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I guess that you are more sensitive to parallax, there are movies with a lot of L/R separation, and movies that have mild separation.
For example, I do not like to view a movie with exaggerated L/R separation... Lots of 50's movies are like that.
Many would argue the 1950's movies are what 3-D is supposed to look like, and it's today's movies that are "wimpy 2.5D", with a purposefully decreased 3-D effect. I would be in that camp.
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Many would argue the 1950's movies are what 3-D is supposed to look like, and it's today's movies that are "wimpy 2.5D", with a purposefully decreased 3-D effect. I would be in that camp.
Ohhh, I do like movies with good 3D effects, great depth, and pop-up, BUT there are movies where "very good" is transformed in "wow, my eyes just crossed".
I was talking about those movies - sorry for the misunderstanding.

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What about the DOlby 3D glasses? My brother gave me a pair of IMAX 3D and Real3D glasses to use last year at the theater. But then when I went to my first Dolby 3D showing, I found out that they use something completely different from what IMAX 3D and Real3D use.

The Dolby system is completely different from those other two.



IMAX 3D uses LCD shutter glasses that alternately turn black, and the image in the screen alternates between the left and right views synchronously.


RealD uses circular polarised lenses, and projects both views at the same time with opposite polarization.


The Dolby system has slightly different color filters for the red, green and blue components in each lens. The two projectors, one for each view, are using RGB primaries that match those respective deviations. The lenses then let through the primaries from one projector, and block the ones from the other projector.


So, basically, if a normal TV or projector would have the three components for red, green and blue at specific wavelengths, then the Dolby system would have one view with wavelengths a little bit shorter (higher frequency) than those, and the other view a little longer wavelengths (lower frequency). The eye then percieves the color from those deviated primaries in the same way as from the traditional three primaries. Any off-color effect from that can be compensated when authoring the pictures. Some describe it as "anaglyph on steroids".


The advantage of both RealD and Dolby against IMAX is that both views are visible at the same time (caveat: many RealD theaters use a single projector and toggle the polarity with a "Z-Screen" in front of the lens, but at a very high frequency of 144 Hz), and continuously, while IMAX might introduce flicker. The advantage of IMAX and Dolby against RealD is that they work on white screens, while RealD requires a silver screen to maintain polarization. The advantage of RealD against the other two is that the glasses are really cheap.


RealD is essentially known as "Passive" 3D on LCD and OLEDs at home, while the IMAX one is known as "Active" 3D, used on Plasma TVs, with projectors, and, puzzling, with a lot of LCDs. (LCD lends itself to passive 3D, due to the inherent polarization of the screen technology, and the long switching times that make active 3D difficult) I don't think it would be possible to use the Dolby system in the home, maybe with two single-chip LCD, LCoS or DLP projectors where you can swap out the color wheel.
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IMAX switched to polarized 3-D many years ago in every market I have encountered. Are there still any IMAX venues using those old giant shutter glasses with the built in headphones? Are there really still IMAX venues that use any type of active glasses? News to me if so - I haven't seen that for over a decade.

The current IMAX glasses are polarized differently from Real D. I bought a pair from Amazon that are oriented for IMAX, so it's much nicer than using the filthy, scratched and fingerprint covered ones the ushers try to give me. I also have my own pair of Real D glasses which I use at venues which use that format, which is the vast majority.

One local theater has Real D, IMAX and Dolby 3D capability, and I bet it is a pain for the staff to keep track of it all.
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Many would argue the 1950's movies are what 3-D is supposed to look like, and it's today's movies that are "wimpy 2.5D", with a purposefully decreased 3-D effect. I would be in that camp.
Given that you are in that camp, would you be so kind as to recommend some of your favorites? I don't have any 50s films in my 3D library, so your input as a 50s 3D enthusiast would be most welcome.

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Given that you are in that camp, would you be so kind as to recommend some of your favorites? I don't have any 50s films in my 3D library, so your input as a 50s 3D enthusiast would be most welcome.
Sure. All of these are available on Blu-ray 3D. The 3-D films of the time ranged quite a variety of genres, so you should find something to your taste. I'd say the first five on the list are a must.

Creature from the Black Lagoon
House of Wax
Inferno
Jivaro
The Maze

It Came from Outer Space
Gog
Gun Fury
Sangaree
Cease Fire
Those Readheads from Seattle
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Dial M For Murder
September Storm
Man in the Dark
Miss Sadie Thompson
The Bubble
Revenge of the Creature
The Mad Magician (includes two 3-D Three Stooges shorts)
Dragonfly Squadron
3-D Rarities

There is more to come from the 3-D Film Archive, from both the 1950's era and the later 1970's and 80's films, which are even more pronounced in their 3-D effect. (Parasite, Revenge of the Shogun Women, 3-D Rarities II, Nudie Cutie Collection, etc. are already announced for release in upcoming months.)

I'd highly recommend a visit to www.3dfilmarchive.com , as it is an excellent site which contains a huge amount of information about the history of 3-D movies, widescreen movies and the coming of stereo sound. There are sections on myths that persist in the public's mind, in depth articles about the production and release of various titles, original advertising, etc. It's quite simply the definitive source of correct information on the subject.

Currently available 1980's era stuff on Blu-ray 3D format:

JAWS 3-D (it's in the extras menu in the disc marketed as Jaws 3)
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Sure. All of these are available on Blu-ray 3D. The 3-D films of the time ranged quite a variety of genres, so you should find something to your taste. I'd say the first five on the list are a must...

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3-D Rarities
YMMV, but IMHO the last from your list (above) should belong to the top five.


I'm eagerly awaiting 3-D Rarities II.

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I also await the 3-D Rarities II release eagerly. The only reason it wasn't at the top is that is a collection of shorts, rather than containing a feature length film from the 1950s. It's been announced that Rarities II will indeed contain a little seen 3-D feature among its content.
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Watched Godzilla 2 recently at a commercial theater in 3D and there were some artifacts in the 3D. Around solid white lights or large bright letters bright "shadows" (of the bright object) appeared on the right and left.
Is this crosstalk?
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Watched Godzilla 2 recently at a commercial theater in 3D and there were some artifacts in the 3D. Around solid white lights or large bright letters bright "shadows" (of the bright object) appeared on the right and left.
Is this crosstalk?
Yes. Projector illumination probably not correctly calibrated.
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Yes. Projector illumination probably not correctly calibrated.
Is this the kind of crosstalk present on some LCD projectors?
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Is this the kind of crosstalk present on some LCD projectors?
I don't have any experience with 3-D LCD projectors, so I couldn't say.

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Is this the kind of crosstalk present on some LCD projectors?
My experience with LCD projectors, ala Epson, would prove that crosstalk is more apparent when brightness is turned up. The Epson 5040UB had a problem, and I think it was fixed by limiting the brightness and contrast. There are 3 LCDs, one for red, blue and green, and are controlled by white light passing through polarizers and prisms through the three colors. Anyway, I think the crosstalk is a problem when too much light is passed through and the light decay of the panels is not quick enough from one frame to another for the left-right eye images hitting each eye separately causing apparent crosstalk.
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My experience with LCD projectors, ala Epson, would prove that crosstalk is more apparent when brightness is turned up. The Epson 5040UB had a problem, and I think it was fixed by limiting the brightness and contrast. There are 3 LCDs, one for red, blue and green, and are controlled by white light passing through polarizers and prisms through the three colors. Anyway, I think the crosstalk is a problem when too much light is passed through and the light decay of the panels is not quick enough from one frame to an another for the left-right eye images hitting each eye separately causing apparent crosstalk.
And that's where I think my Panasonic 8000 has an advantage ... "it uses 480Hz driven panels for 3D to increase the amount of time that the eyewear shutters can stay open... about 1.5x regular 240Hz panels and results in brighter 3D and its overdrive technology more accurately detects the separate right/left eye info resulting in less crosstalk".... straight from the brochure, obviously... LOL!

It does obviously work however, as I have always been able to use the "Lighter" or brighter 3D eyewear setting instead of Normal or Darker to combat crosstalk and keep the lamp on ECO mode for 3D viewing...
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Fast forward to July, 2019.

Still not dead... I'm looking forward to my Alita Battle Angel 4K/3D combo. The combos are the last 3D movies that I'll pick up in hopes of getting a 3D capable projector one day. My Samsung UA-65HU9000 65" does stunning 3D, but I've just let the discs collect dust as I watch the 4K counterparts.
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My experience with LCD projectors, ala Epson, would prove that crosstalk is more apparent when brightness is turned up. The Epson 5040UB had a problem, and I think it was fixed by limiting the brightness and contrast. There are 3 LCDs, one for red, blue and green, and are controlled by white light passing through polarizers and prisms through the three colors. Anyway, I think the crosstalk is a problem when too much light is passed through and the light decay of the panels is not quick enough from one frame to another for the left-right eye images hitting each eye separately causing apparent crosstalk.
I have a number of Epson 3D projectors including the LS10,000 (laser). I've always been disappointed with Epson's 3D (too much cross-talk, especially in the background).

However, not long ago out of frustration I decided to play with the 3D depth setting. I thought that by decreasing depth it might ameliorate the cross-talk somewhat. It made cross-talk worse so out of desperation I tried increasing depth to plus 2 and was shocked when the "ghosting" disappeared. There was no downside to this change. I also have two 2016 JVC projectors, which have exceptionally good 3D. The Epson now has the least cross-talk of any of my non-DLP projectors and overall it has the best 3D when cross-talk, contrast, black level and brightness are all taken into consideration.

I tried the same changes to the 3D on my Epson 5020 and it helped the cross-talk but it seemed to negatively impact the sharpness of the 3D image.

Anyway, if you have an Epson 3D projector increase the 3D depth setting by a couple of clicks and see if that helps with cross-talk.
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Anyway, if you have an Epson 3D projector increase the 3D depth setting by a couple of clicks and see if that helps with cross-talk.
Interesting, @Deja Vu . The downside of this is if by increasing depth, you separate the objects at infinity (or the furthest objects on the screen) by more than 2.5", you could suffer eye turn-out (opposite of crosseyed, aka walleyed). Doesn't effect adults as much as children, who could suffer bad eye strain.
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Interesting, @Deja Vu . The downside of this is if by increasing depth, you separate the objects at infinity (or the furthest objects on the screen) by more than 2.5", you could suffer eye turn-out (opposite of crosseyed, aka walleyed). Doesn't effect adults as much as children, who could suffer bad eye strain.
Personally (no proof) I think Epson made a slight miscalculation (mistake) with their depth setting for 3D and the +2 setting should have been 0 or neutral. When I moved the setting from neutral to +1 and then to +2 I could see with each click a sift of the image, which to my eye properly aligned the left and right eye view(s) and eliminated pretty much all of the cross-talk (as it should be).
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Personally (no proof) I think Epson made a slight miscalculation (mistake) with their depth setting for 3D and the +2 setting should have been 0 or neutral. When I moved the setting from neutral to +1 and then to +2 I could see with each click a sift of the image, which to my eye properly aligned the left and right eye view(s) and eliminated pretty much all of the cross-talk (as it should be).
@Deja Vu : What size screen to you have and could you measure the separation of the furthest objects on your screen at each setting. This would give me a sense of what you are talking about. My Sony X700 and other Sony bluray players have a setting for screen size, and will automatically adjust the image so the furthest objects are around 2.5 inches. This works for most movies, but not all IMAX movies. I sometimes have to set the screen size smaller to get the right separation. What bluray player are you using?
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And that's where I think my Panasonic 8000 has an advantage ... "it uses 480Hz driven panels for 3D to increase the amount of time that the eyewear shutters can stay open... about 1.5x regular 240Hz panels and results in brighter 3D and its overdrive technology more accurately detects the separate right/left eye info resulting in less crosstalk".... straight from the brochure, obviously... LOL!

It does obviously work however, as I have always been able to use the "Lighter" or brighter 3D eyewear setting instead of Normal or Darker to combat crosstalk and keep the lamp on ECO mode for 3D viewing...
Epson claims 480Hz 3D frequency too, perhaps with fi high, I can't see any difference between my 3d glasses: Epson (no frequency specs on their package/manual), xpand x105rf (96-240hz) or samsung (120hz), crosstalk is more visible on the samsung, they are brighter.

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In a welcome move, Sony's new flagship player, the UBP-X1100ES, supports Blu-ray 3-D (along with other supposedly "dead" formats like DVD-A). Hopefully, it's left the door open for its future panels reintroducing support for the format.

UBP-X1100ES 4K UHD Blu-ray Player With HDR

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In a welcome move, Sony's new flagship player, the UBP-X1100ES, supports Blu-ray 3-D (along with other supposedly "dead" formats like DVD-A). Hopefully, it's left the door open for its future panels reintroducing support for the format.

UBP-X1100ES 4K UHD Blu-ray Player With HDR

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In a welcome move, Sony's new flagship player, the UBP-X1100ES, supports Blu-ray 3-D (along with other supposedly "dead" formats like DVD-A). Hopefully, it's left the door open for its future panels reintroducing support for the format.

UBP-X1100ES 4K UHD Blu-ray Player With HDR

Pretty impressive features and audio support. At the moment I'm knee deep in Oppo's
but for certain if they all failed I would consider this one.
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600? Might as well buy an Xbox, 4K and 3D too, plus a game system and it's cheaper. Not sure about DVD-A support, might need to keep an older player around.

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In a welcome move, Sony's new flagship player, the UBP-X1100ES, supports Blu-ray 3-D (along with other supposedly "dead" formats like DVD-A). Hopefully, it's left the door open for its future panels reintroducing support for the format.

UBP-X1100ES 4K UHD Blu-ray Player With HDR

Thank you, Sony! This looks like a nice Oppo UDP 203 replacement, with support for UHD, 3D, and all the high res/surround audio formats like SACD and especially DVD-A (rival format to Sony's SACD that wasn't supported by earlier Sony players). Guess I should probably get this instead of another used UDP 203, although I do need a region-free hack option like I have on my Oppo players.

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arent all modern uhd players compatible with 3d blurays? I thought if it was made within the last 6 or 8 years any player would play 3d blurays?

Im going to wait on the PS5 to see what specs it releases with before i buy an oppo replacement/backup player. Im thinking the unit will come with a uhd drive this time and hopefully play 3d disc also.

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Samsung UHD players no longer do 3d. Maybe even their regular bd players as well.
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I would have never imagined that any player that came out within the last couple of years wouldnt have 3d playback built in but im glad to know this now. i would have hated to buy something just to find out it didnt play 3d discs. well now im aware thanks.

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Samsung UHD players no longer do 3d. Maybe even their regular bd players as well.
My understanding is that Samsung is no longer making any Blu-ray players, 4K or otherwise. So, Samsung apparently sees the writing on the wall when it comes to physical media.


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My understanding is that Samsung is no longer making any Blu-ray players, 4K or otherwise. So, Samsung apparently sees the writing on the wall when it comes to physical media.
Yeah, I think they made that announcement a while ago. Too bad, it's certainly not helping the physical media situation, so especially nice to see Sony come out with a nice, all in one, player like this one. If only it had a region free option I think I would definitely buy one.

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