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I was there yesterday. The Microlite Black Crystal 1.8 looked really good in person despite tons of ambient light from the convention center. Don't judge them by my crappy iPhone shot. The full convention center lighting was pouring in. No sheen or sparkles at all on these!




Difference in brightness between upper and lower portions of screen are noticeable in that pic. Also black levels look greyish just like the Microlite F2 screen I saw in person.
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@Swolephile , buy something else then!
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Don't judge the picture from my iPhone 4. I thought it looked much better than the DNP HG23 next door, in person. And personally, if you plan on watching video with that amount of ambient light, you are out of your mind. Buy a TV instead. The full convention center lighting was pouring in there. Not to mention, those are business projectors.
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Difference in brightness between upper and lower portions of screen are noticeable in that pic. Also black levels look greyish just like the Microlite F2 screen I saw in person.

Consider the photo " for information purposes only ". I flew to Vegas specifically to see this screen in person, and 3 other things. It looked very good in person considering the challenging environment .
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Dave, you seem to be wondering earlier how Microlite is able to sustain their business over a long period. So I implied above their success might've more to do with their business in Asia as they seem to operate very well there. Apparently, there's quite a demand of these type of ALR screens, and as I said earlier, they're only one of two companies who can manufacture them. I don't think they have any problems with the funding wherever they decide to branch out (like here in the US).
I actually was just wondering in general - I didn't know it was Microlite. I guess I didn't understand the previous post, but thanks for explaining it (now I understand what you meant).

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Consider the photo " for information purposes only ". I flew to Vegas specifically to see this screen in person, and 3 other things. It looked very good in person considering the challenging environment .
Thanks so much Craig! I appreciate the info and hearing/seeing your experience.

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Ideal dark room would call for a white screen.
Lots of folks tend to say that, but a good ALR screen does provide a nice contrast boost in an ideal dark room.

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Thanks so much Craig! I appreciate the info and hearing/seeing your experience.

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I have the same challenge as the rest of you - it's very hard to judge screens from samples. Luckily, I live close enough to Las Vegas to take a quick 70 minute South West flight to see things in person. And lets thank my boss for buying me a plane ticket !

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Lots of folks tend to say that, but a good ALR screen does provide a nice contrast boost in an ideal dark room.

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I can only speak of the F2 and F3 that I've seen where I think this type of screen can bring something more to the table than what a regular white screen can do typically in an ideal room. Granted there are no artifacts and the ALR screens are as smooth as a white one - one advantage is the higher gain which can help with the added brightness of the image. Another could be the way it handles black images next to white as it might measure better than what a regular white screen does. So end result of it should provide an overall better image as you noted above.
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I have the same challenge as the rest of you - it's very hard to judge screens from samples. Luckily, I live close enough to Las Vegas to take a quick 70 minute South West flight to see things in person. And lets thank my boss for buying me a plane ticket !
If I'd known you were going, I would have asked if you could look at the Elite Prime Vision Darkstar 1.4 screen while you were there. From the samples, it seems to be very nice and my preference thus far.

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Don't judge the picture from my iPhone 4 .I thought it looked much better than the DNP HG23 next door, in person. And personally, if you plan on watching video with that amount of ambient light, you are out of your mind. Buy a TV instead. The full convention center lighting was pouring in there. Not to mention, those are business projectors.
Awesome, this is quite interesting. Can't wait to get my black crystal setup now. Thanks (and your boss) for going out and visiting the booth!
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If I'd known you were going, I would have asked if you could look at the Elite Prime Vision Darkstar 1.4 screen while you were there. From the samples, it seems to be very nice and my preference thus far.

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I would have tried, but the crowds were unbelievable. I also went looking for 4K Blu Ray players - only Samsung so far.

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Awesome, this is quite interesting. Can't wait to get my black crystal setup now. Thanks (and your boss) for going out and visiting the booth!

Is the price point of the black crystal closer to the low/mid grade ALR screens (Silver Ticket, Elite, SeymourAV), or higher end ones?
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Any new shipping dates? I was about to order mine on November for a December delivery; I am glad I didn't pull the trigger. I see the screens are still MIA.

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Is the price point of the black crystal closer to the low/mid grade ALR screens (Silver Ticket, Elite, SeymourAV), or higher end ones?
Depends on the frame and size. For a 120" screen it will be close to $2,000 range.

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Any new shipping dates? I was about to order mine on November for a December delivery; I am glad I didn't pull the trigger. I see the screens are still MIA.
No new shipping dates. Though I'm sure Michael will chime in within a few weeks with a new promise to ship. Then disappear for another 60 days.
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Btw, one of the things I want to check with Michael is how it will be possible to achieve HDR level performance from this screen once they are available.
HDR performance is determined only by the pj's dynamic range.

All a passive screen of any kind, including ALR, can do is a better or worse job of preventing ambient and/or re-reflected light from making the on-screen CR less than that of the pj.

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HDR performance is determined only by the pj's dynamic range.

All a passive screen of any kind, including ALR, can do is a better or worse job of preventing ambient and/or re-reflected light from making the on-screen CR less than that of the pj.
I was looking in terms of how the pj's own dynamic range can properly be shown or displayed best on a higher gain screen...in my case, with a JVC RS500. If I slide the iris lower to substantially increase its CR and use a 3.3 gain, such as the F3, then I'm practically using the pj's full CR range and still keep a decently bright image, as opposed to using the pj's increased lumens at the expense of some CR loss.
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I would have tried, but the crowds were unbelievable. I also went looking for 4K Blu Ray players - only Samsung so far.
What stood out for you at the show? I re-sized my pj image down to 77" to match the new LG OLED screen, sat closer to 6-7 ft. viewing distance and see if I can live with that size...um no - way too small! I can't view any closer than that but would like my field of view much wider. So I think 90-100" would be more ideal
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What stood out for you at the show? I re-sized my pj image down to 77" to match the new LG OLED screen, sat closer to 6-7 ft. viewing distance and see if I can live with that size...um no - way too small! I can't view any closer than that but would like my field of view much wider. So I think 90-100" would be more ideal

I was only there for one day to see JVC ( RS600 ), hear SVS's speakers ( other than their subwoofers, which I've owned for years myself ), see the new Darbee DVP - 5000S ( much nicer build quality now, and includes a cable and a IR extender ), and Martin Logan ( the new $ 25K electrostatic speakers were amazing ). And to pick up a cold virus. Mission accomplished.

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I was looking in terms of how the pj's own dynamic range can properly be shown or displayed best on a higher gain screen...in my case, with a JVC RS500. If I slide the iris lower to substantially increase its CR and use a 3.3 gain, such as the F3, then I'm practically using the pj's full CR range and still keep a decently bright image, as opposed to using the pj's increased lumens at the expense of some CR loss.
Hi Ximori. I have a similar pj setup; I don't have a screen at all at the moment, so I was wondering what other ALR screen would you or anyone with a similar setup recommend; I doubt that Microlite will start shipping anytime soon or at all, so I am looking for the best solution available. I watch everything from sports to movies to video games. Looking for a 120" about 15' throw in a multi-purpose room.

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Hi Ximori. I have a similar pj setup; I don't have a screen at all at the moment, so I was wondering what other ALR screen would you or anyone with a similar setup recommend; I doubt that Microlite will start shipping anytime soon or at all, so I am looking for the best solution available. I watch everything from sports to movies to video games. Looking for a 120" about 15' throw in a multi-purpose room.

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Probably best to start a new thread so more people see your post...
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Hi Ximori. I have a similar pj setup; I don't have a screen at all at the moment, so I was wondering what other ALR screen would you or anyone with a similar setup recommend; I doubt that Microlite will start shipping anytime soon or at all, so I am looking for the best solution available. I watch everything from sports to movies to video games. Looking for a 120" about 15' throw in a multi-purpose room.

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Hi - contact Craig Peer or Mike Garret for screen advice and be sure to mention your room dimension, degree of ambient lighting and where they're coming from, viewing distance, how many viewers typically watching, and what you're easily most bothered with when watching (such as screen artifacts, hot-spotting, narrow viewing cone, screen color uniformity, etc.), so they can work a solution for you.
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We are near the middle of January now. Where are the shipping updates?
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We are now in January and yet not one single member has stated they have received an order from Microlite. Yet Microlite miraculously has models available for show at CES. This is becoming an embarassment for AVS.
I have had a customer that has received a MicroLite screen. Also was told several should be shipping out this month.
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Hi - contact Craig Peer or Mike Garret for screen advice and be sure to mention your room dimension, degree of ambient lighting and where they're coming from, viewing distance, how many viewers typically watching, and what you're easily most bothered with when watching (such as screen artifacts, hot-spotting, narrow viewing cone, screen color uniformity, etc.), so they can work a solution for you.
A picture of the screen wall, no flash, adjust picture to show what the room actually looks like in person. Also you can use phone app to measure how much ambient light you have.
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I have had a customer that has received a MicroLite screen. Also was told several should be shipping out this month.
I wish he/she is an active member of the forum. I hope to see user reviews soon.

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I wish he/she is an active member of the forum. I hope to see user reviews soon.
I concur. Trying to get any info about Microlite's newest offerings is like pulling teeth. Their Panaroma screen still looks promising. It is a shame that the few people who do receive these screens don't come back and share info with other members here.

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Has anyone won the Microlite jackpot? Anyone?

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