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Wireless Speaker/Rear Surround capability?

Hey all,

Questions about potential rear speaker surround compatibility with the SBT-A500. I'm pretty confused by the FireConnect/PlayFi compatibility... at this point, there doesn't seem to be any use for it.

1) Does it seem like some time this year Onkyo will be putting out rear speakers that work wirelessly with this unit? Or is it the FireConnect/PlayFi compatibility that will allow the use of non-Onkyo rear speakers?

2) Is there a chance they will never come out with rear surround capability?

3) Music does not sound great through the soundbar. Can the soundbar eventual be used as a hub to stream to better wireless speakers for music?

Thanks!
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Yes, Playfi is the key. You can add rears from any manufacturer. You can also add other better multiroomspeakers with the Onkyo as hub but I think Playfi is limited to 2 speakers max.
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Yes, Playfi is the key. You can add rears from any manufacturer. You can also add other better multiroomspeakers with the Onkyo as hub but I think Playfi is limited to 2 speakers max.
Is PlayFi already functional or are we waiting on a firmware update?
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We are waiting for an update. But it is confirmed and will be released.
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Just purchased an OLED TV and was going to go ahead and get this soundbar, but I've seen some unflattering reviews about the sound quality. I'm wondering if adding rears would improve things - any news on when this functionality will be available?

How about Play-Fi, is that working yet? I just ordered a standalone Play-Fi speaker from Phorus to test, not realizing Play-Fi wasn't working on this yet.

There do not seem to be any real reviews of the Pioneer version of this, any reason to think it might have better sound?

Every bar seems to have limitations. The Samsung doesn't support DTS except in stereo, the Definitive Technology doesn't support ARC, on and on. This one seemed to have it all, I really want it to work!
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No Playfi and therefore no rears until now. The only difference of the Pioneer is that the Pioneer had a sub out, so you can use your own powered sub.

The main reason why this soundbar gets worse sound ratings in comparison to the other soundbar is that this sound bar doesn't simulate rears. It is a 3.1.2 sound bar, not a 5.1.2 or 7.1.2 like the sony.
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5/30 checking in.... still no rears possible

I want DTSX + DolbyTrueHD with physically separate surrounds.... seems no one is able to do this today
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Side note.... looking at rear pictures of both the Onkyo SBT-A500 and Pioneer FS-EB70, neither show an ability to add your own SUB, unless you are talking about adding it wireless somehow.
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The Pioneer has a Sub Pre Out in the right lower corner at the backside. Look at the pictures. The Onkyo NCP-302 is available but too expensive and very big for a rear. Look at the Klipsch RW-1 (also 300$...) . There will come cheaper speakers.
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The Polk S2 / S2R look pretty good to me. So there are options for rears...
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I found the onkyo for 699$, would love to grab it but not sure if it is going to support rear surround or just multi-room, I have tried a few soundbars and it definitely makes a difference to physically have sound coming from the sides

Does anyone know how long the cable that goes from AVR to soundbar is? I could not find this on the manual.

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I found the onkyo for 699$, would love to grab it but not sure if it is going to support rear surround or just multi-room, I have tried a few soundbars and it definitely makes a difference to physically have sound coming from the sides

Does anyone know how long the cable that goes from AVR to soundbar is? I could not find this on the manual.
I recently emailed with an Onkyo technical specialist and he wrote "The Play-Fi will not enable you to add additional speakers to your sound bar system. You would be able to use either the sound bar or the Play-Fi enabled speakers." Big disappointment if that's true.
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It is not true. Playfi advertises exactly that.
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It is not true. Playfi advertises exactly that.
I'm not so sure... I doubted it to for the same reason, but if you look at Play-Fi's page, it talks about adding rear surround speakers to models with "Play-Fi Surround." In looking at Onkyo's marketing on the SBT-A500, nowhere in its Play-Fi marketing does it say Play-Fi will enable wireless rear surround capabilities or that this unit is "Play-Fi Surround" capable. Here is the exact explanation from the Play-Fi end:


"Products that Support Play-Fi Surround

There are two elements of product required for Play-Fi Surround. They are the concepts of the Master and its Surrounds. In order to have Play-Fi Surround, you need at least one product that can be the Master, and you need two to act in Surround as Left and Right respectively. Any Play-Fi product can act as Surround Left or Right, but the Master has special requirements, and is limited to select products.

For a Play-Fi product to qualify as a Play-Fi Surround Master, it must:

Be capable of decoding a 5.1 surround stream in some format

Be fully software and firmware updated

Support Play-Fi's Line-In functionality to capture and redistribute audio through hardware inputs

Play-Fi does not limit this functionality to product type, so as long as the product supports the above, it can be a Play-Fi Surround Master. Speak with your product manufacturer to find out if your Play-Fi product supports the Play-Fi Surround feature, or if one is coming soon, either via an update or hardware revision."

So what the Onkyo rep is saying is that this soundbar is not going to be updated to be a Play-Fi Surround Master, just multiroom audio. All that being said, I replied to the email from Onkyo with your exact statement... I also asked if the soundbar is/will be FireConnect enabled for multi-room audio, why enable it with Play-Fi for the exact same thing? I'll post the reply when I receive it.

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I'm not so sure... I doubted it to for the same reason, but if you look at Play-Fi's page, it talks about adding rear surround speakers to models with "Play-Fi Surround." In looking at Onkyo's marketing on the SBT-A500, nowhere in its Play-Fi marketing does it say Play-Fi will enable wireless rear surround capabilities or that this unit is "Play-Fi Surround" capable. Here is the exact explanation from the Play-Fi end:


"Products that Support Play-Fi Surround

There are two elements of product required for Play-Fi Surround. They are the concepts of the Master and its Surrounds. In order to have Play-Fi Surround, you need at least one product that can be the Master, and you need two to act in Surround as Left and Right respectively. Any Play-Fi product can act as Surround Left or Right, but the Master has special requirements, and is limited to select products.

For a Play-Fi product to qualify as a Play-Fi Surround Master, it must:

Be capable of decoding a 5.1 surround stream in some format

Be fully software and firmware updated

Support Play-Fi's Line-In functionality to capture and redistribute audio through hardware inputs

Play-Fi does not limit this functionality to product type, so as long as the product supports the above, it can be a Play-Fi Surround Master. Speak with your product manufacturer to find out if your Play-Fi product supports the Play-Fi Surround feature, or if one is coming soon, either via an update or hardware revision."

So what the Onkyo rep is saying is that this soundbar is not going to be updated to be a Play-Fi Surround Master, just multiroom audio. All that being said, I replied to the email from Onkyo with your exact statement... I also asked if the soundbar is/will be FireConnect enabled for multi-room audio, why enable it with Play-Fi for the exact same thing? I'll post the reply when I receive it.
Okay, the final word on Play Fi surround for this soundbar is official. I received this reply from Onkyo via Facebook, so that's two Onkyo sources who have confirmed no wireless surround support:

"Hello, sorry about the delay. I was waiting for information from our engineers. The update will not support Play Fi surround. Thank you, CB"
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Onkyo released firmware for this soundbar today.

SBT-A500
(Current Version 2069-2030-1010-0008)

The 8/1/2017 update will address the following, and includes previous updates:

1. Adds support for DTS Play-Fi. *To use Play-Fi, you need to download the application. http://www.onkyo.com/manual/sup/upd/playfi_onk.pdf
2. Expand playable content of DTS:X.
3. Improved stability of Audio Output.
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Alright fellas, is anyone truly happy with this thing? I found it for $550 which is very tempting but with all the poor reviews of sound quality I have pause even at that price.
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Alright fellas, is anyone truly happy with this thing? I found it for $550 which is very tempting but with all the poor reviews of sound quality I have pause even at that price.
Onkyo is a great company, great customer service, awesome receivers... but I can't recommend this soundbar at all. I bought it, and then returned it and got a Paradigm PW. (At the time, that was only a $300 price difference.) The audio quality was night and day. Even my girlfriend, who couldn't care less about sound or audio or anything technical, said the difference was obvious. I felt the Onkyo was only a slight improvement over my internal TV speakers, surround effect was non existent for movies and TV, and really poor for music. It had very easy setup and great connectivity features, and the size was awesome, but I think that's probably what ultimately really limited it. IMO I'd avoid it and look at something that is more highly rated on sound.
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This is pretty cheap now. Does the DTS Play-Fi features make it worth it?

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This can be had for $400 now. Worth it?

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I am also looking at this system or the identical Pioneer Elite FS-EB70. This is one of the few systems that has a subwoofer out port. I already have a very nice HSU subwoofer that I use for music and it has two line level inputs.

Can the wireless sub that comes with it and a wired sub both work at the same time or is it one or the other? I might just use the HSU, my guess it is the better of the two subs.

Word has it that the Pioneer product will start shipping the first week of February.

Can the volume on the subwoofer out port be adjusted?
I know this thread is old, but I have the Pioneer FS-EB70 and 8 have both the wireless sub and a wired sub working at the same time.
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I ordered the SBT-A500 from Amazon. The price has dropped to a pretty attractive level given the feature set. I have an Onkyo HT system in our basement TV room and like it a lot. We upgraded to a 4k Sony TV upstairs in our family room (20x20) - the picture is great but the sound is seriously lacking. I like the setup of the Onkyo system with the separate "receiver" unit - I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. If it works, great, if not I'll return and get the Nakamichi Soundwafe Ultra system.

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I've had a the SBT-A500 for a couple of weeks now and wanted to give my impressions. I was looking for a sound bar as we bought a new Sony 4K HDR TV, and the TV's audio was pretty poor compared to our previous Sharp Aquos TV. I originally purchased the Sony HT-ST5000 from BB, but returned it after I found they sold me an open box item as new. I did some further research into soundbars and focused on the Onkyo SBT-A500 and the Nakamichi Shockwafe systems. I initially leaned toward the Nakamichi system with the rear satellites and dual sub-woofers, but the more we discussed it the more I didn't like the thought of speaker stands in our family room with an active 9-year old boy running around. I shifted to the Onkyo system, and the more I looked into it the more I liked it. The reviews weren't great, but most were early purchasers who seemed to complain about the price of the system. The price has dropped significantly since the system was introduced last year, and I've had a pretty good experience with my Onkyo TX-NR717 AVR in our basement TV room, so I decided to give the Onkyo a shot and I'm glad I did.

As most know, the system has three pieces: soundbar, sub-woofer, and a "receiver" unit that actually houses all of the connections, which enables the soundbar itself to be very low profile. Setup was very simple: I connected our cable set-top box/DVR and the Xbox One X to the receiver unit via HDMI, then ran one HDMI cable from the receiver to the ARC-enabled HDMI input on the TV. The only issue I've encountered is that the receiver unit will not connect to our wifi network on the 5Ghz band, but it will connect on the 2.4 Ghz band. I also wish Onkyo had more info available on the 4K upscaling capability of the receiver unit, like they do for the dedicated AVRs. So far I've been impressed with the audio output from the soundbar/sub-woofer - it's been perfect for our 18x20 family room. I can understand that many wouldn't have been impressed with the sound relative to the price when the unit was first released in 2017, but at current prices it is great.
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I've had a the SBT-A500 for a couple of weeks now and wanted to give my impressions. I was looking for a sound bar as we bought a new Sony 4K HDR TV, and the TV's audio was pretty poor compared to our previous Sharp Aquos TV. I originally purchased the Sony HT-ST5000 from BB, but returned it after I found they sold me an open box item as new. I did some further research into soundbars and focused on the Onkyo SBT-A500 and the Nakamichi Shockwafe systems. I initially leaned toward the Nakamichi system with the rear satellites and dual sub-woofers, but the more we discussed it the more I didn't like the thought of speaker stands in our family room with an active 9-year old boy running around. I shifted to the Onkyo system, and the more I looked into it the more I liked it. The reviews weren't great, but most were early purchasers who seemed to complain about the price of the system. The price has dropped significantly since the system was introduced last year, and I've had a pretty good experience with my Onkyo TX-NR717 AVR in our basement TV room, so I decided to give the Onkyo a shot and I'm glad I did.

As most know, the system has three pieces: soundbar, sub-woofer, and a "receiver" unit that actually houses all of the connections, which enables the soundbar itself to be very low profile. Setup was very simple: I connected our cable set-top box/DVR and the Xbox One X to the receiver unit via HDMI, then ran one HDMI cable from the receiver to the ARC-enabled HDMI input on the TV. The only issue I've encountered is that the receiver unit will not connect to our wifi network on the 5Ghz band, but it will connect on the 2.4 Ghz band. I also wish Onkyo had more info available on the 4K upscaling capability of the receiver unit, like they do for the dedicated AVRs. So far I've been impressed with the audio output from the soundbar/sub-woofer - it's been perfect for our 18x20 family room. I can understand that many wouldn't have been impressed with the sound relative to the price when the unit was first released in 2017, but at current prices it is great.
Thanks for your review DWBoston. As the price dropped to $299 today on Amazon (lowest I've ever seen), I pulled the trigger. Hopefully will be a good partner for my LG OLED65B7A
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Thanks for your review DWBoston. As the price dropped to $299 today on Amazon (lowest I've ever seen), I pulled the trigger. Hopefully will be a good partner for my LG OLED65B7A

Have you hooked this up yet? Any thoughts on whether it's worthwhile at the price?


I see that the Onkyo SBT A500 is still $299 through Amazon and a number of other sellers, including New Egg, Rakutan, and Sears. So presumably they're closing them out based on the middling reviews. I'd be replacing a 10 year old Onkyo 7.1 system, which has served me well but doesn't support HDMI, plus I'm only using the front and middle speakers + woofer anyway given space considerations.
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Have you hooked this up yet? Any thoughts on whether it's worthwhile at the price?


I see that the Onkyo SBT A500 is still $299 through Amazon and a number of other sellers, including New Egg, Rakutan, and Sears. So presumably they're closing them out based on the middling reviews. I'd be replacing a 10 year old Onkyo 7.1 system, which has served me well but doesn't support HDMI, plus I'm only using the front and middle speakers + woofer anyway given space considerations.
It's absolutely worth it at that price. The middling reviews were mainly based on the price at launch. Sound is really good for such a compact system and the build quality is really nice.
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Does anyone know if the SBT A500 can send/receive Dolby Vision over HDMI with the current firmware? Or is it just HDR 10?
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Does anyone know if the SBT A500 can send/receive Dolby Vision over HDMI with the current firmware? Or is it just HDR 10?

Still interested in any real-world experience to the contrary, but looking at Onkyo's website the SBT A500 doesn't appear on their list of has/coming soon for Dolby Vision compatibility.
[I'm too new to post links, but if you search for "Onkyo" and "Dolby Vision" first hit should be on Onkyo's website and include a list of models with Dolby Vision]

From what I've read about Dolby Vision, it's apparently possible to add it as a software-only patch (i.e. the hardware in the SBT A500 shouldn't bar them from adding Dolby Vision later). But if this was a poor seller and is already on clearance, probably not a top priority to add features going forward.
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Just picked this system up for $299 on amazon and absolutely love it. After getting it properly calibrated to my living room, the sound this thing produces is amazing. And the amount of features it comes with for this price just can’t be beat.


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