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wified 01-11-2018 05:14 PM

Sennheiser Ambeo Soundbar?
 
Did anyone get to listen to this soundbar at CES? I'm REALLY interested in a comparison between this and the Creative X-Fi. With the X-Fi being on sale at 50% off right now, tempted to pull the trigger.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/11/...o-3d-soundbar/

https://www.theverge.com/ces/2018/1/9/16870096/sennheiser-soundbar-ambeo-announced-ces-2018/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...d-dolby-atmos/

4klover 01-11-2018 06:54 PM

they said it will cost around 2k in october

blackbr 01-12-2018 04:42 AM

Why oh why won’t more manufacturers give us the option to wirelessly connect surround speakers. The Sony was originally supposed to but they took that away.

roguedog 01-12-2018 08:02 AM

huh.. so this looks like an all-in-one and no sub. huh.. it doesn't sound like from the reviews that the lack of one is obvious. interesting to watch but a bit skeptical.. though if anyone can do it, i believe sennheisser can given their audio history.

if anyone listened to this would love to here how it compares to the samsun k950 or even the creative x-fi. definitely on the watch list

[email protected] 01-12-2018 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by roguedog (Post 55483346)
huh.. so this looks like an all-in-one and no sub. huh.. it doesn't sound like from the reviews that the lack of one is obvious. interesting to watch but a bit skeptical.. though if anyone can do it, i believe sennheisser can given their audio history.

if anyone listened to this would love to here how it compares to the samsun k950 or even the creative x-fi. definitely on the watch list

It looks like it has a Sub output. This from Digitaltrends review.

"When it comes to features, the bar is loaded up, and includes a trio of HDMI inputs expected to support 4K/60 fps video pass-through, alongside Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, as well as digital optical and analog RCA inputs. It also offers a subwoofer output, though Sennheiser says it faithfully gets down to a burly 30Hz one its own, and we were quite satisfied if not entirely overwhelmed by the bass response. In other words, if you have to have some massive rumble, you’ll want to add a sub, but the sound won’t feel naked without it."

ride525 01-12-2018 03:40 PM

From Tom's Guide CES Awards

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Best Soundbar: Sennheiser Ambeo 3D Soundbar
Sennheiser has always been known for its headphones. But now, the company is throwing its hat into the soundbar arena, with impressive results. Currently just a concept, the Sennheiser Ambeo 3D Soundbar packs 13 speakers made up of five tweeters, six subwoofers and a pair of top-mounted speakers onto a relatively thin frame to deliver immersive audio. It does so by bouncing the sound off walls, and fine-tuning it for an optimal 3D listening experience. It's an ambitious product, but Sennheiser has the audio pedigree to make it work. —

wified 01-13-2018 03:20 PM

Neumann drivers?
 
I don't know much about Neumann speakers, but is this worth waiting for simply because it will have such high end drivers? Now that a couple of reviews of the Creative X-Fi have said that the mid-range was lacking, it seems like this soundbar won't suffer that problem. And then reading the reviews that are linked above, hearing that the demo compared both a true surround system from Neumann with this soundbar, and the sound was remarkably close, is this something that I really should (or must) wait for before buying? The Creative 1/2 off is enticing, but this soundbar just sounds much better with the Neumann drivers. Would appreciate any helpful feedback.

[email protected] 01-13-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wified (Post 55491770)
I don't know much about Neumann speakers, but is this worth waiting for simply because it will have such high end drivers? Now that a couple of reviews of the Creative X-Fi have said that the mid-range was lacking, it seems like this soundbar won't suffer that problem. And then reading the reviews that are linked above, hearing that the demo compared both a true surround system from Neumann with this soundbar, and the sound was remarkably close, is this something that I really should (or must) wait for before buying? The Creative 1/2 off is enticing, but this soundbar just sounds much better with the Neumann drivers. Would appreciate any helpful feedback.

I find this to be a very enticing product in the soundbar sector. I remember a valued and informative member here at AVS Forums saying you need at least 4" driving speakers for a soundbar to be a legit alternative to speaker systems.
I would probably add a sub to this system to make it a complete sound system if I do purchase one.
I'm keeping a close eye on this one too.

Ellebob 01-13-2018 05:32 PM

It depends on your priority, sound quality or surround/atmos effect. I think this sound bar is going to compete with some of the better sounding sound bars at the moment like the Paradigm Soundscape, Martin Logan Vision X, B&W Panorama 2, etc. Having a few current HDMI inputs will definitely be to its advantage especially if using a Blu-ray player.

ride525 01-13-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellebob (Post 55492420)
It depends on your priority, sound quality or surround/atmos effect. I think this sound bar is going to compete with some of the better sounding sound bars at the moment like the Paradigm Soundscape, Martin Logan Vision X, B&W Panorama 2, etc. Having a few current HDMI inputs will definitely be to its advantage especially if using a Blu-ray player.

Ok, for those that know the Sennheiser brand more than I, what kind of price would you expect for this Sennheiser soundbar?

Thanks

[email protected] 01-13-2018 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ride525 (Post 55492450)
Ok, for those that know the Sennheiser brand more than I, what kind of price would you expect for this Sennheiser soundbar?

Thanks

If you look near the top of this thread , someone mentions around the 2k range. Not confirmed of course.

denslayer 01-13-2018 05:58 PM

Dear soundbar makers.. I want a soundbar with surrounds a sub . With DTSX, Atmos, DTSHD , bluetooth, networking , headphone out . With reference volume and full spectrum audio. Someday It'll happen

Ellebob 01-13-2018 05:59 PM

I don't know if this uses the same drivers that are in their studio monitor that has a 4" driver and tweeter. That monitor goes for $500 each, so $2k might not be out of line if a similar quality. I do think $2k is a little pricey but not much more than the other sound bars I mentioned.

[email protected] 01-14-2018 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellebob (Post 55492536)
I don't know if this uses the same drivers that are in their studio monitor that has a 4" driver and tweeter. That monitor goes for $500 each, so $2k might not be out of line if a similar quality. I do think $2k is a little pricey but not much more than the other sound bars I mentioned.

I am in the market for a soundbar this year & $2k US would be my upper limit. I'm going to wait and see what these new soundbars are equipped with but the ones you mentioned earlier will all be in the running.

taichi4 01-14-2018 06:56 PM

This really piques my interest, along with the Nakamichi. The 4 inch drivers is great news, and Sennheiser knows their business,

This soundbar managed to impress listeners by dint of its audio qualities, with no great marketing hoopla.

With the bass emanaiting fron the soundbar itself you should have more coherent sound.

4 inch drivers!

wified 01-15-2018 04:36 AM

Another review and estimated price
 

taichi4 01-15-2018 08:55 AM

I found, but didn't save, a few other articles, with one quoting a Sennheiser rep as saying 'somewhat above $1800.'

Alexious 01-15-2018 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellebob (Post 55492536)
I don't know if this uses the same drivers that are in their studio monitor that has a 4" driver and tweeter. That monitor goes for $500 each, so $2k might not be out of line if a similar quality. I do think $2k is a little pricey but not much more than the other sound bars I mentioned.

How do you think this would be with games, particularly with regards to surround/3D audio?

Ellebob 01-15-2018 03:02 PM

Going by the design it should be pretty good for a sound bar. It has speakers to the side and aiming to the ceiling, if it has good algorithms it should do a decent job.

New24K 01-15-2018 07:45 PM

Following ...

SanDiegoGuy 01-18-2018 05:35 PM

When will the Ambeo be released?

taichi4 01-18-2018 07:02 PM

Should be the end of 2018.
I think this is one of the sleepers of CES, and the review that I read of the CES Demo was pretty great...better than another poster on another thread stated.

That poster stated that it was 80% effective in reproducing a fully enveloping sound-field, but that is not what the reviewer stated.

The Ambeo was compared by Sennheiser to its own vastly more expensive discrete speaker arrangement, utilizing larger Neuman drivers...larger than the 4 inch Neumans used in the Ambeo.

The reviewer said he heard effects from all over the room, including overhead from the Ambeo. When comparing it to the much more expensive Nueman separates the reviewer said the Ambeo wan 80% as effective and detailed (paraphrasing here) as the Sennheiser separates. This is quite a different thing, and people should not think they are not getting an immersion effect with the Ambeo. And with 4 inch drivers this soundbar should overcome one of the weak points of most soundbars...inadequate midrange, one of the most important parts of the audio spectrum.

I'm interested in this and the Nakamichi,, and am curious about the new 5.1.4 Samsung.

New24K 01-18-2018 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by taichi4 (Post 55525928)
I'm interested in this and the Nakamichi,, and am curious about the new 5.1.4 Samsung.

Those have 2.5" drivers...

taichi4 01-18-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by New24K (Post 55525966)
Those have 2.5" drivers...

I know. The drivers in the side/rears are larger than those in the soundbar itself. The strong suit of that soundbar is the multiple discrete speakers, which exceeds other soundbars.

No soundbar that we're discussing has 4 inch drivers other than the Sennhesiser. So, yes, that gives the Sennheiser its "edge."

The Samsung has less discrete speakers, but has what appears to be a lot of interesting tech, including its sound processing.

Every soundbar has its pros and cons, and deciding which to get should ultimately hinge on which sounds good to your ears.

SanDiegoGuy 01-19-2018 07:18 AM

I do not think I can wait until the end of 2018 for the Ambeo soundbar. I will have to settle with the Creative X-Fi Sonic Carrier and order it with the CES coupon code at the end of this month.

Chucka 02-12-2018 03:01 PM

This is the first Soundbar that has gotten my attention due to my knowledge of Sennheiser and Neumann speakers as well as its input capabilities. I am just hoping it will be out before I have to make a decision as it sounds like a problem solver for me.

taichi4 02-12-2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chucka (Post 55680586)
This is the first Soundbar that has gotten my attention due to my knowledge of Sennheiser and Neumann speakers as well as its input capabilities. I am just hoping it will be out before I have to make a decision as it sounds like a problem solver for me.

Yeah, this is an interesting piece of equipment. It only has two up firing drivers, yet Sennheiser says it produces the equivalents of 5.1.4… Not 5.1.2.

Ambeo is a name not just for the Soundbar, but also their headphones and other equipment. if I understand correctly, it really represents another object oriented system like Atmos or DTS X, that also strives to place sounds anywhere in the room. Additionally it presumably can accept Atmos and DTS X, and output it as Ambeo.

And you're right, that those large Neumann drivers look to be something special. A true one-piece Soundbar that performs like something more.

Chucka 03-22-2018 12:30 PM

Any updates or sightings of this Soundbar at trade shows?

taichi4 03-23-2018 09:15 AM

All's quiet on the Western front as far as industry reviews or further demos of the Ambeo, but here's a really peculiar youtube of what purports to be a demo of the ambeo. It reminds me of the alien autopsy video, as in "what's going on here?"

Is' it a blowy day in the Netherlands (or somewhere), and is what we're hearing an audio track of rain, matched to a blowy, drizzly day? It's actually a little annoying in it's lack of explanation, and of course hearing whatever it is on your PC speakers means.....nothing.

But here it is, so you can having something possibly Ambeo to chew on.


JollyGood 04-26-2018 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by taichi4 (Post 55906980)
All's quiet on the Western front as far as industry reviews or further demos of the Ambeo, but here's a really peculiar youtube of what purports to be a demo of the ambeo. It reminds me of the alien autopsy video, as in "what's going on here?"

Is' it a blowy day in the Netherlands (or somewhere), and is what we're hearing an audio track of rain, matched to a blowy, drizzly day? It's actually a little annoying in it's lack of explanation, and of course hearing whatever it is on your PC speakers means.....nothing.

But here it is, so you can having something possibly Ambeo to chew on.


Ha! Sennheiser makes many products under the Ambeo name... including a microphone. It's probably a demo of that.


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