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Will we ever seen really big TV's at PJ prices?

We were at Sam's yesterday and the cost continues to fall on TV's.


70" and under had been getting cheap for a long time. Vizio Quantum Dot for $429 for a 65", entry level 70's for not much more.


The one that stuck out to me was an 82" LG for $1,299.


There was always this huge price disparity between 70/75 and anything over 80" but that was surprising to me.


Spring/Summer is here so TV watching will go down but my plan was to replace my Epson 6040UBE in the fall with its 120" screen.



Where is the market supposed to go except for bigger to retain higher margin profits on displays?



Granted at those prices people are probably buying more but I am out of wall space to put a display.


If the 120" screens got into the 5K range I'd skip a PJ entirely. We like it but after watching that and then coming up and watching our HDR Sony in our bedroom there is a difference.
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We were at Sam's yesterday and the cost continues to fall on TV's.

70" and under had been getting cheap for a long time. Vizio Quantum Dot for $429 for a 65", entry level 70's for not much more. The one that stuck out to me was an 82" LG for $1,299. There was always this huge price disparity between 70/75 and anything over 80" but that was surprising to me.


Spring/Summer is here so TV watching will go down but my plan was to replace my Epson 6040UBE in the fall with its 120" screen.


Where is the market supposed to go except for bigger to retain higher margin profits on displays? Granted at those prices people are probably buying more but I am out of wall space to put a display. If the 120" screens got into the 5K range I'd skip a PJ entirely. We like it but after watching that and then coming up and watching our HDR Sony in our bedroom there is a difference.

***I think I'd skip the LG 82." If you are used to Sony processing, it will be a big letdown with an LG LCD set. LCD technology has had a great run for the past twenty years with lower prices every year and especially on larger TV's 75" and above. For the most part, no one outside of Samsung is looking at new TV technology past LCD or OLED. Having a "MicroLED" TV that you could bring in sections for a larger screen is still years away.

So - how do you get a 100" or better yet, a 120" picture? I think projection TV is the only answer right now. And you're right, it is not as sharp the Sony HDR in your bedroom. Personally, I'll be looking at 4K UST projectors like the VAVA 4K. I like the fact that you do not have to mount a projector and can just place it on a stand (low stand!) in front of your wall for that large screen, theater presence. And, with the right type of ALR screen, they can be viewed in the daytime, as well. (With some light - - any light will wash out a projector picture).

I don't see any other choices for couple years or so. I can't imagine the weight of a 100" or 120" LCD/OLED TV. (I doubt we see any OLED that is affordable past a 77" which is currently being produced and ramped up at LG Display's Vietnam factory.) MicroLED technology is the closest thing to finding a lightweight solution that will be much easier to transport and setup, IMHO. At least in theory.

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I would take an 85"+ LCD TV over any projector in a heartbeat.

And don't worry, those prices would keep coming down. If yo told someone that they could get an 85" Full array 4K sony TV for under $2500 just 2 years ago they would probably tell you you were crazy.
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They are missing a golden opportunity to start breaking the 85 inch barriers. I recently got a 82, but I would love for it to have been a 95-100 inch screen.

There are only a few plants making most TVs. If they can produce the 100 inch panels, there will certainly be a market, bigger than anticipated of people who would want one for say under $5000
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A few manufacturers have offered very expensive 120" LCD TVs, they were very limited production units. Be aware that when you get to this size they can be physically too large to get into many rooms, especially around corners, up/down stairs, etc. (the size of the display panel, without a stand or shipping box, is about 1 foot longer and 1 foot wider than a standard sheet of drywall)
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Even for my 82 we had to come in the back because it couldn't clear my porch.

I could still easily fit a 100 inch into my house though.
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I would take an 85"+ LCD TV over any projector in a heartbeat.

And don't worry, those prices would keep coming down. If yo told someone that they could get an 85" Full array 4K sony TV for under $2500 just 2 years ago they would probably tell you you were crazy.
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I think the issue with large 100+ inch sets is the logistics of transportation and moving such large panels in and out of houses. If you look at the size of my 142" screen, there is no way you could transport it in and out of the house without disassembly. Don't get me wrong, I remember when a 65" projection TV was a HUGE TV and now that's not a small set, but not a large set either. I love my projector, but I would obviously rather have a quality flat panel of the same size instead.
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By the time over 100" are possible VR/AR will be mainstream. Aimed at younger generations. While it's thought that young people don't have disposable income, that may be true for AV equipment, but they do spend (other people's) money on things like phones.
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What might be a plausible solution for the future of large flat panel purchase in the North American continent, is to have transplant manufacturing done in this county as many auto co. have already done for years. This would at least eliminate the over sea's shipping costs and it's possibly incurred damage. Quantum dot inkjet OLEDs or emissive QD might become lighter & thinner. They will always command a premium price that some will be willing to pay, some might find reasonable.
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By the time over 100" are possible VR/AR will be mainstream. Aimed at younger generations. While it's thought that young people don't have disposable income, that may be true for AV equipment, but they do spend (other people's) money on things like phones.
No matter how good VR gets I will never be interested in strapping something on my face.

Maybe when they can beam it right to my optic nerves.
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No matter how good VR gets I will never be interested in strapping something on my face.

Maybe when they can beam it right to my optic nerves.
Maybe they can make it very light, like a light pair of glasses. In 10 years time maybe people will use some kind of AR interface all the time, so it would not be used just for movies.
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China had a 98" full array lcd tv release back in March for $2800. I believe the dimming zone was only around 300-500 but it's still miles better than those garbage 96-98" LG ips tvs.

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China had a 98" full array lcd tv release back in March for $2800. I believe the dimming zone was only around 300-500 but it's still miles better than those garbage 96-98" LG ips tvs.
Bring it to USA!
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China had a 98" full array lcd tv release back in March for $2800. I believe the dimming zone was only around 300-500 but it's still miles better than those garbage 96-98" LG ips tvs.
$2800 for the TV + $5000 for slowboat shipping, lol

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I'm as big a fan of big TV's as any of you, but there are house structural as well as human anatomy limits that come into play.

Most people do not live in McMansions or custom-build homes with stadium seating or living or TV rooms that are big enough for 100"-plus TV's. Most people are PHYSICALLY limited to about an 80-85" TV if they want to completely go wall-to-wall and practically it means a 60-70" size limit. For most people, 55" is the sweet spot and going 50% larger or so is considered "enough."

If you CAN fit in a bigger TV, you have limits given visual acuity and the range of our eyes and the cones/rods we have, combined with the placement of said eyes in the front of our faces, that limits the angle of viewing for various distances. And as the angle has to increase, so does the distance -- which virtually anybody in a rented apartment or condo/co-op is going to run into and probably 95% of house dwellers. As you move further back from the TV to take in more of the screen, the resolution factor fades and we see less of the Ultra-HD benefit.

This, plus the increased cost curve for 75" and above TV's, has led to the higher prices because the volume wasn't there to offset the cost curve of production. Lousy returns on TV and flat-panel manufacturing the last 10-20 years didn't help, either.
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