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I'll support 3D for as long as it is available!! Theaters will open again eventually, and studios will resume productions. They have to, since they need to survive, and people need to work. No work, no money! I plan on re-watching all of my 3D movies I've got - which is a lot!
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This thread started in the 2013, and 3d is still alive in new film/documentary releases, hundreds of 3D blurays, and projectors, just no more cameras/camcoders infortunately, for now....
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I think with VR making a big surge 3D still has life ahead..

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I think with VR making a big surge 3D still has life ahead..
What big surge would that be?
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What big surge would that be?
Oculus Quest and Valve Index have been selling out for months. Half-Life: Alyx (VR only) just came out and is one of the best reviewed games of all time and pretty high on the most players concurrently on steam. Over a million steam headsets recorded during their latest survey, and I know my 2 as well as my brother's and sister's are never counted. So it's likely way more than that. Quest has sold well over a million. We're getting there!

Me and my uncle in CT watch 3d movies (sometimes 2d as well) in bigscreen vr with my mother, sister and brother who all live in FL weekly. I can either stream any of my sbs/ou 3d movies, or we can purchase 3d movie tickets @ $3.99 each to watch together in a little better quality without the upload demands of streaming my own collection. Haven't tried that yet though.
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I'm bummed that its likely 3d blurays won't be released. Since Pixar/Disney's Onward went straight to Disney+, I doubt there will be many bluray sales and I doubt 3d will be getting a special run on the production line.

I was excited for VR, but it really is cost prohibitive for a large percentage of the population and rather isolating even if watching a movie with other people. Are you going to have friends over, have them all strap phones to your faces and zone out to watch a movie together? Its hard enough keeping allthe 3d glasses charged, what are the odds everyone's phone would be charged to last a whole movie... not even going to mention how popcorn and snacks would work. I hope 3d evolves into realistic, interactive virtual experiences, but i was hoping casual 3d would be an option for general use.

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I'm bummed that its likely 3d blurays won't be released. Since Pixar/Disney's Onward went straight to Disney+, I doubt there will be many bluray sales and I doubt 3d will be getting a special run on the production line.

I was excited for VR, but it really is cost prohibitive for a large percentage of the population and rather isolating even if watching a movie with other people. Are you going to have friends over, have them all strap phones to your faces and zone out to watch a movie together? Its hard enough keeping allthe 3d glasses charged, what are the odds everyone's phone would be charged to last a whole movie... not even going to mention how popcorn and snacks would work. I hope 3d evolves into realistic, interactive virtual experiences, but i was hoping casual 3d would be an option for general use.

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If you're just looking for the bigscreen experience Oculus go is like $100 or $150. Nothing else needed except wi-fi. You don't need the people to come over, it seems like you are with them (their avatars anyway) in the VR theater.

I will be upset when physical media is gone too. I still prefer 3d on my pj, but my family lives across country so we wouldn't be able to watch together on that anyway.

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If you're just looking for the bigscreen experience Oculus go is like $100 or $150. Nothing else needed except wi-fi. You don't need the people to come over, it seems like you are with them (their avatars anyway) in the VR theater.

I will be upset when physical media is gone too. I still prefer 3d on my pj, but my family lives across country so we wouldn't be able to watch together on that anyway.
What you describe works for you.

I love 3D and have long enjoyed the solo experience of View-Master reels, but nothing beat the 3D parties I would have, projecting View-Master images taken with my personal stereo camera. Even with polarized glasses it was a group setting that felt natural.

Perhaps to younger people who have grown up with online gaming and electronic devices virtually fused to their bodies VR seems like a normal method of entertainment, but it seems ill-suited for most.

I wish you well with your VR experience; I do enjoy it myself for brief periods using Google Cardboard and other methods. But I believe what you call a "surge" is simply a wave in a very small pond.

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What you describe works for you.

I love 3D and have long enjoyed the solo experience of View-Master reels, but nothing beat the 3D parties I would have, projecting View-Master images taken with my personal stereo camera. Even with polarized glasses it was a group setting that felt natural.

Perhaps to younger people who have grown up with online gaming and electronic devices virtually fused to their bodies VR seems like a normal method of entertainment, but it seems ill-suited for most.

I wish you well with your VR experience; I do enjoy it myself for brief periods using Google Cardboard and other methods. But I believe what you call a "surge" is simply a wave in a very small pond.
Definitely understand your aversion to it, and agree to disagree that it's just a small wave in a small pond. Just would like to point out that my mother is 60 and my uncle is in his 50's and they both join in weekly for our movie get-togethers. As I said, there is no other choice for us anyway since we live across country from each other. Also if google cardboard was my only experience with VR, I would be pretty cold on the idea too. I know you said other methods, but cardboard/gear vr are both far cries from true VR where your motion is tracked 1 to 1 in the virtual space with your hands as the actual inputs.

Being in the VR community for 5 years now I can tell it is growing, and I just really hope it helps 3d in it's other forms like in theaters and on physical media. I would sorely miss any new 3d films on my pj, much more than I would miss them in my vr headset...

Sounds like your 3d parties were awesome and I would have liked to experience one!
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I find it annoying that 8K is possibly going to become a thing.


If 2D 8K is doable, then 3D 4K is doable. I know which one I'd rather have.
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I really enjoy watching 3D movies and YouTube videos on my Oculus Go. I just wish they'd get the resolution up and eliminate the narrow fov....can't stand the feeling like I'm looking through a pair of binoculars. If they could perfect those two things, it would be a perfect environment for watching 3D movies.
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3D is dead, long live 3D

I just watched a new video that addresses the question in the title of this forum, Is 3D about dead? The answer is yes, and no.

The humorous, entertaining 17-minute video made by The Royal Ocean Film Society and MUBI, called "The Life and Death of 3D" can be found on Vimeo and YouTube.

I discovered it yesterday during a Google News search, linked to a May 1 Film School Rejects article called The Many Deaths of 3D: A History of Cinema's Problem Child.
Link here:
https://filmschoolrejects.com/the-life-and-death-of-3d/

The subtitle of the article cleverly sums up the video this way: "3D is dead, long live 3D"

The video recounts the near 100-year history of 3D in cinema -- how there have been periodic revivals of the format, each followed by 3D death pronouncements over the years, including the current episode we now are living through.

I am a film critic and 3D fan, but I have no connection to the article and video linked above.
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After watching the video, check out the 3-D Archive's post entitled "What Killed 3-D?".

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/what-killed-3D
Yeah, the 3D Archive site is a great resource, and I appreciate the efforts of the group to restore and make available old 3D movies.

The story about futile attempts to create a bluray 3D disc of "Hondo" (1953) is fascinating (see "HONDO Restoration.doc" on the 3D Archive web site). It illustrates some high hurdles in film restoration. I hope the Hondo project gets done someday soon.
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Yes, home 3D is dying. We have no TVs supporting it and we have only a few projector brands still flying the 3D badge.
The accessibility of 3D content is going to slow become £2000+ for those that want to buy a new device which supports 3D.


3D can still and will probably survive in the cinema, because they have the equipment and will want to use it.
At home, we will need a revolution of 3D and I don't see that happening without someone putting a lot of cash into someones wallet as TV brands are reclutant to pass on the charge to consumers when they can make TVs cheaper and just target HDR high nits (and rightfully so given consumer demand).
Maybe VR can give 3D a small niche group of people who will buy the films once the resolution and FOV become comfortable.

Sadly HDR is the real deal which might be the nail in the coffin for 3D as far as I'm aware, 3D limits the brightness of panels slightly and HDR needs all the brightness it can get.

It will be sad if this is the case but in all honesty, 3D's death is down to everyone. From consumers not recognising or supporting it, to directors and studios not respecting the format.

Excluding atmos off of 3D discs, studios doing some crap post conversions... you can only be-little a genuinely decent format so much before it dies.

I hope I'm wrong and there is a break through somewhere. I'd love for some form of passive 3D box to be emerge which will somehow decode information and allow say an LG OLED C9/CX/C8/C7 to be able to do 3D content. That might just be the future for 3D but I don't know anything about the technology to fathom how that happens.

I've heard of glasses free 3D but again.. no idea how that makes it to consumer grade panels.
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Without Marvel 3D, and there is little on the horizon, 3D is dead...for the USA for sure. We are too cheap to watch 3D because of the glasses...heard that cry over and over. Russia has a TV channel dedicated to 3D. It's big in other countries, but for some reason USA doesn't really care about it--all about cost vs. image enjoyment apparently.
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Just replace "masks" with "3D glasses" and yes, 3D is dead in the U.S.!

Remember, 3D glasses "literally kill people" and anyone wearing them is subject to citizens' arrest -- they're "the devil's" work..


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Sadly, that appears to be the truth and explains the situation a bit too well.
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Watching 3D movies in VR is still amazing.
I wonder why there isn't a resurgence in 3D Blu-rays for watching on PlayStation 4 VR?
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Watching 3D movies in VR is still amazing.
I wonder why there isn't a resurgence in 3D Blu-rays for watching on PlayStation 4 VR?


Because the FOV is crap, the audio sucks, the resolution is terrible, and you are wearing a headset on your head.


I don't get people who say 3D Blurays in VR is amazing. Its not. Its the worst form of watching 3D films. 3DLCD, Projector and OLED are all better ways to experience it.


VR is great because its an active form of entertainment where you close yourself off from the open world and wear and uncomfortably heavy headset the promise of ACTIVE entertainment and enjoyment. The sacrifice is worth the advantages.

However using a VR headset for a passive means of entertainment is not a very good trade off for most people. The benefit of a few extra things popping out into your face or around is not worth the negatives of:
1. Wearing a heavy headset
2. The unsocial nature of now watching films with the headset
3. Being closed off from the world
4. The resolution being terrible
5. The colours and brightness not being as good as your TV
6. Audio compromise (unless the audio is being fed through to your speakers).
etc.
7. The scale is slightly off , its not perfect becaause the display isn't real
8. the FOV is very boxy both vertical and horizontal (even on valve index)
9. screen door effect

There is also a sense of awe when something projects into YOUR room. This doesn't happen with a VR headset.

There is a place for VR and 3D films potentially.. a niche one.. but with the current crop of headsets, its very much so a big compromise. FYI I have a PSVR, Valve Index, Oculus Quest and Rift S, and have tried 3D films on all of them. Its fun, but its no where near projection or TVs as an experience.


VR has a lot of AMAZING moments and wanders. RE7VR, Superhot, Astrobot, Half Life alyx, Asgard's Wrath.. I can comfortably say watching a 3D Film in VR is one of the most underwhelming. Making huge compromises for an active form of entertainment, just to play a gimped form of passive entertainment will not make sense for most people.

Remember there is no doubt 3D partly failed because people couldn't be bothered to draw the curtains, put 3D glasses on and press the sync button. Putting on a WIRED VR headset and shut yourself from the outside world in a boxy claustrophobic field of view

If we can get a wireless, OLED, HIGH FOV, HIGH RESOLUTION, VR headset which is light, then maybe we can start talking about it being a the 3D blu-ray saviour. and the sad thing is it will come.. but will it come in time for 3D blurays to still being made?.... no.
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Because the FOV is crap, the audio sucks, the resolution is terrible, and you are wearing a headset on your head. I don't get people who say 3D Blurays in VR is amazing. Its not. Its the worst form of watching 3D films. 3DLCD, Projector and OLED are all better ways to experience it.
Agree with that. Anyone who claims Blu-Ray 3D on the PSVR or another VR headset is a "good" experience simply implies to me they've hardly ever seen a quality TV or projector playing a Blu-Ray 3D movie before. VR's designed for different purposes so there's a lot of trade offs for getting that to work vs what's required for high quality Blu-Ray 3D. There's a few headsets that have high enough resolution (or different designs) that could potentially handle this now (or are coming out) however I don't think the average person would be purchasing these.
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