Ultra with optical output allows for Atmos thru HDMI and 5.1 rears on the optical simultaneously. Works great for me with no noticeable lag between the bar and the rears.
I was unable to find a splitter that would work (similarly as Roku) with ATV 4K, most of my movie purchases are iTunes HD (which were auto upgraded to 4K with Atmos by Apple). Vudu only provides Atmos on UHD movies (and none of my movies transferred to UHD on Vudu). Only have 2 movies on Vudu which are UHD/Atmos...

Finally got a Roku 4640 (with optical), however I don’t think I have it set properly to passthrough Atmos on HDMI. The Insignia rears are working with 5.1. When I play either of these 2 movies on Roku Vudu, Atmos is indicated in the upper right corner (as seen on OSD with playback controls), but the ST5000 display shows “DD+ 5.1”, not “Dolby Atmos” (displayed when I play the movies via iTunes).

Do you see “Dolby Atmos” on ST5000 display? If so, can you post your audio settings for ST5000 and Roku.

Thanks again for your great advice on Insignia...as I really like the 5.1 rears for fuller soundfield.
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Streaming wise for now I recommend Skyscraper 4k Atmos movie. Two scenes in particular. Wil climbing up to get to the Crane. Lots overhead Helicopter Atmos. And the scene Falling Burning tree from inside the skyscraper.

Minutes from
40:28_____41:25 overhead helicopter____55:10 falling burning tree
Wow! Sitting at 4.5’ feet from soundbar...I finally was able to hear Atmos. Helicopter was directly overhead.

I can even hear it now at 10-11’ (MLP).

Thanks for all of your help.
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I was unable to find a splitter that would work (similarly as Roku) with ATV 4K, most of my movie purchases are iTunes HD (which were auto upgraded to 4K with Atmos by Apple). Vudu only provides Atmos on UHD movies (and none of my movies transferred to UHD on Vudu). Only have 2 movies on Vudu which are UHD/Atmos...

Finally got a Roku 4640 (with optical), however I don’t think I have it set properly to passthrough Atmos on HDMI. The Insignia rears are working with 5.1. When I play either of these 2 movies on Roku Vudu, Atmos is indicated in the upper right corner (as seen on OSD with playback controls), but the ST5000 display shows “DD+ 5.1”, not “Dolby Atmos” (displayed when I play the movies via iTunes).

Do you see “Dolby Atmos” on ST5000 display? If so, can you post your audio settings for ST5000 and Roku.

Thanks again for your great advice on Insignia...as I really like the 5.1 rears for fuller soundfield.

Go to settings and set Audio to auto detect rather than specifying DD+/DTS. That should get you Atmos on the 5000.
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Go to settings and set Audio to auto detect rather than specifying DD+/DTS. That should get you Atmos on the 5000.
Had main set to auto but not HDMI/Spdif...reset to auto...Voila. Awesome.

Thank you so much...this is fantastic!
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My Roku's HDMI cable connected to Sony 5000 HDMI3 port. I played many VUDU UHD Atmos movies thru the 5000. It displays DD+ in and Atmos out. My G6 OLED also show UHD Atmos. Man. I can't wait for Roku with Dolby Vision
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How much air should the sub move when working hard?

Finally received my system after waiting 45 days for backorder to clear. I have connected and updated the firmware to 1005, but am surprised that the base is not strong, even at +6 with 5.1 content. I have read that for others the firmware made a large difference, but for me it is underwhelming. When playing bass-heavy movie at volume 20 (which is loud but not obnoxious), when holding my hand to the sub port is seems very little air in being moved.

Based on reviews here, could my sub be somehow defective?

System is in a 12x12 room with 9' ceilings, connected by HDMI to a FireTV, Samsung UHD Player and Samsung Q7 TV. Tried sub in various locations, best in rear corner, comments above still apply.

Input appreciated.
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For louder SubWoofer try...
at audio settings Front -1.5 DB, Height +6DB, SubWoofer +6DB THEN at 5000 remotes SW VOL BUTTON set to 10. At main 5000 volume right buttons set to 40 more or less. Vary to preference. The low DB fronts allows subwoofer to go to dynamic sounding levels. Again understand this concept. Then adjust aforemention settings to your preference. The low Front DB also allows the Atmos Heights to flourish. As you bring Ftonts volume up by 500p's remote
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