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Dreamscreen has v5 material for an 154" diag 2.35:1 screen for 499 euros. Is it worth triple price to go with v6 or 7? Or should I just jump on this deal. It's the size I was going for. Seems right. Not sure if the XD from Seymour would be better also.

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How significant is the additional db loss in the V7 over V6, if I only have my center channel (and subs) behind the screen? Will this be easy enough to compensate with Audyssey and bumping up the gain for the center? My left and right channel speakers are already outside the screen.
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I have AT electric masks on my Screen Research screen, and the fabric of the mask is very AT but isn't that dark at all, so the projector can still light up the fabric enough to make it stand out against a well treated screen wall.



I wonder if an optimal can be to get the LR just outside of the screen edge for many screen sizes, and have properly dark masks.


That’s what I was afraid of. It doesn’t look dark in the photos.
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One man's blessing is another man's curse...

I have AT electric masks on my Screen Research screen, and the fabric of the mask is very AT but isn't that dark at all, so the projector can still light up the fabric enough to make it stand out against a well treated screen wall.

I wonder if an optimal can be to get the LR just outside of the screen edge for many screen sizes, and have properly dark masks.
Are you masking image or black bar? AT masking is not that dark, since it is usually an open weave. But I never see anything lighting up my masking, since I am masking unused screen or black bar, no image. I do have a scope screen, so I am mainly masking unused screen.
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Are you masking image or black bar? AT masking is not that dark, since it is usually an open weave. But I never see anything lighting up my masking, since I am masking unused screen or black bar, no image. I do have a scope screen, so I am mainly masking unused screen.
Masking is of black bar area of the projector, but it is projected black bar and not purely unused screen.
It is nearly never visible. However if the masks are closed and I have a fade to black, or hit hide, then the masked area peaks through.
It could be a combination of the screen fabric (Clearpix 4k) and the mask material.

It's not the end of the world, but still you can wish it were a bit better (given the price of these mask screens).
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Masking is of black bar area of the projector, but it is projected black bar and not purely unused screen.
It is nearly never visible. However if the masks are closed and I have a fade to black, or hit hide, then the masked area peaks through.
It could be a combination of the screen fabric (Clearpix 4k) and the mask material.

It's not the end of the world, but still you can wish it were a bit better (given the price of these mask screens).
Since its AT material I did a test with my current non-AT screen. I put on a movie and used one of my speaker grill and hold it up where black bars are. Not as dark as pure black velvet but much darker than the black bar itself. And my speaker grill cloth is almost see through that I use on Klipsch RP 280 speaker. They do make darker less see through speaker cloth out there such as GOM fabric and I'm confident it would be total black at the black bar area. That's my plan once I build AT masking panels.
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Since its AT material I did a test with my current non-AT screen. I put on a movie and used one of my speaker grill and hold it up where black bars are. Not as dark as pure black velvet but much darker than the black bar itself. And my speaker grill cloth is almost see through that I use on Klipsch RP 280 speaker. They do make darker less see through speaker cloth out there such as GOM fabric and I'm confident it would be total black at the black bar area. That's my plan once I build AT masking panels.
A movie is no use - you won't see the bars with a movie on the rest of the screen. it tends to happen when there is nothing else on screen. When there is nothing on screen you'll see the main screen area lit up by the projector a bit, and the masks lit up a tiny bit.
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I received my sample of V7. last night I hung it up in front of my V6 screen and wow, what a difference. Yes, it is brighter. Its a very visible improvement in brightness.

I did not take pictures sorry. But anyone who has an AT screen and feel then need more brightness this will be a visible upgrade from V6. I have had V6 material for almost 2-years now and loved it. I looked at all the other "affordable" AT materials woven perf..etc and they all were somewhat compromised in close seating. The V6 material can not be seen up close. The V7 is the same but visibly brighter.

I did not test for sound db loss. That is not a priority for me because my room correction will adjust for the loss.

Now lets work on a pre-order power buy

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I received my sample of V7. last night I hung it up in front of my V6 screen and wow, what a difference. Yes, it is brighter. Its a very visible improvement in brightness.

I did not take pictures sorry. But anyone who has an AT screen and feel then need more brightness this will be a visible upgrade from V6. I have had V6 material for almost 2-years now and loved it. I looked at all the other "affordable" AT materials woven perf..etc and they all were somewhat compromised in close seating. The V6 material can not be seen up close. The V7 is the same but visibly brighter.

I did not test for sound db loss. That is not a priority for me because my room correction will adjust for the loss.

Now lets work on a pre-order power buy

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V6 is around 1.5db loss.
V7 is around 3.5db loss.
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I received my sample of V7. last night I hung it up in front of my V6 screen and wow, what a difference. Yes, it is brighter. Its a very visible improvement in brightness.

I did not take pictures sorry. But anyone who has an AT screen and feel then need more brightness this will be a visible upgrade from V6. I have had V6 material for almost 2-years now and loved it. I looked at all the other "affordable" AT materials woven perf..etc and they all were somewhat compromised in close seating. The V6 material can not be seen up close. The V7 is the same but visibly brighter.

I did not test for sound db loss. That is not a priority for me because my room correction will adjust for the loss.

Now lets work on a pre-order power buy

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Cheers for the impressions, Jerry! Artifact wise did you notice any amount of shimmering/sparkling?
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Cheers for the impressions, Jerry! Artifact wise did you notice any amount of shimmering/sparkling?
Howiee, zero artifacts or negative issues. It looked just as smooth, clear, and detailed as the V6 material beside it, but brighter. Exactly what we would expect.
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Howiee, zero artifacts or negative issues. It looked just as smooth, clear, and detailed as the V6 material beside it, but brighter. Exactly what we would expect.
Sounds like a winner!
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Howiee, zero artifacts or negative issues. It looked just as smooth, clear, and detailed as the V6 material beside it, but brighter. Exactly what we would expect.
Yes, only differences is V7 is brighter and 3.5db loss vs 1.5db loss for V6
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Yes, only differences is V7 is brighter and 3.5db loss vs 1.5db loss for V6


Multiple reflective layer screens like the V7 are a bad idea in general , no ?

You get cross-light pixel contamination, a reduction of detail and worse ANSI contrast. I would think the v7 picture quality, for these reasons, will be a major compromise compared to v6 and Seymour AT products !
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Multiple reflective layer screens like the V7 are a bad idea in general , no ?

You get cross-light pixel contamination, a reduction of detail and worse ANSI contrast. I would think the v7 picture quality, for these reasons, will be a major compromise compared to v6 and Seymour AT products !
That would certainly depend on the engineering, and our patented method is quite unique as such... I guess seeing is believing, but the overall principle would be to reduce the depth of each layer to a minimum, and also to use an array of densities that would not compromise sharpness. Sure, placing several layers of a knit, and especially a thicker knit, would reduce sharpness. Even one layered knit of many variants and types has internal cross contaminations. In sum, due to our custom design of each and every layer as well as the bonded nature of the fabric, the sharpness is not reduced on the v7 in comparison to the v6.

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...just took a couple of shots with my iPhone on the v7 installed in our main reference room. JVC DLA-N7 and a DCI lens. Not the perfect "proof of pudding" shots for sure, but the screen really appears very sharp. On the eye closeup shot I have placed a sheet of paper to the right.



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...well, the eye-image flipped around for some reason, so paper to the left...

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Multiple reflective layer screens like the V7 are a bad idea in general , no ?

You get cross-light pixel contamination, a reduction of detail and worse ANSI contrast. I would think the v7 picture quality, for these reasons, will be a major compromise compared to v6 and Seymour AT products !
I can tell you from seeing it in person in my theater there is no visible compromise at all pictures quality-wise between the V6 and V7 other than a brighter image. I had the V7 hanging right in front of my V6 screen. I walked up to it and looked very close to that. The last thing I wish to do is make one part of the image better (brighter) but hut another (image detail).

I say just order a sample and see for your self. I ordered mine directly from Dreamscreen. I got it within a week.
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Multiple reflective layer screens like the V7 are a bad idea in general , no ?

You get cross-light pixel contamination, a reduction of detail and worse ANSI contrast. I would think the v7 picture quality, for these reasons, will be a major compromise compared to v6 and Seymour AT products !
I own V6 and have a sample of V7. I can't tell a difference in sharpness between V6 and V7. Made you should get samples of Neo, V6 and V7 and compare, like I have.
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I just got my sample of V6 in the mail and I must say I'm a little conflicted by it. I was expecting a slam dunk...
Current screen is a Screen Research Clearpix 4k AT woven on a 92" AT top /bottom masking screen.

Offering up the A3 size sample to the screen I note:
  • (+) Absolutely no visible weave structure (a big improvement over the Clearpix 4k, easily visible at my seating distance, that is my main annoyance and reason I'm looking at other surfaces)
  • (-) Observable reduction in edge sharpness on the V6 vs Clearpix 4k, which surprised me given postings from others (on abeit huge screens) about pixel grids becoming visible.
  • No significant difference in gain (will measure later)

I wonder if my comparatively small size (92", smaller than any screen Dreanscreen actually sell pre-made) is a factor here in the loss of sharpness? Am I being unreasonable in expecting it to be sharper? Or just dumb? I don't think I've ever seen unfavourable mention of the sharpness for this surface.

On balance, would I prefer the reduction in grain structure at a small sharpness penalty? Probably, but just leaves me with that little doubt.
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I just got my sample of V6 in the mail and I must say I'm a little conflicted by it. I was expecting a slam dunk...
Current screen is a Screen Research Clearpix 4k AT woven on a 92" AT top /bottom masking screen.

Offering up the A3 size sample to the screen I note:
  • (+) Absolutely no visible weave structure (a big improvement over the Clearpix 4k, easily visible at my seating distance, that is my main annoyance and reason I'm looking at other surfaces)
  • (-) Observable reduction in edge sharpness on the V6 vs Clearpix 4k, which surprised me given postings from others (on abeit huge screens) about pixel grids becoming visible.
  • No significant difference in gain (will measure later)

I wonder if my comparatively small size (92", smaller than any screen Dreanscreen actually sell pre-made) is a factor here in the loss of sharpness? Am I being unreasonable in expecting it to be sharper? Or just dumb? I don't think I've ever seen unfavourable mention of the sharpness for this surface.

On balance, would I prefer the reduction in grain structure at a small sharpness penalty? Probably, but just leaves me with that little doubt.
Its possible the grain structure you're seeing is from your projector?

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