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BenQ 5550 or Epson 5050

I hate being the guy who all the dumb question that it's going to get opinions instead of facts...

Please help me pick!
Replacing my 5040 in a fully light controlled (really) home theater.

Option A, Epson 5050. ~$2550.00
Option B, BenQ 5550. ~$2300.00

135" AT DIY spandex screen.

Thanks for understanding and helping me sound my money.

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Fully light controlled room = Epson 5050.
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Fully light controlled room = Epson 5050.
I assume your suggestion is for the black levels? I know the ub's are some of the best. The 5050 also has quite a bit of output too.

Before my 5040 I had a BenQ 1075. I enjoyed the crispness of the DLP projectors, I have actually owned three DLP units and just one LCD (5040).

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Here's a head to head review:

http://cine4home.de/benq-w5700-vs-ep...nzimmerbeamer/ (use google translate for your language of choice)
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I assume your suggestion is for the black levels?
Yes. In a light controlled room the poor black floor of DLP will be very apparent.
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I hate being the guy who all the dumb question that it's going to get opinions instead of facts...

Please help me pick!
Replacing my 5040 in a fully light controlled (really) home theater.

Option A, Epson 5050. ~$2550.00
Option B, BenQ 5550. ~$2300.00

135" AT DIY spandex screen.

Thanks for understanding and helping me sound my money.

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What color are the walls?

For that screen a brighter projector would be recommended.

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Light controlled means all dark non reflective surfaces like no white ceiling. How is the contrast on the 5040 and why do you want to replace it? If your looking for something sharper then the BenQ might be the answer especially if the room isn't "light controlled". A big step up if room is really "light controlled" is a JVC or maybe a Sony. The Epson 5050 will give you better HDR tone mapping and 18Gb HDMI but that is it.

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I hate being the guy who all the dumb question that it's going to get opinions instead of facts...

Please help me pick!
Replacing my 5040 in a fully light controlled (really) home theater.

Option A, Epson 5050. ~$2550.00
Option B, BenQ 5550. ~$2300.00

135" AT DIY spandex screen.

Thanks for understanding and helping me sound my money.

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5040 to 5050 doesn't seem like much of an improvement. Neither one is 4k but just doubled 1080P, yet you are comparing to the Benq which is full 4k. If you want 4k, go with the Benq and live with mediocre blacks. If you don't care about 4k but just want doubled 1080P and the best blacks and contrast, go with a JVC 440. The Epson 5050 just doesn't compute for me.

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What color are the walls?

For that screen a brighter projector would be recommended.
Screen wall and back about six feet are about 80% neutral gray. Ceilings are about 50%.

Flat black floor to ceiling sounds absorbers flank the immediate walls for first and second reflection points.

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Light controlled means all dark non reflective surfaces like no white ceiling. How is the contrast on the 5040 and why do you want to replace it? If your looking for something sharper then the BenQ might be the answer especially if the room isn't "light controlled". A big step up if room is really "light controlled" is a JVC or maybe a Sony. The Epson 5050 will give you better HDR tone mapping and 18Gb HDMI but that is it.
Nail on the head. Too many issues with HDR and compatibilities. I tried using a HDfury and that was a bandaid, not a fan of adding things to try and 'trick" things into working.

As for the sharpness, the DLP only had a leg up on the Epson with text. Video is better with the Epson.

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The Epson 5050UB, without a doubt. Way better black levels and brightness uniformity.

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The Epson 5050UB, without a doubt. Way better black levels and brightness uniformity.
Thanks Blake. I hadn't thought about uniformity. That had been an issue with my past DLP units.

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The Epson 5050UB, without a doubt. Way better black levels and brightness uniformity.
ProjectorCentral's tests showed better uniformity for the HT5550:

Brightness Uniformity. The measured brightness uniformity for the HT5550 was 84% at the wide angle end of the range and a nearly identical 83% at the telephoto end. The brightness difference was subtle enough to be visible on a solid white screen as being slightly dimmer in the upper and lower right corners, but I never saw any difference with real-world content.

HC5050UB

Brightness Uniformity. With the zoom at its widest position, brightness uniformity was 84.2%. This dropped to 78.8% at the longest zoom. Both numbers are acceptable results. Measurements revealed that the brightness dropped off slightly in the bottom-right quadrant of an otherwise uniform image, but the difference was so gradual as to not be visible on either a 100% white test pattern or in any real content.
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That helps make things clear as mud.


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I hate being the guy who all the dumb question that it's going to get opinions instead of facts...

Please help me pick!
Replacing my 5040 in a fully light controlled (really) home theater.

Option A, Epson 5050. ~$2550.00
Option B, BenQ 5550. ~$2300.00

135" AT DIY spandex screen.

Thanks for understanding and helping me sound my money.

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You're gaining very little with either of those "upgrades" over the 5040, aside from the better hdmi speed in the 5050. Why not just keep the 5040 or upgrade to something significantly better (and way more expensive) -> JVC.

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The lack of full 18gbs on the 5040 causes me way too much grief. When things are working well the picture is good. It just becomes a pita when things go south.

I'm torn at this point, unless I can find a great deal on a JVC
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... Also, the 5040 has issues with dealing with changed between SDR and HDR material.

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Screen wall and back about six feet are about 80% neutral gray. Ceilings are about 50%.

Flat black floor to ceiling sounds absorbers flank the immediate walls for first and second reflection points.

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Sounds good.

The extra sharpness of the HT5550 might not be apparent if the seating is not close enough.
What is the seating distance?

The HT5550 might also not be bright enough. Unless I'm mistaken, that AT spandex has a gain of around 0.7.
How far away is the mount from the screen and can it be moved?


The 5050UB would be an upgrade in terms of the HDMI chip, HDR.

If this is the requirement for upgrade then an older JVC won't do. There have been suggestions that the NX5 B stock is available for the cost of an 6050UB. Contact the dealers.
The new JVC's are native 4K, and have recently received an upgrade for their HDR processing.

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Sounds good.

The extra sharpness of the HT5550 might not be apparent if the seating is not close enough.
What is the seating distance?

The HT5550 might also not be bright enough. Unless I'm mistaken, that AT spandex has a gain of around 0.7.
How far away is the mount from the screen and can it be moved?


The 5050UB would be an upgrade in terms of the HDMI chip, HDR.

If this is the requirement for upgrade then an older JVC won't do. There have been suggestions that the NX5 B stock is available for the cost of an 6050UB. Contact the dealers.
The new JVC's are native 4K, and have recently received an upgrade for their HDR processing.
First row of seating is at roughly 12' second is bartop seating at 15'.
I would agree that the AT spandex would be between .7 and .9, I would consider getting new material, however, I'm not aware of anything that will come close to spandex for passing sound.
Honestly, the JVC is a price point issue. Spending more than 3k for a replacement to a "working" projector will possibly get me on the wife's naughty list this time of year.
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First row of seating is at roughly 12' second is bartop seating at 15'.
I would agree that the AT spandex would be between .7 and .9, I would consider getting new material, however, I'm not aware of anything that will come close to spandex for passing sound.
Honestly, the JVC is a price point issue. Spending more than 3k for a replacement to a "working" projector will possibly get me on the wife's naughty list this time of year.
What format is the screen? 16:9 or 2.35:1/other?

For an 135" screen in 16:9 format surface area is 54.11 ft².

Measurements with 100% zoom.
Zoom Lens Light Loss. At the full telephoto setting, the loss of light compared with the full wide angle setting is 15%.




Bright has a green tint, Vivid has Brilliant Color on. BC may degrade the image color wise.

Cinema in Full lamp has 899lm.
899/54.11=16.61fL

The screen with the 0.7 or 0.9 gain:
16.61x0.7=11.62 ‬fL
16.621x0.9=14.94 fL

15-20fL is recommended for SDR, 30+fL for HDR, depending on the tone mapper.

Lamps loose brightness over time.

And all this assuming the projector is placed as close as possible to the screen.


The 5050UB would be a better option. It does have minor upgrades over the 5040UB, including the sharpness.
Maybe wait a while until 5050UB refurbished units become available, or pick up a used one.

LE: 5050UB measurements.
Zoom Lens Light Loss. Going from the widest to the full telephoto setting on the 2.1x zoom lens resulted in a little more than 28% loss of light.


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What format is the screen? 16:9 or 2.35:1/other?

For an 135" screen in 16:9 format surface area is 54.11 ft².

Measurements with 100% zoom.
Zoom Lens Light Loss. At the full telephoto setting, the loss of light compared with the full wide angle setting is 15%.




Bright has a green tint, Vivid has Brilliant Color on. BC may degrade the image color wise.

Cinema in Full lamp has 899lm.
899/54.11=16.61fL

The screen with the 0.7 or 0.9 gain:
16.61x0.7=11.62 ‬fL
16.621x0.9=14.94 fL

15-20fL is recommended for SDR, 30+fL for HDR, depending on the tone mapper.

Lamps loose brightness over time.

And all this assuming the projector is placed as close as possible to the screen.


The 5050UB would be a better option. It does have minor upgrades over the 5040UB, including the sharpness.
Maybe wait a while until 5050UB refurbished units become available, or pick up a used one.

LE: 5050UB measurements.
Zoom Lens Light Loss. Going from the widest to the full telephoto setting on the 2.1x zoom lens resulted in a little more than 28% loss of light.


Thank you for a more definitive answer. About the only item that comes in to play at this point is the post calibrated brightness. I have read and seen multiple reports that after calibration the additional lumusity of the Epson fades.

The Epson is in my price range right now. So after your post I'm leaning in that direction.

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... Also, the 5040 has issues with dealing with changed between SDR and HDR material.

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Isn't that a known issue with Epson projectors in general?
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Isn't that a known issue with Epson projectors in general?
With the 5040 - yes
Is it still so with the 5050??? That would be a deal-breaker!
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What are you talking?

I have zero issues on my 5040 with that...

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With the 5040 - yes
Is it still so with the 5050??? That would be a deal-breaker!
I have had no issue with that regarding the 5050, it's just not an instant switch (slower than some, faster than others).

On that note... Why is this thread in the Great Found Deals section?

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What are you talking?

I have zero issues on my 5040 with that...

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I have three sources attached to my AVR if I go from a 4k HDR Blu-ray and go directly to my HTPC it will often be blown out. Start at the HTPC and go over to my XBOX in HDR and it's to dark to deal with.

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how do you purchase the 5050 for $2550?
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The moderators probably moved this thread to the Deals section because the original post seemed to make pricing a key element in the consideration. If the original post had simply stated that the two projectors being considered were "comparably priced" instead of citing specific pricing then it probably wouldn't have been moved.
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