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Is anyone else playing anything that displays as "PCM"? Whenever I play my xfinity box with stereo sound it comes through as PCM and I only get sound coming from the soundbar and the subs, not the surround speakers... Dialogue is also coming through the subs which is very strange, but no sound at all from the surrounds... This is causing an extremely heavy bass sound. Thanks


If you have the atmos upgrade, try selecting Dolby surround for the pcm source and keep surround on.


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I do this however when I turn the TV off or change sources and then come BACK to the cable input the sound is muffled and bass heavy until I toggle the "pure direct" back to Dolby surround....

It's very strange because the soundbar says it's on Dolby surround but when I toggle through "native" and "Dolby upmix" and back to "Dolby surround" Cleary the original sound coming from the bar is not Dolby surround because the surround speakers are not outputting any sound and the subs are outputting treble as well as the bass. But when toggled back to Dolby surround everything is perfect.

This happens each time I turn to the cable box input on the tv
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Ok, so I know I have asked a few questions regarding settings and am probably becoming the annoying guy in the thread...This is the first time I've really every cared about audio. Can someone take a moment to educate me on the different settings? The Nakamichi website doesn't offer an explanation of what the different settings are and the manual is no help either...

I am confused as to when i should be using "Native" or "Pure Direct" or how to enable "upmixing" So so sorry for my noobishness. I am pretty well versed in the "video" component of audio/video, but am only now caring about audio. The soundbar sounds amazing, I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of it.

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Ok, so I know I have asked a few questions regarding settings and am probably becoming the annoying guy in the thread...This is the first time I've really every cared about audio. Can someone take a moment to educate me on the different settings? The Nakamichi website doesn't offer an explanation of what the different settings are and the manual is no help either...

I am confused as to when i should be using "Native" or "Pure Direct" or how to enable "upmixing" So so sorry for my noobishness. I am pretty well versed in the "video" component of audio/video, but am only now caring about audio. The soundbar sounds amazing, I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of it.
Pure Direct = You want to listen to the content in original form. Just like how the movie soundtrack engineers wanted you to experience the audio. If the material is encoded with 5.1 channels, you may not get 7.1 channel sound.
Neural X = DTSX upmixing that will put sound into every speaker. This is the default setting.
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Pure Direct = You want to listen to the content in original form. Just like how the movie soundtrack engineers wanted you to experience the audio. If the material is encoded with 5.1 channels, you may not get 7.1 channel sound.
Neural X = DTSX upmixing that will put sound into every speaker. This is the default setting.
Ok, so I should just put it on Neural X and leave it there and forget about it?

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For the most part, yeah.

If you stream music or listen to CD's through your Nakamichi, you might want to switch to native. Most music audio is stereo (2.1), and sometimes it can sound...odd...when it gets upmixed. It also depends on the music style. Country and pop sound decent upmixed.

For regular movie and tv watching I leave it upmixed. I haven't really noticed much of a difference between native atmos and DTS:X and upmixing. 9 times out of 10, the upmix sounds better to me. Your mileage may vary.
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Dsp off or movie mode which one would be better. I know movie mode 30 on volume is good for tv and 60 for movie watching but with dsp off 40-50 volume for tv and movie watching have range from 60-82 depending on the show. This is 7.1 naka version.I listen to both but can't tell a different in sound beside volume.
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Movie mode usually enhances the soundtrack and atmospheric effects. Other times it can add some seperation between dialog and effects. I'm not exactly sure what Naka decided to do with their movie mode. Might be a good email question for them.
Edit: usually it does something to "replicate" a movie theatre experience.

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Nakamichi offers such great support - they are kind enough to send me the ATMOS demo disc - all they needed was my address.
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So I think I may have isolated and figured out the problem. I noticed that streaming netflix never has problems it was only with discs. So I put in a bluray in my xbox to try and recreate the problem. Then
put the disc in my ps4 pro to try to recreate the problem. Which I was able to do multiple times. Both system are set to dolby bitstream.
What I think is happening the bar is decoding the disc in DTS, during a pause or fast forward the bar switches to dolby. Then when going back and playing the disc the bar doesn't always go back to DTS. At least Dolby is displayed on the bar during a fast forward or pause, but then when going back and playing the disc DTS isn't always displayed and I believe the times it's not displayed is when the sound issues happen. I'm not sure why sometimes the sound is muffled out of the center channel or sometimes the sound is a buzzing.
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Nakamichi offers such great support - they are kind enough to send me the ATMOS demo disc - all they needed was my address.
Did you just request it in general, or was it part of a a trouble call?
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Did you just request it in general, or was it part of a a trouble call?
I just asked if they could send me a copy. Was not a trouble call.
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Did you just request it in general, or was it part of a a trouble call?
Then there is also this...I found this looking for more Atmos demo content. If you have a blu ray burner drive you can make actual blu ray copies. If you don't, you can skip to the last page and you'll get a link to all of the files from various Atmos/DTS/DTS:X, etc demo discs. It's a torrent and all the content total is about 250gb.

The individual files are in mkv, m2ts, ts formats. These should be playable from a USB drive on most blu ray players. Lots of 4k content too. Movie clips and what not...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-de...mos-dts-x.html
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Apple TV and.2 SSE

So the recommended settings for using Apple TV as a source suggests using the ATV setting for Change Format to Off for Dolby Atmos content (Apple TV won't pass Dolby Atmos unless you do) and Change Format ON for any other 5.1 surround content. The difference is that with Change Format On/Dolby Digital the Apple TV will send the DD bitstream directly to the soundbar, with Change Format Off Apple TV will convert 5.1 non Atmos content to LPCM 5.1 and send that to the soundbar.

Your mileage may vary but having listened to quite a bit of surround content, I actually prefer the overall sound from the LPCM 5.1 content than from the DD 5.1 stream which is convenient since I can just leave the Apple TV in Change Format Off for all content

This is with the 2019 9.2 SSE
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any news on 7.1's update....is the target still june?
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any news on 7.1's update....is the target still june?
Should still be but like the last too don't get excited till the end of june more.Got alot of atmos movies to watch but waiting on the update myself.
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So it's been a few weeks since the 7.2 owners got the Atmos update. Initially it seems as though many of the owners thought the system sounded better before the update. Is this still the case.

Also, if I remember correctly, you guys went from 3.1 to 3.2. The 7.1 systems are on 2.1 firmware. Did the 7.2 owners upgrade from the 2.1 to the 3.1? If so, do you recommend not updating the the Atmos update and staying on 2.1?

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any news on 7.1's update....is the target still june?
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Thanks for the information. Atmos update for 7.1 DTS:X will be released in the next month.
Don't worry, we'll let you know once it is released.

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So it's been a few weeks since the 7.2 owners got the Atmos update. Initially it seems as though many of the owners thought the system sounded better before the update. Is this still the case.

Also, if I remember correctly, you guys went from 3.1 to 3.2. The 7.1 systems are on 2.1 firmware. Did the 7.2 owners upgrade from the 2.1 to the 3.1? If so, do you recommend not updating the the Atmos update and staying on 2.1?
the surround effect was better for me with neural x as default processing, now if the content is encoded in dolby, you have to of course use dolby upmix or surround which doesn't sound as immersive as before. I'm giving it some more time to test and maybe they will release an update soon (weeks or months, who knows)

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So it's been a few weeks since the 7.2 owners got the Atmos update. Initially it seems as though many of the owners thought the system sounded better before the update. Is this still the case.

Also, if I remember correctly, you guys went from 3.1 to 3.2. The 7.1 systems are on 2.1 firmware. Did the 7.2 owners upgrade from the 2.1 to the 3.1? If so, do you recommend not updating the the Atmos update and staying on 2.1?
2.1 to 3.1.
It really depends on what you have. With Xfinity, it supports dolby surround, and cable sounds better after the update. Bluray/4k Atmos doesn't, but I just set my Xbox One X to output DTS, so they sound like they did before the update.

So for me, the update was an overall improvement.
Dolby surround sounds better.
Dolby Atmos isn't as good as DTS NEURAL X, in my opinon. With my setup, I can enjoy the improvements, and ignore the things I don't consider an improvement.
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Hi, does anyone have an idea as to how can the Dolby atmos demo videos available online be played through Xbox one s. Any trick? Currently the Xbox do not support the encoded formats other than the blue ray app.


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How are these systems with music? It seems some people feel like that's where they are lacking?


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We stream music via Pandora on our 7.2 and I like the sound quality.
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Question regarding audio delay. I have my directv receiver hooked up to the tv per the Naka instructions and the sound bar is connected to the tv via ARC. Everything connected to the soundbar seems to have audio in sync. The directv receiver though has a slight delay. The video is earlier than the audio. I have a Sony z9d if anyone is familiar with Sony televisions. I am thinking it has something to do with the box connecting to the tv and am not sure if I can fix it. I ditched my vizio SB for the exact same reason but it only had 1 HDMI port. So I imagine if I connected the Directv box directly to the soundbar it would eliminate it, but I don't have any free HDMI ports left on the sound bar.

Could there be something obvious I am missing? Would there be any benefit to turning Dolby Digital off on the directv box?

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Question: Is it worth returning my Samsung N950 Atmos bar, sick of the audio drops, for the new Nakamichi 9.2 SSE system? I have my Xbox One X running through it for 4k and Atmos. Or should I just save up for a nice 5.2.1 system? Thanks
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Question: Is it worth returning my Samsung N950 Atmos bar, sick of the audio drops, for the new Nakamichi 9.2 SSE system? I have my Xbox One X running through it for 4k and Atmos. Or should I just save up for a nice 5.2.1 system? Thanks
I don't know about the Samsung bar, but I have the 7.1 Naka bar and it's incredible. I imagine the 9.2 would be really freaking awesome. I think you actually get 1 extra HDMI port on the 9.2 also. Plus 2 subs and 2 additional surround speakers. If you don't like the Sammy bar, I would say go for it. Sometimes Nakamichi sells manufacturer refurbished 9.2 setup for like $750. They give 1 year warranty. I bought my 7.1 refurbed and it was actually defective. They sent a brand new one out to replace it and it arrived in about 1 day. Great customer service.

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Question regarding audio delay. I have my directv receiver hooked up to the tv per the Naka instructions and the sound bar is connected to the tv via ARC. Everything connected to the soundbar seems to have audio in sync. The directv receiver though has a slight delay. The video is earlier than the audio. I have a Sony z9d if anyone is familiar with Sony televisions. I am thinking it has something to do with the box connecting to the tv and am not sure if I can fix it. I ditched my vizio SB for the exact same reason but it only had 1 HDMI port. So I imagine if I connected the Directv box directly to the soundbar it would eliminate it, but I don't have any free HDMI ports left on the sound bar.



Could there be something obvious I am missing? Would there be any benefit to turning Dolby Digital off on the directv box?


I think it's just an issue with arc unfortunately, hooking to the bar would almost certainly eliminate it but if your out of ports then the other option maybe just stereo sound for direct TV


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Question: Is it worth returning my Samsung N950 Atmos bar, sick of the audio drops, for the new Nakamichi 9.2 SSE system? I have my Xbox One X running through it for 4k and Atmos. Or should I just save up for a nice 5.2.1 system? Thanks
I'd try for a refurbished 9.2 DTS:X system instead. You would save $500+ and basically wind up with the same system as the SSE.

But yes, absolutely, the 9.2 blows away the Samsung.
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Question: Is it worth returning my Samsung N950 Atmos bar, sick of the audio drops, for the new Nakamichi 9.2 SSE system? I have my Xbox One X running through it for 4k and Atmos. Or should I just save up for a nice 5.2.1 system? Thanks


I went for the Samsung K950 (which is almost the exact same as the N950) to the Nak 9.2. The Nak really blows it away when it comes to surround sound and good bass. The center channel of the Samsung was very good tho, so in regards to that, it’s close. I’d still go Nak tho for a better overall package and experience. I find it a lot more immersive!


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