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I upgraded my projector and now thinking of upgrading my screen. I currently have a Silver Ticket 110" 16x9 screen but considering a 115" 2.35:1 Stewart Cima Neve screen. What is the surface texture like on your CIMA? I feel like the Silver Ticket surface texture is perhaps becoming a limiting factor now for me since upgrading my projector (upgraded from an Optoma UHD60 to a Sony 695ES).
I'm also contemplating which screen to get for my JVC RS1000. Hard to justify getting a screen that costs as much as a nice OLED TV. Cima Neve is probably the most affordable option in a high end screen market. I've been debating exactly between those two sizes that you are considering. 115" 2.35:1 screen would be almost the max of my zoom range, but 16:9 picture on that screen would be a "tiny" 92". Hard to go that route while a big chunk of movies are delivered in 16:9 ratio.
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I'm also contemplating which screen to get for my JVC RS1000. Hard to justify getting a screen that costs as much as a nice OLED TV. Cima Neve is probably the most affordable option in a high end screen market. I've been debating exactly between those two sizes that you are considering. 115" 2.35:1 screen would be almost the max of my zoom range, but 16:9 picture on that screen would be a "tiny" 92". Hard to go that route while a big chunk of movies are delivered in 16:9 ratio.
I’m thinking about keeping the 110” fixed 16x9 and doing an electric 115” Cima screen that would roll down in front. Haven’t exactly figured it out but pretty sure I want two screens.
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I’m thinking about keeping the 110” fixed 16x9 and doing an electric 115” Cima screen that would roll down in front. Haven’t exactly figured it out but pretty sure I want two screens.
Having a 16:9 screen and a wider 2.35:1 screen is the best think I've ever done. Highly recommended ! The Cima Neve surface is extremely smooth and fine grained. Very close to the StudioTek 130.
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Almost zero. I have foam board cut to fit the window openings, plastic slat blinds and the drapes over each window.

Sounds dedicated - I do not have that option as the room is a living room whenever I am not watching movies. But my side walls look similar to yours, they are a 45% grey, while my front, ceiling and back are 65% neutral grey. Both much darker than the HD Progressive 0.6 sample



The side with windows have a ~50% neutral grey black out curtain that are completely impenetrable, of cause leaving some "streaks" of light during daytime around the curtain. But it is dark enough that I can not see my remote on the black coffee table. Taking this and that I have no door from the cinema room to the hallway, where more light leaks under the doors, I am trying to figure out if I can consider this "low" or "very low ambient" light and if the "very light grey" HD Progressive 0.9 would be the best..









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Having a 16:9 screen and a wider 2.35:1 screen is the best think I've ever done. Highly recommended ! The Cima Neve surface is extremely smooth and fine grained. Very close to the StudioTek 130.

Thanks for the info Craig!
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Sounds dedicated - I do not have that option as the room is a living room whenever I am not watching movies. But my side walls look similar to yours, they are a 45% grey, while my front, ceiling and back are 65% neutral grey. Both much darker than the HD Progressive 0.6 sample


The side with windows have a ~50% neutral grey black out curtain that are completely impenetrable, of cause leaving some "streaks" of light during daytime around the curtain. But it is dark enough that I can not see my remote on the black coffee table. Taking this and that I have no door from the cinema room to the hallway, where more light leaks under the doors, I am trying to figure out if I can consider this "low" or "very low ambient" light and if the "very light grey" HD Progressive 0.9 would be the best..


If it's nearly pitch black and the room is fairly non reflective, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it "very low ambient" light and go for a screen like a Cima Neve or StudioTek 130.
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Thanks for the info Craig!
While I have two electric screens, one fixed and one electric is less expensive. With projectors that have power zoom / focus / lens shift and lens memory, it's pretty easy to do. Get some cheap black velvet curtains to hide the fixed screen if need be and you are all set !
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If it's nearly pitch black and the room is fairly non reflective, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it "very low ambient" light and go for a screen like a Cima Neve or StudioTek 130.

I am awaiting Neve samples, but expecting the price to much higher than HD Progressives.


I have some glass cabinets and framed posters in the room, so reflections are probably a thing. In another old thread a guy reported that replacing his 2.4 High Power screen with a JKP 1.1 elevated the black levels (??).

- I do like the pop of my current 1.3 CV, but I am sure HD 1.1 will have similar.



So that is why I was thinking the 0.9 might be good or even the 1.1 Contrast to tame those reflections. Looking at the official decision tree flyer from Dalite, does not make it easier.





- If I want accurate color and can control ambient light, I should choose either HD 1.1 or 1.3, but if I need high contrast, I should take 0.6 or 1.1 Con.



So the 0.9 end up being neither accurate color or high contrast .....





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If it's nearly pitch black and the room is fairly non reflective, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it "very low ambient" light and go for a screen like a Cima Neve or StudioTek 130.

A bit off topic question, but can I consider the light level my JVC X30 displays when in blanking/hide mode the lowest black/light level it will display ever?? If so, this is the lowest denominator as the brightness on the screen in this mode, is brighter than with the projector off and curtains closed during a bright sunny day...


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If it's nearly pitch black and the room is fairly non reflective, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it "very low ambient" light and go for a screen like a Cima Neve or StudioTek 130.

Hi Craig.


Does your Neve has black backing??? The samples I received are identical white on both sides.
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I also got Cima sample, one side has label. Which side is the actual screen surface or are they identical?
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Does your Neve has black backing??? The samples I received are identical white on both sides.
No black backing. Of course I have black curtains behind mine.
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I also got Cima sample, one side has label. Which side is the actual screen surface or are they identical?
The label side is the side that faces you.
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No black backing. Of course I have black curtains behind mine.



hmm. What is the motivation behind this from Stewart? Without black backing, light will leak through (my Cinema Vision does not have the black backing, but I see never versions of it has)
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I imagine motivation for no black backing is to cut costs.
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hmm. What is the motivation behind this from Stewart? Without black backing, light will leak through (my Cinema Vision does not have the black backing, but I see never versions of it has)

I'm not seeing where light can leak through in my theater.
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You sir, have a beautiful room! Is there a thread with more pics?
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Well, I finally pulled the trigger last night and ordered a 115" 2.35:1 Fixed Frame Stewart Cima Neve screen to replace my current 16x9 110" Silver Ticket screen. I unexpectedly received a spot bonus at work, and told my wife, I have some good news and some great news. The good news I got a bonus at work, the great news is I am spending it on the home theater! She was less enthused than I had hoped, but I told her don't worry, I still have enough left over to take you out to dinner!
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Congrats on making a decision!
I'm in analysis paralysis as to whether I should get a wider 115" 2.35 screen, or a 16:9 110" or 115".
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You sir, have a beautiful room! Is there a thread with more pics?
Thanks you. I had a photo album here but maybe I should start a new theater thread.
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Congrats on making a decision!
I'm in analysis paralysis as to whether I should get a wider 115" 2.35 screen, or a 16:9 110" or 115".
Thanks, pretty excited about it! I am also thinking a few months down the road I will get an electric tab tensioned 110” Silver Ticket that can come down over the Cima screen when I want to watch 16x9 content. The price is pretty reasonable in the 600 dollar range.
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Received my 115” Cima screen today. So, total time from ordering to receiving was about 12 days. I unpacked, assembled and mounted it to my wall but haven’t had a chance to test it yet. The screen material looks great on first inspection and I cannot see any visible texture. I ordered the fixed frame version and I was able to put it up by myself without any assistance, so that was pretty cool.
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Looking forward to your impressions coming from 16:9 Silver Ticket!
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Here are some screen shots of my Cima Neve with overhead lighting on in my theater ( it's brighter than it looks in there - hard to photograph ). Even though this is a white screen, if you can keep direct lighting off the screen, it still looks great for HDTV. Of course movies look even better with the lights off.
Great survey. I'm additionally considering this equivalent screen in the wake of conversing with Craig. I'm in a storm cellar without any windows and complete light controlled. The room size is around 37' x 34' (1200 sq. ft.), I'll consider it a media room. Seating separation will be around 15'. At the point when I'm watching films all lights will be off. At the point when I have a couple of individuals over for sports seeing a light or two may be on however they will be diminish, roundabout, and 20' to 30' away. Would it be advisable for me to even now think about this screen, will these diminish aberrant lights wash out the screen?
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Ok, I had a chance to watch some content on the Cima. I watched the first 6 minutes of Toy Story 4 and the final battle scene of Hobbs and Shaw, as well as Ready Player One. The first thing that I noticed was the absolute sharpness/clarity. It was like my old screen needed a prescription for glasses and my new screen is the glasses. In terms of screen texture, I looked really hard for it and the only time I could discern any texture was during very bright scenes, like sky scenes with clouds, but it was only noticeable if I was looking for it.The next thing I noticed was the improved HDR brightness. My screen has about 600 hours on the bulb and has definitely dipped down in terms of brightness. But with the Cima, it's like I have a brand new bulb and HDR really pops now. Based on what I saw, I think this unit is definitely closer to 1.2 or 1.3 in terms of gain vs the 1.1 gain reported, but that is totally a good thing. The third thing I noticed was how deep black levels are with this screen. I had good black levels before, but with the Cima, they are at a whole new level. In addition to great black levels (and great contrast for that matter), colors really pop on this thing as well. Honestly, it feels like I got a whole new projector this screen is so good. I expected it to be an upgrade, but I didn't expect it to be this much of an impact. I think this screen is easily worth twice or three times what it costs, it really is that good and that's no exaggeration. I wasn't realizing my projector's potential without it. That much is clear to me now.
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Great survey. I'm additionally considering this equivalent screen in the wake of conversing with Craig. I'm in a storm cellar without any windows and complete light controlled. The room size is around 37' x 34' (1200 sq. ft.), I'll consider it a media room. Seating separation will be around 15'. At the point when I'm watching films all lights will be off. At the point when I have a couple of individuals over for sports seeing a light or two may be on however they will be diminish, roundabout, and 20' to 30' away. Would it be advisable for me to even now think about this screen, will these diminish aberrant lights wash out the screen?
It's better - no matter what the screen - if you don't have lights on behind you. No screen will reject that lighting since it's coming from the same direction as light from the projector. Put some recessed can lights in the ceiling over your seating, on dimmers. Put up some curtains / drapes behind you to block that light. Then you will be good with the Cima Neve.
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Ok, I had a chance to watch some content on the Cima. I watched the first 6 minutes of Toy Story 4 and the final battle scene of Hobbs and Shaw, as well as Ready Player One. The first thing that I noticed was the absolute sharpness/clarity. It was like my old screen needed a prescription for glasses and my new screen is the glasses. In terms of screen texture, I looked really hard for it and the only time I could discern any texture was during very bright scenes, like sky scenes with clouds, but it was only noticeable if I was looking for it.The next thing I noticed was the improved HDR brightness. My screen has about 600 hours on the bulb and has definitely dipped down in terms of brightness. But with the Cima, it's like I have a brand new bulb and HDR really pops now. Based on what I saw, I think this unit is definitely closer to 1.2 or 1.3 in terms of gain vs the 1.1 gain reported, but that is totally a good thing. The third thing I noticed was how deep black levels are with this screen. I had good black levels before, but with the Cima, they are at a whole new level. In addition to great black levels (and great contrast for that matter), colors really pop on this thing as well. Honestly, it feels like I got a whole new projector this screen is so good. I expected it to be an upgrade, but I didn't expect it to be this much of an impact. I think this screen is easily worth twice or three times what it costs, it really is that good and that's no exaggeration. I wasn't realizing my projector's potential without it. That much is clear to me now.
It really is close to the StudioTek 130. If you want to spend more and want a slightly better screen, you could always buy the ST130. But the Cima Neve is damn close for 2/3'rds the cost.
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Ok, I had a chance to watch some content on the Cima......... It was like my old screen needed a prescription for glasses and my new screen is the glasses..........The next thing I noticed was the improved HDR brightness. My screen has about 600 hours on the bulb and has definitely dipped down in terms of brightness. But with the Cima, it's like I have a brand new bulb and HDR really pops now.........The third thing I noticed was how deep black levels are with this screen. I had good black levels before, but with the Cima, they are at a whole new level. In addition to great black levels (and great contrast for that matter), colors really pop on this thing as well. Honestly, it feels like I got a whole new projector this screen is so good. I expected it to be an upgrade, but I didn't expect it to be this much of an impact. I think this screen is easily worth twice or three times what it costs, it really is that good and that's no exaggeration. I wasn't realizing my projector's potential without it. That much is clear to me now.

There is a HUGE difference between buying from someone who re-markets vinyl material as a screen seller versus someone who has 70+ years of screen manufacturing. Its unfortunate that for every one like you there is 500 who think a white screen is a white screen.

Makes me happy to see your outcome! Enjoy!

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There is a HUGE difference between buying from someone who re-markets vinyl material as a screen seller versus someone who has 70+ years of screen manufacturing. Its unfortunate that for every one like you there is 500 who think a white screen is a white screen.

Makes me happy to see your outcome! Enjoy!

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Received my 115” Cima screen today. So, total time from ordering to receiving was about 12 days. I unpacked, assembled and mounted it to my wall but haven’t had a chance to test it yet. The screen material looks great on first inspection and I cannot see any visible texture. I ordered the fixed frame version and I was able to put it up by myself without any assistance, so that was pretty cool.



115"? in 16:9 format??
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