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Budget $350 - 55” or 50” 4K

Looking for budget 55” maybe 50” 4K for basement room
Budget around $350
Walmart has Vizio 55” for $349
Anything else I should look at?
Thanks!
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There's a Vizio E Series 55" for $399 at Best Buy
Is there anything better at that price?
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VIZIO M-Series Quantum M507-G1 50", $399.99 B&H Photo, $398 Walmart, may be cheaper elsewhere.

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The Hisense H8F has 700 nits brightness and 32-50 dimming zones, making it a better TV on paper than the low-end Vizio M series.

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Samsung RU7100 50" is $399 @ BB.

I had the 2018 version, the NU7100 during the summer and it's what I would call a decent "starter" 4K set once you get the settings dialed in. Viewing angles were not great however... washed out colors if you're sitting off the side.

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I guess these are pretty much the candidates for this size with this budget...


Vizio M Series Quantum (m507-G1) 50" ==> $398.00
Samsung RU7100 50" ==> $399.00
TCL 5 series 50S525 50" ==> $349.00

Hisense HF8 55" ==> $298.00
TCL 4 series 55" ==> $298.00


I think I'm leaning more 50" than 55" for this room and giving the edge slightly toward the TCL 50S525 from what I've read thus far.
There's a lot of complaints about the Samsung and Hisense?
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I guess these are pretty much the candidates for this size with this budget...


Vizio M Series Quantum (m507-G1) 50" ==> $398.00
Samsung RU7100 50" ==> $399.00
TCL 5 series 50S525 50" ==> $349.00

Hisense HF8 55" ==> $298.00
TCL 4 series 55" ==> $298.00


I think I'm leaning more 50" than 55" for this room and giving the edge slightly toward the TCL 50S525 from what I've read thus far.
There's a lot of complaints about the Samsung and Hisense?
There are a lot of complaints about everything. This is the electronics industry.

FWIW rtings Mixed Usage rankings for the above. Good luck, have fun with whatever you choose.

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The Hisense H8F has 700 nits brightness and 32-50 dimming zones, making it a better TV on paper than the low-end Vizio M series.
My H8F had pretty bad uniformity issues amd motion was pretty bad, especially gaming and darker content.

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Vizio M Series Quantum (m507-G1) 50" ==> $398.00
Samsung RU7100 50" ==> $399.00...
That $350 budget didn't last, huh?
Meanwhile, I have a Vizio C60-M3 and have really liked it.

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I think I'm leaning more 50" than 55" for this room
Nah. No. NO! NOOOOOOO!! BAD DOG!!!! Let's be real, NOBODY ever complained their TV was too big, heedless of the room.
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That $350 budget didn't last, huh?

I try not to be too rigid with life decisions.
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My TV isn't too big, my room is too small...
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I try not to be too rigid with life decisions.
FWIW... Costco has the Vizio M507 aggressively priced at $339 incl. 2-year warranty thru 10/11. Up to 4-year warranty at no cost if you buy using their Costco/Citi credit card. I just ordered myself. Larger than I planned but willing to try for the value.

Think it may be an online-only price, but free shipping so issue there.

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FWIW... Costco has the Vizio M507 aggressively priced at $339 incl. 2-year warranty thru 10/11. Up to 4-year warranty at no cost if you buy using their Costco/Citi credit card. I just ordered myself. Larger than I planned but willing to try for the value.

Think it may be an online-only price, but free shipping so issue there.

thanks for the info!
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My TV isn't too big, my room is too small...
That's what wrecking balls are for, my friend
Reminds me of a friend who had a den, and got a monster CRT projector on some deal used. Not great resolution as it was old, but he had it projecting onto the entire wall, like maybe 17 feet diagonal! Kinda wacky watching the news like that, but also quite cool. So after that, I never feel a picture is "too big" for the room. Certainly not with the high definition TVs today, where you can't see the dots.
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I bought the Vizio m507 from Costco-- good deal.
In case of problems, they seem to have a good return policy for online purchases, they pay for return shipping.
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M507 update.... Watching TV in bed this morning, the screen flashed and then black and sound cut out. The sound tried to come back a few times with a mild gray millisecond flash. At first I thought it was cable or Tivo-box, but turned out to be the TV. Powercycled, etc... nothing. Unfortunately, I'm outside the 90-day window for Costco to handle directly, but their Concierge rep took all of my info & had me do a power-cycle... then called Vizio on my behalf and conferenced me after providing all of my info.

Vizio is sending a 're-certified' replacement unit in 5-7 days, and used the box to ship my original TV back. I needed to provide my credit card info to opt for this expedited method, rather than waiting for a box, shipping mine back.. with Vizio sending a replacement only after the return is logged.

Hopefully the 're-certified' is just a refused delivery, rather than something sent back with screen issues. Not thrilled about the unit going bust, but Costco does take the pain out of contacting MFG for warranty support. Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly.
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I guess these are pretty much the candidates for this size with this budget...


Vizio M Series Quantum (m507-G1) 50" ==> $398.00
Samsung RU7100 50" ==> $399.00
TCL 5 series 50S525 50" ==> $349.00

Hisense HF8 55" ==> $298.00
TCL 4 series 55" ==> $298.00


I think I'm leaning more 50" than 55" for this room and giving the edge slightly toward the TCL 50S525 from what I've read thus far.
There's a lot of complaints about the Samsung and Hisense?

The single biggest regret people have is not going bigger...
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M507 update.... Watching TV in bed this morning, the screen flashed and then black and sound cut out. The sound tried to come back a few times with a mild gray millisecond flash. At first I thought it was cable or Tivo-box, but turned out to be the TV. Powercycled, etc... nothing. Unfortunately, I'm outside the 90-day window for Costco to handle directly, but their Concierge rep took all of my info & had me do a power-cycle... then called Vizio on my behalf and conferenced me after providing all of my info.

Vizio is sending a 're-certified' replacement unit in 5-7 days, and used the box to ship my original TV back. I needed to provide my credit card info to opt for this expedited method, rather than waiting for a box, shipping mine back.. with Vizio sending a replacement only after the return is logged.

Hopefully the 're-certified' is just a refused delivery, rather than something sent back with screen issues. Not thrilled about the unit going bust, but Costco does take the pain out of contacting MFG for warranty support. Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly.
Yes, fingers crossed. Hope it all goes smoothly for you, and indeed you're a panel lottery winner with the re-certified replacement, as well as the innards.

I'm currently trying to decide btwn the M507-G1 vs LG 50UM7300 vs TCL 50S525.
Having used the M507-G1 for four months, and considering the issue causing the replacement, what do you think your druthers would be now? If you don't mind me asking; still the M507-G1?

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Hi Ilga, outside the inconvenience of this replacement window, I have no other complaints about the TV. As my other TV is OLED C8, I'm under no delusions about what can be had in a budget model. That being said you can't fully suppress PQ snobbery once you're infected (I would have gone OLED if they came @ 50 inch). My take is anything other than OLED is wasteful at high price-points, and this model at a budget demonstrably outperforms it's price-point. Unless this issue recurs and reliability becomes an issue, I will continue to feel it's a good purchase.
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Hi Ilga, outside the inconvenience of this replacement window, I have no other complaints about the TV. As my other TV is OLED C8, I'm under no delusions about what can be had in a budget model. That being said you can't fully suppress PQ snobbery once you're infected (I would have gone OLED if they came @ 50 inch). My take is anything other than OLED is wasteful at high price-points, and this model at a budget demonstrably outperforms it's price-point. Unless this issue recurs and reliability becomes an issue, I will continue to feel it's a good purchase.
Thanks very much for your perspective. And if you also don't mind me asking, how's the 420p & 720p up-scaling, and the reflection handling with lights on in room, (or natural light from windows, if you have any in your basement room)?
Btw, didn't LG get their 48 or 49" OLED to market last year? Or did it get postponed to a new 2020 offering? But I see Sony has a 48 OLED coming out this year.

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To my knowledge the smallest LG OLED is 55 inches... and this 50 inch BARELY fits on a fully extended articulating arm 90 degrees from the wall.

This TV is in a bedroom and the only window is actually behind it. This room's light is also just behind it to the left, so there's never been a true reflection in this position. As a result i actually run the backlight much lower than recommended to avoid burning my eyes out and keeping me up all night.

Unfortunately, I don't have anything to offer with 480 or 720 either as I have a 4k blu-ray player, 4k FireTV stick, and Tivo Bolt as my sources. Anything 480 or 720 would have been upscaled before reaching the TV. My guess is the TV's built in upscale is pedestrian at this $$ point, but I could be wrong.

My only recommendation is if buying this TV... to buy from Costco, unless you find a significantly better deal... only for the free +1 warranty, and +2 more if you use their citi credit card.
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To my knowledge the smallest LG OLED is 55 inches... and this 50 inch BARELY fits on a fully extended articulating arm 90 degrees from the wall.

This TV is in a bedroom and the only window is actually behind it. This room's light is also just behind it to the left, so there's never been a true reflection in this position. As a result i actually run the backlight much lower than recommended to avoid burning my eyes out and keeping me up all night.

Unfortunately, I don't have anything to offer with 480 or 720 either as I have a 4k blu-ray player, 4k FireTV stick, and Tivo Bolt as my sources. Anything 480 or 720 would have been upscaled before reaching the TV. My guess is the TV's built in upscale is pedestrian at this $$ point, but I could be wrong.

My only recommendation is if buying this TV... to buy from Costco, unless you find a significantly better deal... only for the free +1 warranty, and +2 more if you use their citi credit card.
Thanks again, appreciate your op and perspective. We're looking for a 49/50 bedroom tv for an elderly fam member with macular degeneration & glaucoma, etc & vision really only in one eye, and of that, extremely impaired and foggy vision. So it's a tough decision, as I've been trying to research or read about what panel characteristics should be most important. From what I've been able to read or find so far, it's looking like the top 3 panel characteristics or attributes are: high contrast, high brightness, and low reflections/good reflection handling. But you put those different specs on the scales and they go up and down depending on brand/model. The big question is, is one most important, or are they all equally important. And if equally, then I suppose it should be no different than deciding on a regular budget 4K. .... Guess I just answered my own question.

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~ My only recommendation is if buying this TV... to buy from Costco, unless you find a significantly better deal... only for the free +1 warranty, and +2 more if you use their citi credit card.
Btw, Costco's marketing & specifications were all screwed-up and wrong for the LG 50UM7300 I was looking at, (but actually bought elsewhere a few weeks ago, though haven't opened while still perusing specs on other 49~50 inchers); the LG 50UM7300 is the only UM7300 with a VA panel, but Costco was showing & marketing it (with their four main bullet points - right next to their big picture of the LG - on their 50UM7300 page) as an IPS panel w/extra wide viewing angles. Same thing down in Costco's specifications. I had to submit feedback once and call them twice before they removed all the 'IPS' references on their LG 50UM7300 page. But I wonder how many of their customers bought their LG 50UM7300....believing Costco's false marketing & specs, believing that they were buying an LG tv with wide viewing angles. Anyhoo, somewhat of a major product marketing & specification blunder on Costco's online website.
Nonetheless LG's .pdf specs are also misleading; they list their UM7300 43, 49 & 55 inchers as having 'IPS' panel types (which of course are LCD-IPS panels), but then they list their UM7300 50" as only having an 'LCD' panel type (instead of the proper VA panel) designation.

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FWIW... Costco has the Vizio M507 aggressively priced at $339 incl. 2-year warranty thru 10/11. Up to 4-year warranty at no cost if you buy using their Costco/Citi credit card. I just ordered myself. Larger than I planned but willing to try for the value. Think it may be an online-only price, but free shipping so issue there.
Our local Costco's (within 50~60 miles) are all out of the Vizio M507-G1. Costco website has it currently at $370 til 2/20/20.

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Looking for budget 55” maybe 50” 4K for basement room
Budget around $350
Walmart has Vizio 55” for $349
Anything else I should look at?
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M507 update... replacement TV delivered yesterday, and just finished mounting and hooking up. Almost pitched a fit, when none of the HDI inputs would display an image. Recognized the Firestick, renamed the port.. but no image. Tivo input yielded only audio Power on/off didn't fix, but finally a power-cycle (unplug and hold the power button for 60 seconds) seemed to do the trick. Will see how it goes over the next few days to confirm.

2 things I found notable, was that:
1. Vizio shipped the retail box in a much larger corrugated box with corner air cushions (which is how my OLED C8 delivered). A nice cautionary measure, but now it makes my return shipment enormous... and doubtful the local discount store that serves as UPS drop-off will accept a box this size.
2. This TV has the same light escaping from the lower left corner when viewed off axis in the dark, so it appears to be a model design flaw, that would appear on all units.
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Blacks are HORRIBLE on the replacement unit. Put in DolbyVision disc and blacks got significantly lighter. Hopefully it's something I'm missing in the settings. If anyone has an idea what it might be, let me know.
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