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Direct to Naka. ARC port goes from Naka to TV.
Then no - I haven't seen any distortion/switching problems like you have in that case. It *does* take a second or two for the bar to kick in when the stream format switches, but that's true on my Oppo UHD just as much as on the Shield. But generally speaking, Plex on the Shield (direct to the Naka) works fine for me. There may be some issues (possibly Plex/Shield specific) with DTS-HD audio specifically, but all other formats (including TrueHD/Atmos) work fine. This may be a case where better cabling and/or a thorough and careful HDMI reset could help you.

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Dolby Surround for anything dolby, Neural X for anything DTS. I had mine set to "Native" thinking that would give me the native audio track of whatever was playing, but it's actually meant for music or blutooth...feel like someone kinda dropped the ball on the naming convention there...
No... "Native" just plays the audio track without any upmixing by the bar, much as you expected it to. So 5.1 DTS audio is just 5.1 channel audio with no fancy stuff happening. Sometimes that's fine depending on the title and on individual taste. Personally, I watch plenty of old movies and strongly prefer Native mode for mono or stereo audio, leaving the rears silent. For post-2000 films I go with Dolby Surround or NeuralX. 80's/90's films with 5.1 audio (sometimes revisionist upmixes) are iffy. I usually go with DSurround/NeuralX for starters, but about 25% of the time it just doesn't sound right - typically because the dialogue sounds odd and fuzzy. In such cases, Native often sounds better.
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So if I'm looking on ebay I should be trying to get one of the 2018 refurbs correct? Was it confirmed that the 2018 bars are exactly the same as 2019 bars after the Atmos update?

Ah...my current Vizio Soundbar only has one HDMI port and that doesn't passthrough 4K so I connect all of my devices to my TV.
The 2019s have an improved remote (better IR signal), and I think they use different (better?) capacitors. Other than that, there’s no difference after you update the firmware.

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So if I'm looking on ebay I should be trying to get one of the 2018 refurbs correct? Was it confirmed that the 2018 bars are exactly the same as 2019 bars after the Atmos update?



Ah...my current Vizio Soundbar only has one HDMI port and that doesn't passthrough 4K so I connect all of my devices to my TV.
That's the reason I got the Naka....no other soundbar has 4 HDMI inputs, and they all pass through 4K including HDR and DV. I'm sure you've read through this thread and some of the post-firmware updates issues people have had, but I can honestly say my 7.1 Pro hasn't had any issues post-firmware update at all. I followed the instructions (soundbar reset, HDMI resets) to the letter and everything works like a charm. The sound, especially with modern films with 5.1 or better soundtracks, is superb.

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Hey Joshua. I'm interested in possibly upgrading to the 7.1 Pro. Do you happen to use ARC with the Naka? One of the issues I was experiencing with the Vizio was audio lag over ARC when connecting it to my LG B7 and TCL P-Series. Totally messed up lip sync on HDMI devices.


Any other general comparisons you might be able to make. I know you mentioned the dialogue clarity which is also sometimes an issue I have with the Vizio but I figured that might be an issue with the content's audio mixing and not necessarily something that would get fixed. Thank you.
I had the same issue with the vizio sound bar and like yours, it only had 1 HDMI port. With the Naka I do not have any audio delay with the devices that are connected to the Naka. Since the Naka processes both the picture and audio they are in sync.

Now the devices connected to my tv and then sent to the Naka over ARC is another story. Since the tv is processing the picture and sound and then sending the sound out to the naka there is a slight delay, UNLESS I put the audio format to PCM. With audio set to PCM it's a straight passthrough and the tv isn't doing any extra sound processing (or directv box) and there's no delay.

If i use internal apps on my tv and have the tv set to auto for audio i get a slight delay. If I set the tv output to PCM it's perfect. Same with the directv box.

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No... "Native" just plays the audio track without any upmixing by the bar, much as you expected it to. So 5.1 DTS audio is just 5.1 channel audio with no fancy stuff happening. Sometimes that's fine depending on the title and on individual taste. Personally, I watch plenty of old movies and strongly prefer Native mode for mono or stereo audio, leaving the rears silent. For post-2000 films I go with Dolby Surround or NeuralX. 80's/90's films with 5.1 audio (sometimes revisionist upmixes) are iffy. I usually go with DSurround/NeuralX for starters, but about 25% of the time it just doesn't sound right - typically because the dialogue sounds odd and fuzzy. In such cases, Native often sounds better.[/QUOTE]

That is what I assumed too...However, according to Nakamichi's website or manual (I can't remember where I read it at the moment) "Native" is supposed to be used for music or bluetooth...If I leave the Pure Direct setting on Native and try to watch directv the volume is inconsistent, voices are hollow and soft, music is loud and overpowering. Using Dolby Surround sounds the way you would expect.

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Hey, Naka community.

Now that many of us have had the bar for a while, what are some of your favorite settings?

- SSE
- DSP
- Pure Direct etc.?


- Technically, my bedroom would be "small" - so I tried setting room size to Small and SSE to 1 - but the height effects were diminished. Setting these to Medium/2 seems to work better
- I started with DSP turned off, but lately, like both Movie and Clear Voice. I know audio purists probably would sneer at this
- I have pretty much stuck with Pure Direct = "Dolby Surround" from day 1 and have not explored Native or Dolby Upmix much
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So..... Where and when to buy for the best deal?
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However, according to Nakamichi's website or manual (I can't remember where I read it at the moment) "Native" is supposed to be used for music or bluetooth...
I think you're confusing Native with Stereo. From p.29 of the manual, Native = "Direct decode 2.1/5.1/7.1 channel audio (No audio upmixing)". It's just a straight decode with no processing going on.

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Now that many of us have had the bar for a while, what are some of your favorite settings?

- SSE
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Some not-very-rigorous experimentation led me to Size=Medium/SSE=1 for my 65" screen at a 10' viewing distance in a 12'x15' room (open on one side). SSE=2 makes the height effects a touch too dramatic IMO, but I'd probably go that way in the same space if I had a 75"+ screen. I generally leave DSP Off, but Movie seems like it can be useful for older 5.1 audio that's never been properly remastered with modern tech. As I noted a few posts up, I use Dolby Surround for post-2000 films and Native for pre-Surround films. For 80's/90's surround films, I usually use Dolby Surround too, but occasionally Native sounds better depending on the mix. I haven't found any particular value to Dolby Upmix mode.
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So..... Where and when to buy for the best deal?
Looks like most posting in this thread are buying refurbs off ebay of the 2018 bar from the Nakamichi store on Ebay? If you want to buy new probably want for BlackFriday. Last year they discounted new stock.
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Subwoofer popping/crackling

Hi all,
Have the Shockwafe 7.2 and lately I am hearing popping/crackling noises from the subwoofers. I checked Nakamichi's site and looked at the FAQ. It cannot be router interference due to I have the 5ghz turned off completely. All my HDMI cables are brand new and the ones that Nakamichi recommended. I have the latest firmware 33 on it. Any ideas on how to get the subs from doing this?

It's weird because I can play the movie 30 Days of Nights on my PC and I get no popping. But playing it through Plex on my Nvidia Shield I hear the popping. Any thoughts?

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Have the Shockwafe 7.2 and lately I am hearing popping/crackling noises from the subwoofers. I checked Nakamichi's site and looked at the FAQ. It cannot be router interference due to I have the 5ghz turned off completely. All my HDMI cables are brand new and the ones that Nakamichi recommended. I have the latest firmware 33 on it. Any ideas on how to get the subs from doing this?
Any other wifi devices nearby? I haven't tested it thoroughly, but I suspect my Pixel 3a phone creates sporadic interference with my Naka's subs. I was getting occasional dropouts and crackles over the summer shortly after I got the phone, not just with the current model but also with the older 7.1 model Naka I owned before. Started turning off wifi and bluetooth when I sat down to watch a movie and the problem hasn't reoccurred in months. Like I said, I haven't tested thoroughly (it was a rare issue to begin with), but I wouldn't be surprised if the phone was scanning for wifi networks and messing with the bluetooth connection.
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Hi, I'm picking up the 9.2 tomorrow. Would like to thank the users and this thread helping me in making an informed decision !!

I have a Samsung Q6F TV and Samsung native netflix app dont support Atmos yet hence two requirements i have :

1) Play Dolby Dolby ATMOS from Netflix

2) Play the downloaded movies with ATOMS from my External hard drive

For the Netflix I was thinking of purchasing Apple 4KTV but for my own content on hard disk how do I play this (Nvidia), does this mean i will have to buy two medial playes :-( ?

Please advise
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Shield works for atmos rips. I do it all the time

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Thanks So i will pick up shield but for Netflix Atmos will i need apple 4K ? Coz as per nakamichi website only apple tv 4k does atmos from netflix , attached pic from Nakamichi website https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...631100&thumb=1
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Thanks So i will pick up shield but for Netflix Atmos will i need apple 4K ? Coz as per nakamichi website only apple tv 4k does atmos from netflix , attached pic from Nakamichi website https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...631100&thumb=1
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You mean a new shield box ? or an software update to the existing

I can hold on for purchasing if the new box is round the corner
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You mean a new shield box ? or an software update to the existing



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I think you're confusing Native with Stereo. From p.29 of the manual, Native = "Direct decode 2.1/5.1/7.1 channel audio (No audio upmixing)". It's just a straight decode with no processing going on.





Some not-very-rigorous experimentation led me to Size=Medium/SSE=1 for my 65" screen at a 10' viewing distance in a 12'x15' room (open on one side). SSE=2 makes the height effects a touch too dramatic IMO, but I'd probably go that way in the same space if I had a 75"+ screen. I generally leave DSP Off, but Movie seems like it can be useful for older 5.1 audio that's never been properly remastered with modern tech. As I noted a few posts up, I use Dolby Surround for post-2000 films and Native for pre-Surround films. For 80's/90's surround films, I usually use Dolby Surround too, but occasionally Native sounds better depending on the mix. I haven't found any particular value to Dolby Upmix mode.
Which is the wife friendly audio setting?

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Does anyone use their Nakamichi soundbar with an Nvidia Shield and use the Plex app alot? Most of the time anytime I start playing any media (regardless of the audio codec as I've tried DTS, DD5.1, Atmos, EAC3, AAC, etc.), I get terrible noise/audio stuttering/distorted audio. I have to exit back to the menu, often put the audio on mute, then start the media again and unmute it to get the audio to be correct. I think it's the switching between the Menu audio (PCM) and the file audio that is causing the issue.

I can't seem to fix it and Nakamichi support doesn't seem to be of any help. Their suggestion is change out my HDMI cables and confirm all my setting are correct on the Shield. I've done both those things to no avail.
I wrote about this too. I keep hearing like a popping/crackling noise using the same set up such as yourself. My settings are correct too and I have all brand new HDMI cords that were even recommended from Nakamichi.
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Some not-very-rigorous experimentation led me to Size=Medium/SSE=1 for my 65" screen at a 10' viewing distance in a 12'x15' room (open on one side). SSE=2 makes the height effects a touch too dramatic IMO, but I'd probably go that way in the same space if I had a 75"+ screen. I generally leave DSP Off, but Movie seems like it can be useful for older 5.1 audio that's never been properly remastered with modern tech. As I noted a few posts up, I use Dolby Surround for post-2000 films and Native for pre-Surround films. For 80's/90's surround films, I usually use Dolby Surround too, but occasionally Native sounds better depending on the mix. I haven't found any particular value to Dolby Upmix mode.
Thanks! I am going to give SSE=1 a try again! My bedroom size and TV all match yours!

I gotta try Native too! One area where I've been using DSP = Clear Voice a lot is for morning TV news. When my GF is still sleeping, I am up and about doing chores and getting ready while the TV is on. At DSP=off, I need my volume to be around 22 to get a clear voice. But that means, when the ads are on, everything gets louder. With Clear Voice, even at a volume of 18, I can hear the news very clearly!!
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I wrote about this too. I keep hearing like a popping/crackling noise using the same set up such as yourself. My settings are correct too and I have all brand new HDMI cords that were even recommended from Nakamichi.
I have a Shield but I admit I do not use it much as I prefer Infuse on Apple TV 4k. I do use Shield when I need DTS or Atmos passthrough for Plex, which ATV does not support.

I have not had issues with my Nakamichi and Plex (on Shield) for PCM or Dolby or when switching between the two. The issue comes when switching from anything to DTS or vice versa. Some of my DTS content does not even play on Nakamichi, in which case I just switch back to ATV and Infuse.
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Two things I would love if Shield did:

- Netflix Atmos - I hope this will be available to existing customers via firmware upgrade too?

- Match frame and content - Shield upscales everything to 4K and does not do a good job all the time. Pic, HDR, 4K or 1080p - all seem to look waaay better with ATV on both my 4K and 8K TVs
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Hi, I'm picking up the 9.2 tomorrow. Would like to thank the users and this thread helping me in making an informed decision !!

I have a Samsung Q6F TV and Samsung native netflix app dont support Atmos yet hence two requirements i have :

1) Play Dolby Dolby ATMOS from Netflix

2) Play the downloaded movies with ATOMS from my External hard drive

For the Netflix I was thinking of purchasing Apple 4KTV but for my own content on hard disk how do I play this (Nvidia), does this mean i will have to buy two medial playes :-( ?

Please advise
As I wrote earlier:

- For streamed content, I prefer ATV for two reasons. One, the picture and color look waaaay better on my ATV 4K - for 1080p, 4K and HDR. Shield looks washed out. I don't know if this is because it is not matching content like ATV but always upscaling video to 4K. Their upscaling seems sucky at times, and they probably should just let the TV do the upscaling.
Netflix and Atmos was another reason - but now based on what I am reading, that probably is not an issue.

- Infuse on ATV is way more polished than Plex on Shield. Essentially, it plugs into a plex server but I have NEVER come across anything that Infuse failed to render properly or went into buffering. However, it does not do a passthrough for DTS:X, Atmos etc., because ATV does not let Infuse do that. For such content, I use Shield and Plex.
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Two things I would love if Shield did:



- Netflix Atmos - I hope this will be available to existing customers via firmware upgrade too?



- Match frame and content - Shield upscales everything to 4K and does not do a good job all the time. Pic, HDR, 4K or 1080p - all seem to look waaay better with ATV on both my 4K and 8K TVs
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Do they allow us to disable or match content?

Edit: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...ter-new-remote

Based on this, it seems that their upscaling is "different" in the new box? The big new feature seems to be support for Dolby Vision.
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The old Shield did upscaling too. The claim is that new Shield does upscaling better. I can't say I had big problems with the old one myself.
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As I wrote earlier:

- For streamed content, I prefer ATV for two reasons. One, the picture and color look waaaay better on my ATV 4K - for 1080p, 4K and HDR. Shield looks washed out. I don't know if this is because it is not matching content like ATV but always upscaling video to 4K. Their upscaling seems sucky at times, and they probably should just let the TV do the upscaling.
Netflix and Atmos was another reason - but now based on what I am reading, that probably is not an issue.

- Infuse on ATV is way more polished than Plex on Shield. Essentially, it plugs into a plex server but I have NEVER come across anything that Infuse failed to render properly or went into buffering. However, it does not do a passthrough for DTS:X, Atmos etc., because ATV does not let Infuse do that. For such content, I use Shield and Plex.
Thank you Morphx2 & In The Bay for your quick responses ... it helps me make an informed decision yet again..

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Besides the loosing the 2nd sub (which I do not need in my small bonus room), is the Nakamichi 7.1.4 system still a viable option, and equivalent to the 7.2.4?

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Room 2 Sony X900F 65" TV  || Sony HT-X9000F sound bar
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