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Seems that Samsungs promo video i posted from NY is trying to toute how you only will need one cable, so lets hold tight until saying Dolby Vision isnt happening. We can hope cant we.
I asked Mark on his youtube channel to update this thread once he does some testing on the N950. He said he will be getting a demo to test.
Which Youtube channel is this?
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Seems that Samsungs promo video i posted from NY is trying to toute how you only will need one cable, so lets hold tight until saying Dolby Vision isnt happening. We can hope cant we.
I asked Mark on his youtube channel to update this thread once he does some testing on the N950. He said he will be getting a demo to test.
They also promoted the k series as one cable .
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The video posted above from AVS HERE
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Samsung doesn't license for Dolby Vision in any of their products; they are firmly in the HDR10+ camp
so no chance that any of their 2018 hardware will support Dolby Vision

eARC won't be available until HDMI 2.1 is available in components, which won't be until at least 2019, as the hdmi 2.1 spec was finalized late last year
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Samsung doesn't license for Dolby Vision in any of their products; they are firmly in the HDR10+ camp
so no chance that any of their 2018 hardware will support Dolby Vision

eARC won't be available until HDMI 2.1 is available in components, which won't be until at least 2019, as the hdmi 2.1 spec was finalized late last year
Your very right so really the two so called major difference are the addition of dtsx and the two side speakers.

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DV Passthrough

What is the importance of DV Passthrough in the soundbar?

My OLED and Blu-Ray already support DV, why do I need it in my soundbar?
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You don't need to license DV to repeat the signal which is what the sound bar would do. If you are processing the DV signal then you need to license it, TV for instance needs to pay the licensing fee and have appropriate processing circuitry. However, the DV signal needs to be recognized to repeat it. Sometimes this can be upgraded with firmware, I am not sure if that is possible with the Samsung. Many other devices have had DV upgrades that only repeat the signal.
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What is the importance of DV Passthrough in the soundbar?

My OLED and Blu-Ray already support DV, why do I need it in my soundbar?
Because you can't get the lossless audio formats on Blu-ray via ARC or optical. So if the Sound bar passes through (technically repeats) the DV signal then you will have the best of both worlds audio and video.
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Your very right so really the two so called major difference are the addition of dtsx and the two side speakers.
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Samsung doesn't license for Dolby Vision in any of their products; they are firmly in the HDR10+ camp
so no chance that any of their 2018 hardware will support Dolby Vision

eARC won't be available until HDMI 2.1 is available in components, which won't be until at least 2019, as the hdmi 2.1 spec was finalized late last year
More info i found on the exhibit discription boards from another youtube video by another author:

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The rear surrounds look to be Atmos as well with woofers on the front and top. What did the K950 have?
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More info i found on the exhibit discription boards from another youtube video by another author:

Next Gen Wide Range Tweeter - inversed dome-type aluminum tweeter for wider sound stage -600Hz-20Khz
High Linear Excursion Tranducer - Linear excurious up to 3.6mm enhancing low frequency performance (K950: was 1.9mm)
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Size: "Matched with 55" TV "
The rear surrounds look to be Atmos as well with woofers on the front and top. What did the K950 have?
All the K950 specs are widely available on the Samsung site and the many dealers selling the unit no need to repeat them here.

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NP - The part numbers match. No change
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Neural:X

Could anybody imagine that the N950 that features DTX somehow could be equipped / upgraded with Neutral:X?
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What is the importance of DV Passthrough in the soundbar?

My OLED and Blu-Ray already support DV, why do I need it in my soundbar?
Because you can't get the lossless audio formats on Blu-ray via ARC or optical. So if the Sound bar passes through (technically repeats) the DV signal then you will have the best of both worlds audio and video.
Now this is my question...If I use Fandango/Vuze/Netflix on the B7A I should be able to use DV with the Atmos soundtracks but they wouldn’t be lossless. On the flip side if I use my Xbox One S to watch 4K discs and I use the HDMI in for the TV and the HDMI put for the soundbar, would that not be able to pass Dolby vision and lossless Atmos?
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Samsung doesn't license for Dolby Vision in any of their products; they are firmly in the HDR10+ camp
so no chance that any of their 2018 hardware will support Dolby Vision

eARC won't be available until HDMI 2.1 is available in components, which won't be until at least 2019, as the hdmi 2.1 spec was finalized late last year
the denon avt-x4400h has already been informed of getting an update for e-arc in the future
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Another item being the same as the K950 is the N950 also is going to have just 2 HDMI inputs. You would think this is another thing Samsung would have added to their latest and greatest flagship Soundbar.
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[QUOTE=3Dhereicome;55849540]Now this is my question...If I use Fandango/Vuze/Netflix on the B7A I should be able to use DV with the Atmos soundtracks but they wouldn’t be lossless. On the flip side if I use my Xbox One S to watch 4K discs and I use the HDMI in for the TV and the HDMI put for the soundbar, would that not be able to pass Dolby vision and lossless Atmos?[/QUO
If you connect your devices to the TV then you will get DV and compressed ATMOS via ARC to the sound bar if your sound bar accepts the Dolby Digital Plus format for Atmos through ARC, some don't. You will not get lossless 5.1, 7.1 or Atmos/ DTS:X via ARC. if you connect your devices to the sound bar you will get the lossless formats and if the sound bar can repeat the DV signal you will get that too. It is the best of both worlds if the Sound bar can handle DV and the lossless formats. Now if you are using streaming sources they probably are not using the lossless formats and getting compressed Atmos via ARC will be fine. Except for people that download lossless files the only real sources that use the lossless formats are Blu-ray and some video games.
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Now this is my question...If I use Fandango/Vuze/Netflix on the B7A I should be able to use DV with the Atmos soundtracks but they wouldn’t be lossless. On the flip side if I use my Xbox One S to watch 4K discs and I use the HDMI in for the TV and the HDMI put for the soundbar, would that not be able to pass Dolby vision and lossless Atmos?[/QUO
If you connect your devices to the TV then you will get DV and compressed ATMOS via ARC to the sound bar if your sound bar accepts the Dolby Digital Plus format for Atmos through ARC, some don't. You will not get lossless 5.1, 7.1 or Atmos/ DTS:X via ARC. if you connect your devices to the sound bar you will get the lossless formats and if the sound bar can repeat the DV signal you will get that too. It is the best of both worlds if the Sound bar can handle DV and the lossless formats. Now if you are using streaming sources they probably are not using the lossless formats and getting compressed Atmos via ARC will be fine. Except for people that download lossless files the only real sources that use the lossless formats are Blu-ray and some video games.
���� why is this all so confusing? Lol. I think I understand but I wanted to clarify a bit.

I’m planning on plugging my devices (Xbox One S and my PS4 to the soundbar.) so technically the PS4 would send all video and audio through the bar. But, the PS4 only does HDR and fake 4K so sending it through the bar to the TV isn’t a problem. The Xbox One S only does HDR as well (just thought about this) so I suppose sending the audio through the bar that way doesn’t hurt either. Now as far as the interior LG apps that do support Dolby Vision/Atmos...the video won’t be affected and the ARC feature will be used to send the audio from the TV to the bar but it will be compressed.

I guess I’m answering my own questions now. Sounds like I’m fine with any of these bars (Samsung, Sony or LG) actually, unless I choose to buy a DV Blu-Ray player or the Xbox is updated.

Thank you!
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���� why is this all so confusing?
I wish I could answer that question

You have it correct.
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What is the importance of DV Passthrough in the soundbar?

My OLED and Blu-Ray already support DV, why do I need it in my soundbar?
If you have multiple DV sources, they can go to the soundbar, and you can have just a single HDMI cable to the display.

I have an Oppo 203 with one HDMI going to the display for DV, and the other HDMI going to the soundbar for Atmos.

So DV passthrough would be nice, but not absolutely necessary for me.

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@1:15, when he says "we added dts:x", is that confirmation the K950 will never get dts:x?
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Anyway, if they fix all the B.S of the k950, id think of possibly buying it. Smartthings integration is interesting.....
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You don't need to license DV to repeat the signal which is what the sound bar would do. If you are processing the DV signal then you need to license it, TV for instance needs to pay the licensing fee and have appropriate processing circuitry. However, the DV signal needs to be recognized to repeat it. Sometimes this can be upgraded with firmware, I am not sure if that is possible with the Samsung. Many other devices have had DV upgrades that only repeat the signal.
This is a really valuable clarification that bears repeating on all the soundbar threads. Depending on how you route your signal, the lack of a particular decoding feature on a soundbar is no great impediment if you have passthrough. With so many competing formats, maufacturers have to pick and choose what licenses they will pay for.
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I don’t think I would pay this much for a Samsung Soundbar after the lack of support and updates they have shown the k950 and 850. They should be selling at half the price to be even considered. The key with the N950 is if it adds do passthrough and earc might then be worth it
Thanks for making some very helpful points. I was on my way to buy a receiver, cable, and speakers (much to the distress of my sig other) when I finally noticed something concrete about the new Samsung being offered. After spending a week getting transferred all over Samsung's universe, I finally learned enough about the product to enter it in the running. But thanks to your comment, I began to remember some of the glitches with the earlier versions of the HW-N950. Can you clarify? Did Samsung finally fix the problems after a year of complaints from owners, i.e., they were painfully slow; OR, are the problems still evident? OR, although it took some time, Samsung eventually fixed everything, to the happiness of owners everywhere??

Obviously, I am not too anxious to buy a product which is going to cause me more aggravation. And if the soundbar won't be available until June (more speculation that I read somewhere), that means waiting another 2 - 4 months on top of that before all the reviews come in. Sigh - I cannot believe that it has been an entire year since I bought my new LG OLED TV, and I STILL cannot find what I am looking for re: sound (both Atmos & dts:x enabled) in my price range. (And ignoring the obvious - for a retail price of $5,000, one would think a TV would arrive with a relatively decent sound component.)

Enuf ranting...If you have a minute to address the previous versions of the HW-N950, it would be appreciated!
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Thanks for making some very helpful points. I was on my way to buy a receiver, cable, and speakers (much to the distress of my sig other) when I finally noticed something concrete about the new Samsung being offered. After spending a week getting transferred all over Samsung's universe, I finally learned enough about the product to enter it in the running. But thanks to your comment, I began to remember some of the glitches with the earlier versions of the HW-N950. Can you clarify? Did Samsung finally fix the problems after a year of complaints from owners, i.e., they were painfully slow; OR, are the problems still evident? OR, although it took some time, Samsung eventually fixed everything, to the happiness of owners everywhere??

Obviously, I am not too anxious to buy a product which is going to cause me more aggravation. And if the soundbar won't be available until June (more speculation that I read somewhere), that means waiting another 2 - 4 months on top of that before all the reviews come in. Sigh - I cannot believe that it has been an entire year since I bought my new LG OLED TV, and I STILL cannot find what I am looking for re: sound (both Atmos & dts:x enabled) in my price range. (And ignoring the obvious - for a retail price of $5,000, one would think a TV would arrive with a relatively decent sound component.)

Enuf ranting...If you have a minute to address the previous versions of the HW-N950, it would be appreciated!
I believe that you mean the K-950. You would be better off reading that hw-k850 K950 thread to see what progress or non progress has been made since its introduction. My personal issues are not with its performance but with its lack of features for its price.

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Will I be able to get 4:4:4 chroma with this soundbar? Its the only thing I hate about the K950 I currently own. I'm not getting full HDR...
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I think this is the sound bar for me - been waiting for a 5.1.4 system with Atmos and DTS:X and the fact that is is a 7.1.4 is a nice cherry on top. Is there anything else I should be considering?

Also, does anyone have any idea what the Alexa 3PDA feature means?

Lastly, little concerned it only has 2 HDMI ports - you think they would provide more, it's gonna have to lead to some creative wiring to get my 4 HDMI devices (at least) all hooked up properly. But I'm thinking Xbox One X in one HDMI port, the NVIDIA Shield in the Second, the PS4 Pro in the Optical-in (sadly i'll have to play God of War in 5.1 i guess) and the Switch just through Arc through the TV audio....ugh, really wish these "PRO" sound bars would have 4 HDMI ports....
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I think this is the sound bar for me - been waiting for a 5.1.4 system with Atmos and DTS:X and the fact that is is a 7.1.4 is a nice cherry on top. Is there anything else I should be considering?

Also, does anyone have any idea what the Alexa 3PDA feature means?

Lastly, little concerned it only has 2 HDMI ports - you think they would provide more, it's gonna have to lead to some creative wiring to get my 4 HDMI devices (at least) all hooked up properly. But I'm thinking Xbox One X in one HDMI port, the NVIDIA Shield in the Second, the PS4 Pro in the Optical-in (sadly i'll have to play God of War in 5.1 i guess) and the Switch just through Arc through the TV audio....ugh, really wish these "PRO" sound bars would have 4 HDMI ports....
Seems like 2HDMI ports is typical. They must assume your TV will now be your main hub and you will use the ARC HDMI port. The only thing is that for this to work like its should, they need full passthrough capabilities so its not downgrading the signals. We dont have enough info yet from the manufacturer on this bar, or in depth reviews so keep a lookout and post any info you find!
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Dolby Vision is definitely not happening. If you are a non-Samsung TV owner that cares about DV, this isn't the soundbar you're looking for.

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Dolby Vision is definitely not happening. If you are a non-Samsung TV owner that cares about DV, this isn't the soundbar you're looking for.
Although Samsung does not support dv are you sure the n950 will not have full pass through? Do you have all the specs etc? Seems like very little info has been released yet. Other than 7.1,4 and dtsx.
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