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Hmm, so it seems that these speakers are considered the "rear surrounds" in a 7.1 and the side firing speakers on the bar are the side surrounds?

I have the SL10YG, I just attempted to watch some Dolby Digital 5.1 content through my cable box, with the bar on Standard mode, with Surround off and sometimes they are silent, sometimes they turn on, depending on the scene, not sure if your bar would be different being the previous model. This would be what you wanted yours to do, correct?
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For 5.1 tracks, the rears are only active if you have surround set to on.
This does not make any sense. 5.1 tracks have encoded rear sounds. When turning the surround setting on, it does not play the encoded rear sounds, it just generates surround based on whatever algorithm like in the old days of Dolby Pro Logic. This is very very bad.
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See the screenshot from the manual
I looked at the manual for my SL10YG, the 2019 version of the SK10Y, and with DD 5.1 it shows the rears working with surround off. Different than the screenshot you showed. Guess they added that feature in the newer model. It's quite odd they'd do it like that in the SK10Y. Hopefully a future software update could fix it and make it act the same way as the SL10YG.
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This definitely explains the behavior, however, where from you took it? Just downloaded the manual (it says 2018), and there is no such table inside.

In any case, this is *very* odd decision to mute the rears in 5.1 track.. very odd.

*Edit* Just found this page.

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This definitely explains the behavior, however, where from you took it? Just downloaded the manual (it says 2018), and there is no such table inside.

In any case, this is *very* odd decision to mute the rears in 5.1 track.. very odd.

*Edit* Just found this page.<img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
I think their logic is the left and right side speaker on the sound bar would be the side surrounds in a 5.1 and the SPK8 would be the rear surrounds in a 7.1, so they only come into play with that material. And odd decision though yeah. maybe do a post on the official LG forums, give a suggestion to do a firmware update to make it act like the SL10YG. I'm sure it is 100% software limitation, not hardware.
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I think their logic is the left and right side speaker on the sound bar would be the side surrounds in a 5.1 and the SPK8 would be the rear surrounds in a 7.1, so they only come into play with that material. And odd decision though yeah. maybe do a post on the official LG forums, give a suggestion to do a firmware update to make it act like the SL10YG. I'm sure it is 100% software limitation, not hardware.
Yes, you are right, that's exactly what they did. They could let the user decide the role of the rear speakers in 5.1 (e.g., via LG WiFi Speaker app).
I have emailed LG support about this, Let's see.

Until they do that (if they do that), I'm looking for ways to teach my Kodi to "upmix" 5.1 tracks to 7.1 by mapping the surround tracks in 5.1 to the rears tracks in 7.1...

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I think their logic is the left and right side speaker on the sound bar would be the side surrounds in a 5.1 and the SPK8 would be the rear surrounds in a 7.1, so they only come into play with that material. And odd decision though yeah. maybe do a post on the official LG forums, give a suggestion to do a firmware update to make it act like the SL10YG. I'm sure it is 100% software limitation, not hardware.
Yes, you are right, that's exactly what they did. They could let the user decide the role of the rear speakers in 5.1 (e.g., via LG WiFi Speaker app).
I have emailed LG support about this, Let's see.

Until they do that (if they do that), I'm looking for ways to teach my Kodi to "upmix" 5.1 tracks to 7.1 by mapping the surround tracks in 5.1 to the rears tracks in 7.1... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

Thanks for your support.
Well, if you were successful in that that would completely solve your problem, lol.
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Yes, you are right, that's exactly what they did. They could let the user decide the role of the rear speakers in 5.1 (e.g., via LG WiFi Speaker app).
I have emailed LG support about this, Let's see.

Until they do that (if they do that), I'm looking for ways to teach my Kodi to "upmix" 5.1 tracks to 7.1 by mapping the surround tracks in 5.1 to the rears tracks in 7.1...

Thanks for your support.
Just installed my SPK8s in addition to the SK10Y (got the SPK8 for Christmas, yaaay!) and I can confirm the same - the SK10Y's 5.1 are considered "the" 5.1 with any 5.1 content, leaving the rears completely silent. It's super annoying... I now have surround but basically the only thing I can watch in surround is Atmos content. Hope there's a fix for it soon...
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Yes, you are right, that's exactly what they did. They could let the user decide the role of the rear speakers in 5.1 (e.g., via LG WiFi Speaker app).
I have emailed LG support about this, Let's see.

Until they do that (if they do that), I'm looking for ways to teach my Kodi to "upmix" 5.1 tracks to 7.1 by mapping the surround tracks in 5.1 to the rears tracks in 7.1... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

Thanks for your support.
Just installed my SPK8s in addition to the SK10Y (got the SPK8 for Christmas, yaaay!) and I can confirm the same - the SK10Y's 5.1 are considered "the" 5.1 with any 5.1 content, leaving the rears completely silent. It's super annoying... I now have surround but basically the only thing I can watch in surround is Atmos content. Hope there's a fix for it soon...
I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
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I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
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I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
Maybe all the SK10Y owners here can harass LG to do software update fix for that, and for eARC. First one seems like an even bigger deal though.
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Maybe all the SK10Y owners here can harass LG to do software update fix for that, and for eARC. First one seems like an even bigger deal though.
Yeah and I think you can't necessarily add eARC functionality via software, as eARC comes with the HDMI 2.1 protocol that has certain chipset (~hardware) changes. I doubt LG will do anything about it though, the SK10Y is not their latest model anymore and they're really bad at software updates...

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Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
Have you tried Bass Blast instead of Movie mode? Movie mode leaks all sound to channels, but Bass Blast plays the rear channels correctly without any sound from the other channels.

When I step forward to the soundbar however, I still hear the rear channels in the front speakers, I guess that's the virtual surround sound doing it's thing.. Anyway, from the couch it really sounds like it's coming from behind now!

I only found out about this now so I can't judge how Bass Blast affects the overall sound quality, but after finding out my rear speakers didn't do their job at all I'm really happy I finally found the issue, and now a solution to it! (been struggling with this the entire weekend).

Others are saying the bass is weak (but I think it's just not exaggerated is it usually is), so I hope Bass Blast is fine anyway, otherwise I can always turn it down individually.
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So I notice something that might help a lot of people. Works best when using the app, when you select any speaker channel take for example center speaker, if you slide the volume down to -6 and then swipe back to +6 your center channel will actually sound louder and clearer then it would have been previously. It’s weird but it actually works!

Also, do you guys turn auto volume on or keep it off. I read that you get better audio when it’s off but in reality it sounds better on.


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So I notice something that might help a lot of people. Works best when using the app, when you select any speaker channel take for example center speaker, if you slide the volume down to -6 and then swipe back to +6 your center channel will actually sound louder and clearer then it would have been previously. It&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s weird but it actually works!

Also, do you guys turn auto volume on or keep it off. I read that you get better audio when it&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;s off but in reality it sounds better on.


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I have the SL10YG, but I'm assuming auto volume leveler works the same, I only use it at night time, but when watching movies I like the impact of the difference between quiet and loud sounds so I keep it off.
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I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
Maybe all the SK10Y owners here can harass LG to do software update fix for that, and for eARC. First one seems like an even bigger deal though.
Does anybody contacted LG about the fix for this issue and received answer from them?

Bass boost is still no remedy, sound is very flat and rear sounds seems very unnatural.

Why they can't add functionality same as i'm SL10Y - in standard mode if input is DD or DTS 5.1 , sound from rear speakers comes automaticaly with original source.
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I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
Maybe all the SK10Y owners here can harass LG to do software update fix for that, and for eARC. First one seems like an even bigger deal though.
Does anybody contacted LG about the fix for this issue and received answer from them?

Bass boost is still no remedy, sound is very flat and rear sounds seems very unnatural.

Why they can't add functionality same as i'm SL10Y - in standard mode if input is DD or DTS 5.1 , sound from rear speakers comes automaticaly with original source.
Wish they could for you, would think it's just a software update. But this is the reason I actually prefer Dolby Digital over Atmos. Because even with the SL10YG, Atmos makes the side surround come out of the side of the bar and the wireless surround speakers are only the rear surround channels so you miss a lot of the surround effects.
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I have the SL10YG, friend has yours, played around with his too, recommend using Movie mode to get the best use of the the rear speakers. I find turning on the "surround" option on doesn't sound as good as Movie mode. Hope they'll give a fix though so it works with standard content too.
Yeah the problem with Movie mode is that it *forces* all the channels to output sound, so you don't really get your rear sounds from the rear speakers, rather it duplicates the sound so I get the same sound from the soundbar's "rear"s and the actual rears... Very disappointing.
Maybe all the SK10Y owners here can harass LG to do software update fix for that, and for eARC. First one seems like an even bigger deal though.
Does anybody contacted LG about the fix for this issue and received answer from them?

Bass boost is still no remedy, sound is very flat and rear sounds seems very unnatural.

Why they can't add functionality same as i'm SL10Y - in standard mode if input is DD or DTS 5.1 , sound from rear speakers comes automaticaly with original source.
Wish they could for you, would think it's just a software update. But this is the reason I actually prefer Dolby Digital over Atmos. Because even with the SL10YG, Atmos makes the side surround come out of the side of the bar and the wireless surround speakers are only the rear surround channels so you miss a lot of the surround effects.
I've done some research and received an answer from LG.

In SK10Y, when we are using standard mode the best, developed with MERIDIAN) and input is 5.1,rear sound is coming from overhead speakers not from SPK8-S rear speakers.

When input signal is 7.1, then the rear sound is actually coming from rear speakers. Side sounds are coming from side speakers of soundbar and overhead speakers are OFF. I,ve checked it on my PS4 and it really works! Output signal from console switched to PCM (losless) not any DD or dts and it generates true surround 7.1 signal in my system when using standard mode. &#x1f642;

Sadly though, cannot understand why with 5.1 input rear sound is coming from OVC speakers not rear speakers... I don't know what LG engineers were thinking when developing this functionality, it's unlogic. The only remedy for now is Bass blaster mode, which is replicating sound from OVC to rear speakers when listening to 5.1 input.

But I have to admit that despite the problem with 5.1 input - when listening to 7.1 (using standard mode) SK10Y + SPK8-S system is working really nice! &#x1f642;
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