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I don't have any inside knowledge of the specs. Along with Microsoft, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, and Panasonic, Samsung is a part of something called "The HDR10+ Alliance." (I wish I were making this up.) The entire point of HDR10+ is to stop DV and its licensing fees. Adding DV capability would cost Samsung licensing $ & it would also amount to spitting in their partners' faces.

If you could enable "full passthrough" without paying the fee, perhaps Samsung would enable it. But that's not how DV works.

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I don't have any inside knowledge of the specs. Along with Microsoft, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, and Panasonic, Samsung is a part of something called "The HDR10+ Alliance." (I wish I were making this up.) The entire point of HDR10+ is to stop DV and its licensing fees. Adding DV capability would cost Samsung licensing $ & it would also amount to spitting in their partners' faces.

If you could enable "full passthrough" without paying the fee, perhaps Samsung would enable it. But that's not how DV works.
These are the sort of decisions that will hurt the industry more and more in the long run.
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Was in my local Best Buy today and asked the Sammy Rep on hand about this bar. He said it’s probably 2 weeks out minimum. Asked if I wanted to reserve it and brought it up on the computer. Price will be $1999.99 (CAD) so same price for us as the k950. Hopefully some reviews will be showing up soon as well as the firm specs.
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Well I am just hoping Best buy will let me turn in my k950 under geek squad protection because if I have to continue pairing it to wireless speakers or turn it back on I am going to loose my....
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Wow I thought I remember the k-950 being %$1699.00 at introduction. Definitely keeping my 950 for unite a bit
Don't forget 8ball was referring to Canadian $. I still see B&H's pre-order at just under $1,700 US.

I was at a BestBuy last week checking out the Sony HT5000. The guy there was estimating the end of June for the N950. So, while I like the HT5000 and all the codecs it supports, I'm going to hold off for the N950 release.

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Oh thanks on the Canadian forgot about that. I love my k950 I think waiting for the N950 would be worth it. I’m going to wait a bit as I really like mine and would like dtsx but too much $$$$ invested at this point.

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Do we know if this soundbar will support LPCM 5.1 and YUV422 pass through? The lack of those on my K950 have given me so many headaches.
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Wow I thought I remember the k-950 being %$1699.00 at introduction. Definitely keeping my 950 for unite a bit
Note that he said said $1,999 in Canadian dollars not USD. My guess is that it is still $1,699 USD
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So I currently have a Sony HT-ST5000, but I'm thinking of returning it for this Samsung N950 instead but my question is will it be as powerful as the Sony one?
Sony has 800Watts of power but I'm, curious to how the samsung one will be if I chose not to use the two little small speakers that comes with it
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So I currently have a Sony HT-ST5000, but I'm thinking of returning it for this Samsung N950 instead but my question is will it be as powerful as the Sony one?
Sony has 800Watts of power but I'm, curious to how the samsung one will be if I chose not to use the two little small speakers that comes with it
If you don't plan to use the rears that are included with N950, you're better off with the cheaper N850. N850 is N950 minus the rears. Haven't heard much news on N850 beyond the initial announcements.

In-regards to N950 vs. HT-ST5000, do you intend to use Atmos / DTS:X? The N950 may be better for Atmos / DTS:X, if the predecessor K850 / K950 is an indication. HT-ST5000 is a very good soundbar, except when it comes to Atmos / DTS:X. If you don't plan to Atmos/DTS:X, HT-5000 maybe a better option.

My opinion is based on my experience with HT-5000 and K850...
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If you don't plan to use the rears that are included with N950, you're better off with the cheaper N850. N850 is N950 minus the rears. Haven't heard much news on N850 beyond the initial announcements.

In-regards to N950 vs. HT-ST5000, do you intend to use Atmos / DTS:X? The N950 may be better for Atmos / DTS:X, if the predecessor K850 / K950 is an indication. HT-ST5000 is a very good soundbar, except when it comes to Atmos / DTS:X. If you don't plan to Atmos/DTS:X, HT-5000 maybe a better option.

My opinion is based on my experience with HT-5000 and K850...
Problem is I don't know where I'd put them and for sure I wouldn't want them on a stand or mounted on the wall.....
I really like the HT-ST5000 but if the N950 has more watts than the ST5000 from Sony then I feel like power wise it would be a downgrade.
However I understand that the experience with Atmos and no clue what DTS:X is would most likely be better with the Samsung with or without the rear speakers
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Problem is I don't know where I'd put them and for sure I wouldn't want them on a stand or mounted on the wall.....
I really like the HT-ST5000 but if the N950 has more watts than the ST5000 from Sony then I feel like power wise it would be a downgrade.
However I understand that the experience with Atmos and no clue what DTS:X is would most likely be better with the Samsung with or without the rear speakers
So far, I've not seen specs. for the watts for N950. The predecessor K950 has 500 watts. Will be very surprised if it is significantly higher than that.
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So far, I've not seen specs. for the watts for N950. The predecessor K950 has 500 watts. Will be very surprised if it is significantly higher than that.

So power wise its' most likely that the Sony will be better?

But I'm still thinking what soundbar would be best with subwoofer?

Considering that I most likely won't use the rear speakers and only the soundbar itself and the subwoofer
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So power wise its' most likely that the Sony will be better?

But I'm still thinking what soundbar would be best with subwoofer?

Considering that I most likely won't use the rear speakers and only the soundbar itself and the subwoofer
I have to say, that since you're not interested in rear speakers that the HT-ST5000 would be a good choice. I've heard it at BestBuy and it sounds darn good. In addition the ST5000 passes both UHD HDR & Dolby Vision, supports both Atmos & DTS:X and Dolby True-HD and DD+. It also supports both ARC and CEC. It "checks all of the boxes". If the ST5000 had the option for rear speakers I would be all over this

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I have to say, that since you're not interested in rear speakers that the HT-ST5000 would be a good choice. I've heard it at BestBuy and it sounds darn good. In addition the ST5000 passes both UHD HDR & Dolby Vision, supports both Atmos & DTS:X and Dolby True-HD and DD+. It also supports both ARC and CEC. It "checks all of the boxes". If the ST5000 had the option for rear speakers I would be all over this
I currently have the ST5000 bought at the price on 50% discount due to soccer worldcup deals in my country.
However it has a defect, it gets' insanely hot like you could cook an egg on it, ontop of it wont transfer sound from my TV to the soundbar so I have to return it, but debating if I should just bite the sour apple and wait for CES 2019 to see if they release a new version of the ST5000
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I have the k950 and like it enough, but have a second home with a odd shaped living room so will probably just get the n850 when it comes out vs the k850. I think the n850 is more of an upgrade over the k850 with the extra soundbar speakers as compared to the k950/n950. Maybe I'm not looking at it the right way though.
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I currently have the ST5000 bought at the price on 50% discount due to soccer worldcup deals in my country.
However it has a defect, it gets' insanely hot like you could cook an egg on it, ontop of it wont transfer sound from my TV to the soundbar so I have to return it, but debating if I should just bite the sour apple and wait for CES 2019 to see if they release a new version of the ST5000
Mine gets hot as well. I've debated buying a fan and fixing it to the back of the SB. The ST5000 has a amplifier for each speaker... so there are 7 amps in there and that produces some heat. As far as ARC goes, how much troubleshooting have you done? Do you have a Sony TV?
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Exclamation HDMI 2.0a

What i just noticed is that the Specs on BHP photo now show the following:

- 4k Video Pass Through (HDCP2.2) HDR, UHD (60 Hz) & 3D video pass-through.
- Wi-Fi/Bluetooth 4.0
- HDMI (HDMI 2.0a) 2in/1 out with ARC & CEC

Take this web sellers info with a grain of salt till we have first hand reviews from AVS, but please tell me if i am wrong - does HDMI 2.0a imply no eARC, and no Dolby Atmos Passthrough, or is that a completely different thing only based on firmware of the soundbar?
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Mine gets hot as well. I've debated buying a fan and fixing it to the back of the SB. The ST5000 has a amplifier for each speaker... so there are 7 amps in there and that produces some heat. As far as ARC goes, how much troubleshooting have you done? Do you have a Sony TV?
I do however have a LG Tv,

But I called sony regards to the heat and they told me to unplug it from power due to safety reasons and return it.

I also asked Sony + LG about the ARC, both claims everything is correct and shoots the guilt to one and another
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I don't have any inside knowledge of the specs. Along with Microsoft, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, and Panasonic, Samsung is a part of something called "The HDR10+ Alliance." (I wish I were making this up.) The entire point of HDR10+ is to stop DV and its licensing fees. Adding DV capability would cost Samsung licensing $ & it would also amount to spitting in their partners' faces.

If you could enable "full passthrough" without paying the fee, perhaps Samsung would enable it. But that's not how DV works.
I dont think you could say "never" quite yet.
Any company can have full passthrough of any codec without paying a fee. You only pay the licencing fee if you are decoding it for use. So for video if you wanted to watch a Bluray with Dolby Vision hooked up to your sound bar, then to your tv, in theory if Samsungs N950 allowed full passthrough then your tv would be able to do the decoding of DV. There is no point in a sound device to get a licence for a video product, its just needs passthrough.

These manufacturers just need to release products when they are ready instead of doing a 1 year teaser with no real info to consumers.
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What i just noticed is that the Specs on BHP photo now show the following:

- 4k Video Pass Through (HDCP2.2) HDR, UHD (60 Hz) & 3D video pass-through.
- Wi-Fi/Bluetooth 4.0
- HDMI (HDMI 2.0a) 2in/1 out with ARC & CEC

Take this web sellers info with a grain of salt till we have first hand reviews from AVS, but please tell me if i am wrong - does HDMI 2.0a imply no eARC, and no Dolby Atmos Passthrough, or is that a completely different thing only based on firmware of the soundbar?
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I'm pretty sure eARC requires HDMI 2.1.
Plus, you'll need eARC supported on both the TV and the soundbar. But, I could see the value of getting eARC on the N950 for future use.

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I'm pretty sure eARC requires HDMI 2.1.
Plus, you'll need eARC supported on both the TV and the soundbar. But, I could see the value of getting eARC on the N950 for future use.
Ok i think i would agree that eARC needs HDMI 2.1, but what about passthrough? Can you have full passthrough of Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos without HDMI 2.1?
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Ok i think i would agree that eARC needs HDMI 2.1, but what about passthrough? Can you have full passthrough of Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos without HDMI 2.1?
Technically, yes. Atmos and DV require HDMI 1.4 or better.
There's been discussion in the various forums about whether a Dolby license is required to pass-through Dolby Vision. The consensus is that you probably don't need one if you're just passing the signal on. But, since Samsung is fully in the "HDR camp", the question is, will they?
I have an LG OLED that supports both HDR & DV, so I would be thrilled if they passed DV on through like the Sony soundbars.

Meanwhile, I keep on waiting for any news of a release date. I'm beginning to wonder if the rumors of a June release are just wishful thinking.

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LG had a faux-version of eARC on their 2017/2018 OLED TV's, but the real official working eARC will be on hdmi 2.1, which might not appear until late this year or sometime in 2019. The hdmi 2.1 official spec wasn't announced until earlier this year; and it wasn't announced in ANY products at 2018 CES, so most likely won't appear in electronics until the 2019 product lines


it should be able to fully support DV/HDR10/HDR10+, and Atmos/DTS:X via eARC due to much higher speed capacity on cables and chips


as for licensing, DV licensing would be REQUIRED on the soundbar because it is repeating the signal from the source to the target. Samsung does NOT license DV, backing the open sourced HDR10+ alliance instead, so their is 0% chance that the N950 will have DV passthrough.


recent news from yesterday showed that HDR10+ from Samsung/Panasonic/Fox cleared the hurdle to allow for testing, so HDR10+ should be coming out sooner than later. So there would be a decent chance the N950 will do HDR10+ passthrough, if there is a software solution similar to how Dolby Vision became. Originally DV was hardware only, but Dolby provided it as software, as long as the processing chip was powerful enough to process Dolby Vision instructions. I don't know if HDR10+ is strictly hardware based (ie chip required) or if it is software (firmware-enabled) based

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DV licensing is not required on a device that is repeating the signal only if it is processing it. Then it has to use DV hardware or have a processor approved that is capable of handling it. However, DV recognition is required by a repeating device to repeat the signal. If the sound bar does not know what DV is, it can't repeat it. Some devices' firmware can be upgraded to allow DV, others are hardware limited and can not be upgraded. Some manufacturers have already moved onto newer models and are not going back and upgrading firmware for DV on older models even if the model is capable. Atmos can be done with HDMI 1.4 but not DV. DV did make a method to work with HDMI 1.4 but most DV requires HDCP 2.2 which didn't come out until HDMI 2.0. Same thing is true of basic 4K, it could be handled by HDMI 1.4 but there is not a lot of 4K material that doesn't uses HDCP 2.2.
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Crap... there we go again, if we want DV and Atmos we will have to buy a Vertex from HD fury.... its just bleeding money from us idiots....
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I just came across Samsung's FCC listing for the N950. It's dated June 20 of this year.
Hmmm. I'm no expert, but I would have expected this to have been filed much earlier if we're looking for a June release.

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I just came across Samsung's FCC listing for the N950. It's dated June 20 of this year.
Hmmm. I'm no expert, but I would have expected this to have been filed much earlier if we're looking for a June release.

https://fccid.io/R-RMM-SEC-HW-N950
I think that date was just for a few select Asian markets, Samsung still don't have a word on when the soundbar will come out in the Western markets.

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I have been following this eagerly and to my surprise, Electronics for Less Canada has this listed for despatch for 2nd July. Seems as if they will be in time for the 4th of July! No ETA on Europe yet. A bit Pricy at CA$2000.
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