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post #241 of 336 Old 08-10-2019, 01:18 PM
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So, while I have not seen any of the fabric samples you have compared to here - one important thing you need to make sure of when comparing is to use a black backing also on the other fabrics that does not have one integrated. Since you are referring to the UltraWeave as "grey" I presume you might have not used a black backing on the others as most AT fabrics would appear "greyish" when mixing in the backing. Also, without a backing on the others you would combine the reflection of the sample and the wall / fabric / whatever reflective in its back.

In general, the UltraWeave is certainly not "dim". It has a real gain value of 0.8 benchmarked vs. the Studiotek 100. Some of the coarser weaves has up to 0.9, but at the cost of AT. Spandex has typically about 0.7 and most other finer weaves (albeit not as fine as the UltraWeave made possible by using our patented hybrid layout designing and custom manufacturing this fabric...) has about 0.75-0.8.

As for acoustical transparency, I have been testing - and testing live that is - a huge number of screen materials as well as various compositions of our patented layout the past 12 years or so with our reference Alcons Audio CRMS system installed in the baffle residing behind the screen. The difference between a 1,5dB v6 and a 3-5dB drop alternative is - for my ears at least - substantial. Perhaps not that much when SPL is at reference level - but I mean - even movies that feature reference level audio has subtle parts. Also, if blockage is sufficiently high, I would say past 4dB at peak (which is the case for a lot of the coarser, higher gain weaves) - the sound also appears as somewhat muffled (like speaking into a box) even at quite substantial SPL´s.

As such, our aim has always been to find the best possible combination of video and audio performance, whereas the audio performance is as important in my mind as video. We will continue to try to improve on all aspects of our patented hybrid weave + knit layout, but will certainly keep our focus on maintaining the audio performance while doing so.

We will be back at CEDIA @ Denver in September alongside Alcons Audio again, so if anyone is in the area please feel free to step by for a stellar demo!
We use a piece of black felt behind our samples when we do our testing. The DreamScreen sample that we have is definitely grey compared to those other samples. And even when we just hold the samples in our hands, the DreamScreen is noticably greyer. Even though I only have a POS camera on my phone, I can try to take some pics, as well as one of sparkle, but they probably won't come out very good. I also need to figure out how to upload pics here.

As far as audio goes, I haven't been able to test that, as all I have so far are some samples. I don't even have any speakers yet!
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We use a piece of black felt behind our samples when we do our testing. The DreamScreen sample that we have is definitely grey compared to those other samples. And even when we just hold the samples in our hands, the DreamScreen is noticably greyer. Even though I only have a POS camera on my phone, I can try to take some pics, as well as one of sparkle, but they probably won't come out very good. I also need to figure out how to upload pics here.

As far as audio goes, I haven't been able to test that, as all I have so far are some samples. I don't even have any speakers yet!
OK, good with the black felt at least. I guess for the conclusions it might be a good idea to wait for a new sample... If the other samples are typically a bit more roughly woven variants like the XD they will appear whiter though. The UltraWeave uses a very tightly woven ultra thin front layer, which is certainly much finer than the alternative woven single layers, but also a bit more transparent in terms of light. Even though you can see through this initial layer (onto the knitted backing layers, first a white layer and then a black backing layer, both integrated / bonded) when looking at the fabric close up, however, when reflecting light from it, your eyes are only perceiving the structure of the initial woven layer. This is also the patent of the fabric, i.e. an initial ultra fine woven surface coating and a secondary knitted, much coarser one.

Using only a single woven layer of thicker threads - albeit it will a times provide a little more gain (but often at the cost of speckle as many manufacturers gloss the threads used to increase gain) allows for less air to pass through, which again leads to lower AT. A "quick test" in terms of AT is to just blow through the sample. You should make sure you include the black backing when you blow through the alternatives. Other than that, the rougher weave also has far more visible structural appearance than the UltraWeave, which basically emulates a regular PVC-based (non-AT) surface coating. So, although you might be able to obtain a little gain - let´s say 10-15% by choosing a coarser basic weave, you would loose out on the structural appearance and AT.

Higher gain is not the case for all coarser weaves BTW, for example the Screen Research 4K woven material measures a little lower gain than the v6 in our lab, but this is also quite acoustically transparent (about 2,4dB on average compared to about 1,5dB on the v6). However, again, the structural appearance of the v6 is way finer and the black backing is integrated on the v6. So, increasing gain beyond the Screen Research on a single layer basic weave, like the XD for example, is done by tightening up the weave - which again is at the (high) cost of AT...

As for the comment on speckle I am really not sure what is causing this other than the sample being somehow contaminated. I am extremely fantastisk absolutely obsessed by speckle, and we are custom bleaching the threads used in the UltraWeave to obtain that ultra matte appearance that also secures no speckle. So, again, awaiting a new sample would be my advice although if gain is your ultimate goal in this and AT is not of critical importance and you have sufficient seating distance I am sure you will be pleased with something else, we can´t win em´ all...
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I should also add that proper light reflection comparisons should be made out after D65 benchmarking the samples. Please notice that while we custom dye the fabric to hit D65 with >98-99% perfection, a lot of the others use readily made threads to make out their fabrics to avoid the cost of custom dye (which requires massive production volumes...). Many of these fabrics are too blue, green or whatever - a tint you need to spend light from the projector calibrating off. Again, if D65 is not of importance to you this might not be relevant either, but you can easily have to discard 5% of the light available to compensate for various types of tints in fabric not sufficiently D65 neutral.

However, upon first "glance" a D65 dyed fabric always looks more "dim" than a blueish tinted fabric - which looks more "paper white" in comparison to the D65 variant. D65 white actually looks quite yellowish compared to a white sheet of paper, but that is how it is supposed to be and how the movies and all video content is actually mastered which is also why you want your fabric to appear as neutral as possible in such regards.
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Just a little reminder and update on the upcoming CEDIA show. DreamScreen is yet again part of the magnificent Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience demo, located at Soundroom 13 (SR-13). Alcons will be featuring a full 9.x(6).6 layout, processed by Storm Audio, featuring their CRMS (Cinema Reference Monitoring System) consisting of a 3-way CRMS as LCR´s, CRMS compacts as surrounds and the new CRMS 18" ultra long excursion driver sub. Alcons is truly an amazing system, we have had it installed at our showroom in Oslo for more than 10 years now functioning as our reference audio system - a vital tool in the development of the best possible AT screen. The clarity & detail in combination with endless power without ever producing distortion is simply unique.

For such an amazing system you would certainly place emphasis on all other components not reducing its potential, and the screen is of high importance as such. The UltraWeave has one of the lowest acoustical blockage levels available, with an average of only about 1,5dB, maxing out at about 2dB @ 20KHz. PVC weaves often maxes out at 4-5 dB, while micro perforated PVC might remove as much as 10dB or even more from the high frequencies. Although you can compensate using EQ, you can always hear the difference between a highly transparent fabric and one that is less so. Some even sound muffled, and micro details is easily lost if the blockage is too great. I do feel people in general might be placing too little attention to the different acoustical blockage levels, which is very important for systems able to produce nuance and detail like the Alcons is a very good example of.

So, as for video we will be using a 3,5m wide 2.40:1 native frame this year, and the UltraWeave v6 yet again. Sony is supplying a VPL-VW5000 4K laser projector, while Shawn Kelly will be bringing in a Panamorph DCI lens for added brightness and full usage of the 4K panel. Kris Deering @ www.deepdiveav.com will perform the calibration and he will also bring in a Radiance Pro to assure proper tone mapping performance. I really look forward to seeing what a proper calibration and the Radiance Pro is able to do with the HDR performance of the VW5000!

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Just received the new sample of the dream screen from Norway, and it was perfect! Night and day difference from the first sample. No sparkle! The first sample was yellower, and darker. The 2nd one was whiter, and slightly brighter. The first one was also a little thicker. Thank you for sending the sample. Now my question is, if we order this screen how do we know which one were getting? Do you guarantee the quality? I really love the new sample of this screen, but not first one with sparkles. I guess I want assurance I won't be stuck with the sparkly version I got first.
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Just received the new sample of the dream screen from Norway, and it was perfect! Night and day difference from the first sample. No sparkle! The first sample was yellower, and darker. The 2nd one was whiter, and slightly brighter. The first one was also a little thicker. Thank you for sending the sample. Now my question is, if we order this screen how do we know which one were getting? Do you guarantee the quality? I really love the new sample of this screen, but not first one with sparkles. I guess I want assurance I won't be stuck with the sparkly version I got first.

Great! I can assure you no screen material from us will ever appear like the other sample you are describing. I guess it would have had to be damaged / polluted during shipment somehow. Regardless, please rest assured any fabric ordered from DreamScreen will always be top notch quality; custom inspected and packaged very extensively to avoid any damage.


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I'll be placing an order later today for 120" wide 16:9 V6 to replace by 120" wide 2.37 2009 DIY Designer White curved screen.

AV Science had a good early black Friday sale, and it was my long term plan to go AT screen, with my HTM-12's flanking it on outside and the center behind.

Projector is the RS400, currently have a UH-480 lens being used for scope.

Plan on install Thanksgiving weekend.

Here you can see the increase in height, which will be noticed for gaming and sport events.
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I'll be placing an order later today for 120" wide 16:9 V6 to replace by 120" wide 2.37 2009 DIY Designer White curved screen.

AV Science had a good early black Friday sale, and it was my long term plan to go AT screen, with my HTM-12's flanking it on outside and the center behind.

Projector is the RS400, currently have a UH-480 lens being used for scope.

Plan on install Thanksgiving weekend.

Here you can see the increase in height, which will be noticed for gaming and sport events.
Nice! I absolutely love my screen. Now if only v7 or v8 could come in a > 1.0 gain version 🙂
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Nice! I absolutely love my screen. Now if only v7 or v8 could come in a > 1.0 gain version


There must be technical limitations or the trade off of gain vs AT-ness or pixel resolution/ etc or I’m sure it would have been reached by now.


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My screen being delivered this upcoming Monday 11/18,
I’ll post impressions and comparison to my solid screen .
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Well that was quick, I listed my old screen expecting to take 2-3 weeks to sell it, and it sold in a few hours!!
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We´re happy to announce a new "v7" revision of our UltraWeave. This version will not replace the v6, but sold parallell. The gain has been increased by 16% from the v6 (0.8 rated), now at an official rating of 0.93. We have increased the gain by adding yet another custom made layer as well as adjusting the others (not the front woven layer though, it remains the same as for the v6), so now four layers in total.

Like the v6, the v7 follows the unity gain principle, meaning there is zero speckle / shimmer or other artefacts caused by positive gain. As stated above, the front "ultra" weave layer is the same, so the overall sharpness and appearance is very much like the v6 except for the added gain. We have benchmarked it towards Studiotek 100 as the reference (our favourite non-AT fabric) as well as the tightest woven matte screen we have been able to find, and it measures about 8% more than this particular 1.1 mfg rated AT fabric (0.86 vs. 0.93 on the v7).

Although there might still be some woven fabrics that inherit a little more gain, that would normally only be possible adding gloss / shine to the thread / fabric. I am sure some of you will get your hands on a sample soon and can start comparing. Compared to any of those high gain weaves the density of the v7 is in a completely different ballpark, allowing for closer seating and guaranteed no moiré at any resolution or projection technology.

The v6 remains our most audiophile option with an average loss of 1,5dB through the screen, while the v7 has an average of 3,3dB. We just tested the v7 in our Alcons equipped reference room today, and the audio appears to be flowing quite fine still. It will certainly be under critical test in some weeks time when we showcase it officially for the first time alongside Alcons Audio @Boot h 6H-150 at the ISE show on February 11.-14. in Amsterdam. Later on at CEDIA, also alongside Alcons.

Limited deliveries are estimated spring / summer 2020, and will first be delivered in sizes of 2,3x4m / 90 1/2" x 157 1/2" and 2,3x5,3m / 90 1/2e" x 208 3/4". Price will be about 25% higher than the current v6 due to increased manufacturing costs.

The v6 is also available now in a new "medium" 2,3x4,5m / 90 1/2" x 177" roll size, MSRP is 1499.



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We´re happy to announce a new "v7" revision of our UltraWeave. This version will not replace the v6, but sold parallell. The gain has been increased by 16% from the v6 (0.8 rated), now at an official rating of 0.93. We have increased the gain by adding yet another custom made layer as well as adjusting the others (not the front woven layer though, it remains the same as for the v6), so now four layers in total.

Like the v6, the v7 follows the unity gain principle, meaning there is zero speckle / shimmer or other artefacts caused by positive gain. As stated above, the front "ultra" weave layer is the same, so the overall sharpness and appearance is very much like the v6 except for the added gain. We have benchmarked it towards Studiotek 100 as the reference (our favourite non-AT fabric) as well as the tightest woven matte screen we have been able to find, and it measures about 8% more than this particular 1.1 mfg rated AT fabric (0.86 vs. 0.93 on the v7).

Although there might still be some woven fabrics that inherit a little more gain, that would normally only be possible adding gloss / shine to the thread / fabric. I am sure some of you will get your hands on a sample soon and can start comparing. Compared to any of those high gain weaves the density of the v7 is in a completely different ballpark, allowing for closer seating and guaranteed no moiré at any resolution or projection technology.

The v6 remains our most audiophile option with an average loss of 1,5dB through the screen, while the v7 has an average of 3,3dB. We just tested the v7 in our Alcons equipped reference room today, and the audio appears to be flowing quite fine still. It will certainly be under critical test in some weeks time when we showcase it officially for the first time alongside Alcons Audio @Boot h 6H-150 at the ISE show on February 11.-14. in Amsterdam. Later on at CEDIA, also alongside Alcons.

Limited deliveries are estimated spring / summer 2020, and will first be delivered in sizes of 2,3x4m / 90 1/2" x 157 1/2" and 2,3x5,3m / 90 1/2e" x 208 3/4". Price will be about 25% higher than the current v6 due to increased manufacturing costs.

The v6 is also available now in a new "medium" 2,3x4,5m / 90 1/2" x 177" roll size, MSRP is 1499.
Excellent news! I'm excited to see this new material sample when it comes available and looks like the delivery timeline may line up well with my build
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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6.
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OK, so how is this retrofitted to a Stewart Screen Frame?
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OK, so how is this retrofitted to a Stewart Screen Frame?
You would be using our universal grip rails when retrofitting existing frames. You would need to find a fitting slot in the back of the frame, just over 5/8 inch wide, and glue the rails down. Our in-house developed "UltraTucker" really makes installation of the new fabric a breeze once the rails are in place. Video:
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Exciting stuff! Do you guys deliver to the UK and are samples available?
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Thanks!

As for UK deliveries, sure, we even have a very talented distributor in the UK as well;

WEB: www.adept-is.com

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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6.
You know where to send a sample when ready for preorders!

@Lygren can't you just add a few more layers and turn it into a 1.3
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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
You know where to send a sample when ready for preorders!

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A greater than 1.0 gain dreamscreen would be the ultimate screen I think. I have the v6 and it is amazing, can't wait to see what the v7 will look like
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A greater than 1.0 gain dreamscreen would be the ultimate screen I think. I have the v6 and it is amazing, can't wait to see what the v7 will look like
If you think about gain like a volume knob; 1.0 is really 10 out of 10. Going beyond that, you are really pushing it Tesla style, like 11, 12 or even 20 off of 10 (with the distortion that comes along with pushing beyond the physical boundaries of the drivers...). In a reflection controlled environment, and with the intent to actually try to display the light that is outputted by the projector, going beyond 1.0 is really not what you want from a projection type of system. Beyond 1.0 it is really up to the projector to produce the light levels required, unless you are OK with the issues that occur going beyond that. Me, being a videophile since the good ol´ CRT times, and also seeing what OLED´s and LCD´s are able to produce in terms of image quality these days - really see no other option for projection than being able to push the current boundaries of light output - and not to mention contrast - if we are to move further. Using the volume knob to move beyond what the system really can´t handle is really not the solution per se - in my opinion that is...

So, some positive gain screens are certainly better than others, and please keep in mind that a number of negative gain screens produce sheen and other issues as well (not to mention the completely inflated gain levels provided by a number of the manufacturers), but still, a completely neutral screen is what a truly videophile system is best suited with. I remember Alan Gouger´s word of advice in our earlier discussions - the ultimate screen is the one that reflects whatever is projected on it - nothing more - nothing less. So, we´re still some 7% shy of that (ultimate) goal, but since we also need the screen to allow air (audio) to pass it, we will never - unless we void the mission of reflecting beyond what is actually projected - be able to surpass 1.0. That is the physical limitation of projection. I mean, I love to bend the laws of physics, in which I do believe the multiple layered system does to some degree - but trying to twist the laws I´d leave to the mages...

We might - at some point - do a positive gain system - and as such, trying to use the multiple layers to depress the results of doing so - but still; there will be consequences to some extent. Some might think these are acceptable, but in my mind I would rather want the projection guys to figure out their part of this challenge instead. Christie seems to have solved many of the challenges as such, but I still would say a JVC-based system, albeit a bit lower lumens than we´d prefer - is not a pain to watch as of now... Sure, we want more, and I am sure we will get it at some point too (and for the few fortunate they can actually obtain what seems to be the Holy Grail of video right now), but until then; I´d say that 9,3 off of what I consider a 10 is getting quite far - at least in terms of projection - and at the same time being audiotransparent.

TV´s and micro-LED´s certainly has some strong arguments going for them too, so it will be exiting to see how all of these different angles work out. Projection, at least in my mind, will not die off and become the new Nokia any time soon, although I would have to - to some extent at least - agree that projection tech as such has not seen the innovative boosts we did see in the past. We still need clever minds like those of Christie to think outside the box moving forward...
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I should probably also add that bending the laws might also include innovative thinking in the screens department to some extent as well - the "Ultimate Screen" being (an expensive) example, providing gain-levels of >2 and also getting rid of speckle by actuating the screen surface is a very impressive "out of the box" kind of thinking. They still have not solved some of the other challenges that arrives with increasing gain though, such as the reduced viewing cone - but still - those are indeed the kind of "bending solutions" that also the screen side of the equation can try to improve and innovate on. So - we´ll keep our minds clear as well and continue trying to think "innovatively" moving forward, by all means, albeit I would repeat my call to the projection side of things to improve on their end of the equation...
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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6.
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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6.


Wait ... I just got my V6 from you end of November 2019, was not aware a V7 was around the corner ..
Is there any swap/upgrade path?


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I have compared V7 with my V6 screen and you can clearly see that V7 is brighter. I plan on comparing the V7 to some of my other screen samples in the next few days. Can also confirm, no sparkle or shimmer with the new V7, just like the V6.
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Hey @Lygren , ive been trying to email DreamScreen without any reply even more than a week later.
I m in the process of building my new home theatre and really thinking of going with speakers behind the screen route. I m a big gamer and would like to know how would the V6 look with a desktop PC @4k resolution while gaming, would it look less sharp from a normal seating distance? I know its not an issue for 4k movies but most if not all movies arent really true 4k when comapred to PC games.
I m between the V6 and DT screen ATpop which is rated at 1.2gain but not sure if it compromises somewhere else.
Ur help would be greatly appreciated.
I m located in Lebanon / Middle east so getting samples is a little of a hassle.

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Hey @Lygren , ive been trying to email DreamScreen without any reply even more than a week later.
I m in the process of building my new home theatre and really thinking of going with speakers behind the screen route. I m a big gamer and would like to know how would the V6 look with a desktop PC @4k resolution while gaming, would it look less sharp from a normal seating distance? I know its not an issue for 4k movies but most if not all movies arent really true 4k when comapred to PC games.
I m between the V6 and DT screen ATpop which is rated at 1.2gain but not sure if it compromises somewhere else.
Ur help would be greatly appreciated.
I m located in Lebanon / Middle east so getting samples is a little of a hassle.

Thank you
Sorry about that @tnaik4 , perhaps your e-mail has ended up in our spam? Please try tosend to info @ dreamscreen .no and we´ll get right back to you.

As for sharpness, the UltraWeave is highly so. Sharpness in terms of desktop resolution also relies heavily on the projection tech used, and also the stability of the convergence on the unit you end up using. Any 3-chip solution in terms of desktop sharpness, relies heavily on the convergence, for example. DLP is normally a tad bit sharper on a desktop than a 3-chip D-ILA or SXRD, but those XPR DLP´s do not pixelmap perfectly either, and true native 4K DLP does have a rather high price tag at the moment. So, as for the screen, you should be good choosing a v6, while for the projection tech being applied you should probably make sure you have a return option for the unit being installed in case you are particularly unlucky with the unit you happen to receive.

As for a 1.2 gain rated AT screen, I would certainly have asked the manufacturer for a proper benchmarked gain reference. We benchmark our ratings to the Studiotek 100 (non-AT), it is certainly a lot of values going around that has little to no relevance in reality. Also, if it is indeed 1.2 gain, you should also look out for speckle and other artefacts that effectively reduces peak resolution. Not saying that is necessarily the case with the fabric you are considering though, but it would be a good idea to do some due diligence in my opinion. As for sharpness, our patented use of a ultra-fine, randomised woven front layer really has a clear edge over most (all the we have come across) knitted type of fabrics, but I would advice that you sample both and test if for yourself.

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Hey @Lygren , ive been trying to email DreamScreen without any reply even more than a week later.
I m in the process of building my new home theatre and really thinking of going with speakers behind the screen route. I m a big gamer and would like to know how would the V6 look with a desktop PC @4k resolution while gaming, would it look less sharp from a normal seating distance? I know its not an issue for 4k movies but most if not all movies arent really true 4k when comapred to PC games.
I m between the V6 and DT screen ATpop which is rated at 1.2gain but not sure if it compromises somewhere else.
Ur help would be greatly appreciated.
I m located in Lebanon / Middle east so getting samples is a little of a hassle.

Thank you
Sorry about that @tnaik4 , perhaps your e-mail has ended up in our spam? Please try tosend to info @ dreamscreen .no and we´ll get right back to you.

As for sharpness, the UltraWeave is highly so. Sharpness in terms of desktop resolution also relies heavily on the projection tech used, and also the stability of the convergence on the unit you end up using. Any 3-chip solution in terms of desktop sharpness, relies heavily on the convergence, for example. DLP is normally a tad bit sharper on a desktop than a 3-chip D-ILA or SXRD, but those XPR DLP´s do not pixelmap perfectly either, and true native 4K DLP does have a rather high price tag at the moment. So, as for the screen, you should be good choosing a v6, while for the projection tech being applied you should probably make sure you have a return option for the unit being installed in case you are particularly unlucky with the unit you happen to receive.

As for a 1.2 gain rated AT screen, I would certainly have asked the manufacturer for a proper benchmarked gain reference. We benchmark our ratings to the Studiotek 100 (non-AT), it is certainly a lot of values going around that has little to no relevance in reality. Also, if it is indeed 1.2 gain, you should also look out for speckle and other artefacts that effectively reduces peak resolution. Not saying that is necessarily the case with the fabric you are considering though, but it would be a good idea to do some due diligence in my opinion. As for sharpness, our patented use of a ultra-fine, randomised woven front layer really has a clear edge over most (all the we have come across) knitted type of fabrics, but I would advice that you sample both and test if for yourself.
Thanks for the helpful reply.

I do have 2 projectors , one is a high end DLP and one is JVC eshifters, i m asking about sharpness compared to normal screen material if it ll lose some that since its an AT screen, my DLP is a 5000lumens so no issue there but my JVC is 1800lumens and i use eco mode calonrated which knock it down to around 1000lumens, i m planning a complete bat cave and i really want rhe V6 , the only thing that is concerning me is the 0.7 gain , u say u benchmark it to studiotek st100 , so it is 70% the brightness of that screen ? M i thinking right ?
Also can u plz tell me how the image quality is compared to the st100 aside from sharpness.
I m intrigued by the V7 but i cant wait till the summer, my build will be finished in max of 2 months .
I will try to contact the email u suggested to ask about payment option and shipping.

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Thanks for the helpful reply.

I do have 2 projectors , one is a high end DLP and one is JVC eshifters, i m asking about sharpness compared to normal screen material if it ll lose some that since its an AT screen, my DLP is a 5000lumens so no issue there but my JVC is 1800lumens and i use eco mode calonrated which knock it down to around 1000lumens, i m planning a complete bat cave and i really want rhe V6 , the only thing that is concerning me is the 0.7 gain , u say u benchmark it to studiotek st100 , so it is 70% the brightness of that screen ? M i thinking right ?
Also can u plz tell me how the image quality is compared to the st100 aside from sharpness.
I m intrigued by the V7 but i cant wait till the summer, my build will be finished in max of 2 months .
I will try to contact the email u suggested to ask about payment option and shipping.

Thank you


The v6 has a gain rating of 0.8, not 0.7., meaning about 80% of what a Studiotek 100 reflects.


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As for the overall appearance of the v6 vs the Studiotek, the neutral D65 point of the v6 is within 98% of the ST100.


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