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DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT Screen

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Have a few questions!

1. Looking at the DreamScreen V6 UltraFrame, the smallest size you can get for a 2.35:1 frame is 130" according to the website. Will it be possible to make a 2.35:1 frame that is 8 ft (horizontally) wide? If so, will it be a custom job?

2. What options do I have for holding the DreamScreen V6 UltraFrame up? Poll stands? Is it possible to mount four rods at each corner of the frame and attached it to the front wall with enough space behind it for the LCR speakers? It will look like it is "hovering" in the air (i.e. no visible stands) when viewing straight on.

3. If I have a 2.35:1 8 ft horizontally wide DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen, can I sit 8 ft away from it? Would that be too close for a screen of that size?

4. How close can you sit from the DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen without being able to see the weave and other screen artifacts?
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Have a few questions!

1. Looking at the DreamScreen V6 UltraFrame, the smallest size you can get for a 2.35:1 frame is 130" according to the website. Will it be possible to make a 2.35:1 frame that is 8 ft (horizontally) wide? If so, will it be a custom job?

2. What options do I have for holding the DreamScreen V6 UltraFrame up? Poll stands? Is it possible to mount four rods at each corner of the frame and attached it to the front wall with enough space behind it for the LCR speakers? It will look like it is "hovering" in the air (i.e. no visible stands) when viewing straight on.

3. If I have a 2.35:1 8 ft horizontally wide DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen, can I sit 8 ft away from it? Would that be too close for a screen of that size?

4. How close can you sit from the DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen without being able to see the weave and other screen artifacts?
Hi @Kain !

1. The sizes from the webshop is indeed the stocked / produced ones, but any size could be custom made. The delivery time would depend on how your order corresponds with the next production run. Normally we do one major run every 4-6 months, and now, for example, we did a production 2 months ago and would probably do our next run in January 2017.

2. The included attachment profiles are for wall mounting. However, on the flip side of the screen, normally used for spacing the bottom section, there are two M3 machine screw holes. You can use these to attach hooks and fasten it to the ceiling. We might come up with a custom ceiling mount for a later date though, as we do understand some clients might not want to build the baffled wall and rather float is as is the case for you... Not sure when though.

3.-4. The weave is very very tight on the UltraWeave V6, this is really one of our major advantages and also one of the main reasons for the now patented technique we use; utilising several layers of reflective fabric, each with their own specific traits. The front layer, a superbly fine weaved one, is basically replicating the random coating of a regular (plastic, non-AT) screen, it is that fine. For my private cinema, I am seated about 9-10 feet away from my 11 feet screen, and the structure of the weave is really no issue at all, it is that fine. However, you need to take into account potential screen door from your projector though, I am using a JVC RS400 that boasts extremely tight pixels with almost no gap at all (93% fill rate I believe), but I guess this is not a screen related issue though...

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One more quick question...

If I have the V6 UltraWeave screen with the V6 UltraFrame, could I create a custom solution for floating the screen in front of the front wall by mounting it somehow to the front wall? Note, I won't have a baffle wall or anything. The speakers will be free-standing behind the screen.
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One more quick question...

If I have the V6 UltraWeave screen with the V6 UltraFrame, could I create a custom solution for floating the screen in front of the front wall by mounting it somehow to the front wall? Note, I won't have a baffle wall or anything. The speakers will be free-standing behind the screen.
Sure, you could just make a wooden extension attached in the wall and hook up the screen directly to that. However, you would need to also install a bottom extension that simply would "push" the frame into position as it might otherwise easily tilt somewhat being attached only at the top. I´m sure you´ll figure out a solution having the screen frame present though...
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3. If I have a 2.35:1 8 ft horizontally wide DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen, can I sit 8 ft away from it? Would that be too close for a screen of that size?

4. How close can you sit from the DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT screen without being able to see the weave and other screen artifacts?
I had been sitting at distance 1:1 with width of my 2.35 Falcon Vision HD screen (2.4x image height) and the size was very comfortable -- in fact I'm moving to a screen 1.2x width to distance (2.0x image height) which can be sometimes too immersive for some.

The Dreamscreen V6 material is my top choice for close viewing distances; see thread linked in my signature for more detailed opinion. I'm building my own screen and will be ordering the material once the frame and masking system is close to finished.
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I had been sitting at distance 1:1 with width of my 2.35 Falcon Vision HD screen (2.4x image height) and the size was very comfortable -- in fact I'm moving to a screen 1.2x width to distance (2.0x image height) which can be sometimes too immersive for some.

The Dreamscreen V6 material is my top choice for close viewing distances; see thread linked in my signature for more detailed opinion. I'm building my own screen and will be ordering the material once the frame and masking system is close to finished.
Glad to hear you like the V6 fabric, jjcook! I guess there are pros and cons with most screen solutions, and I will not try to tell people the V6 is the Holy Grail of screens, but I have to say we are very happy with the performance this fabric is able to provide in the typical "dedicated" cinema room and hopefully it will catch some speed in the US as well so that we can start providing various types of frames as well. Still, building a DIY frame is really a great solution, in Norway, where we´re from, a lot of our clients build their screens from ground up, ranging from motorised 4-way masking DIY systems (!!) to more basic wooden constructions. In any case, the rather flexible V6 fabric is well suited for these types of projects!
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I had been sitting at distance 1:1 with width of my 2.35 Falcon Vision HD screen (2.4x image height) and the size was very comfortable -- in fact I'm moving to a screen 1.2x width to distance (2.0x image height) which can be sometimes too immersive for some.

The Dreamscreen V6 material is my top choice for close viewing distances; see thread linked in my signature for more detailed opinion. I'm building my own screen and will be ordering the material once the frame and masking system is close to finished.
I have Falcon Vision Horizon screen material now and I am moving the V6 (keeping my current frame). I could not agree more on the V6 being excellent for sitting closer to the screen. I am 10 feet from 130" wide (2.35:1 AR) and despite the very tight weave on the Vision Horizon material, the V6 rises the bar significantly. Not only because the weave is virtually gone, but you don't see the "sparkles" and black backing greatly reduces light reaching behind the screen.
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How would the V6 compare to the Stewart StudioTek 100 micro-perf from a video/picture quality point-of-view?
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Personally, I think the microperf gives better picture quality but trades off some audio quality and cost. Also, many of the woven screens allow closer eating distances. Seating needs to be at least 10 feet away from a microperf before you stop noticing the perforations.
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What is the gain experience n the V6?

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Personally, I think the microperf gives better picture quality but trades off some audio quality and cost. Also, many of the woven screens allow closer eating distances. Seating needs to be at least 10 feet away from a microperf before you stop noticing the perforations.
For me, I disagree. I have never liked any of the microperfs that I have seen.
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For me, I disagree. I have never liked any of the microperfs that I have seen.
I was of the same opinion until I installed an RS500 in a forum member's dedicated theater recently. They had a microperf'd StudioTek 130 G3. It looked really good in my opinion. That said, the V6 material looks outstanding. Certainly was impressed seeing it at Cedia.
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I was of the same opinion until I installed an RS500 in a forum member's dedicated theater recently. They had a microperf'd StudioTek 130 G3. It looked really good in my opinion. That said, the V6 material looks outstanding. Certainly was impressed seeing it at Cedia.
How far away would you say you were sitting from the microperf'd StudioTek 130 G3? And, how far away were his speakers from the back of the screen? I've heard they need at least a foot.
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How far away would you say you were sitting from the microperf'd StudioTek 130 G3? And, how far away were his speakers from the back of the screen? I've heard they need at least a foot.
I should have taken some measurements. I think it was about a 135" diagonal 2.35:1 screen, and I was anywhere from 10' to 14' or 15' at various times. No clue about speaker distance from the screen.
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How does the bass from big 18" subs at reference level affect the picture? Should these drivers be on the side of the screen optimally?
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How does the bass from big 18" subs at reference level affect the picture? Should these drivers be on the side of the screen optimally?
I can answer for the UltraWeave V6 at least; I have never seen even the slightest movement on the fabric from huge drivers placed in the back of the screen (18 inch Alcons subs @ reference ++ for example). As the acoustical transparency of the V6 is very high as a cause of the multiple layered design, it basically functions as a regular front speaker fabric... By other words, as for the V6; should not be a concern!
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How does the bass from big 18" subs at reference level affect the picture? Should these drivers be on the side of the screen optimally?
Me personally, with the only exception being in the instance where there is insufficient width of room dimensions to accommodate, I would always install the subs into the front left and right corners either side of the screen anyway, because irrespective of the effect on the audio and the projected image by positioning the subs behind the screen (which if the screen material is decent AT should be negligible to entirely nonexistent as is the case with the V6 material), this will always yield superior audio performance by the subs due to being situated in the corners of the room, plus it produces cool-looking aesthetics to the extent that I even use specialist rectangular framing lighting to illuminate them when the projector is not in use, as shown in these illustrations for example... So why hide your awesome looking big 18" subs behind the screen when you can show them off in an 'In-Your-Face' design style! :






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I have ordered a large roll (4.5m x 2m) of the DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT Screen material, which we will be installing into an appropriate frame and then carrying out some fully comprehensive testing and evaluation exercises using multiple different makes and models of projectors.

The DreamScreen V6 UltraWeave AT Screen material is one of a very short short-list of AT materials that we will be evaluating.

I will be sure to feedback and post on here our findings.
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It seems like the biggest size you can get won't give you a 200 inch diagonal 16:9 screen. I wonder if they are going to make a bigger version soon?
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It seems like the biggest size you can get won't give you a 200 inch diagonal 16:9 screen. I wonder if they are going to make a bigger version soon?
We´re working on a "XL" version now with a height of about 118 inches. Should be available within Q1 2017 if everything moves according to plan...
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We´re working on a "XL" version now with a height of about 118 inches. Should be available within Q1 2017 if everything moves according to plan...
So, that would in fact give you up to 241 inch diagonal 16:9 screen coolgeek. Big enough?
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So, that would in fact give you up to 241 inch diagonal 16:9 screen coolgeek. Big enough?
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So why hide your awesome looking big 18" subs behind the screen when you can show them off in an 'In-Your-Face' design style! :
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Some of us prefer everything hidden so as not to distract from the presentation. All my equipment is in another room including the projector. LCR speakers are behind the screen and the eight 15" IB subs are under the shelf that holds the speakers... invisible. Just the screen and seats, man!
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Some of us prefer everything hidden so as not to distract from the presentation. All my equipment is in another room including the projector. LCR speakers are behind the screen and the eight 15" IB subs are under the shelf that holds the speakers... invisible. Just the screen and seats, man!
This is what I like... Speakers are invisible... The room is all everyone sees... I like to see the jaws dropping from my friends when they 'hear' the sound seemingly coming out of nowhere... They always ask, 'where are the speakers'...
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Sorry if I've missed this somewhere esle.....is the V6 only available as material/DIY, or is there a complete screen option?
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Sorry if I've missed this somewhere esle.....is the V6 only available as material/DIY, or is there a complete screen option?
As far as I know it's DIY. Building a screen isn't that hard. Some use this system: https://www.8020.net/

I just used wood, "L" brackets and black paint. Mine is 10 years old now.

EDIT: And I should also point out, mine is relatively large... a 10' wide 16:9.

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Frames are only available at dreamscreen.eu currently (for EU customers), but we are continously discussing if frames should be made available for US customers as well (via AVScience.com). However, if you really don't fancy the idea of either retrofitting your existing frame or DIY, please contact AVScience.com for a quote on any frame from DreamScreen.eu and we will certainly work with AVS in finding you a best possible price for the preferred frame! Motorised masking frames will be made available throught Q1 2017 by the way...


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